Do you think that America is winning the war in Afganahstan?

Tell me what there is to win. Now look at what we stand to lose.

What "war"? Not only is the US, and other NATO countries losing in Afghanistan, but it is impossible to "win" against terrorism.

I'm starting to have my doubts about Afghanistan. I thought the argument for staying there was good, but now what they're saying is that there are no insurgents in Afghanistan and they have all moved to Pakistan, which is exactly what we heard about Afghanistan after we went to Iraq. I'm just really starting to wonder if this isn't turning into war for the sake of war, and if we wouldn't be doing more to curb terrorism by just pulling out altogether, perhaps then we wouldn't be seen so much as foreign invaders.

Tell me what there is to win. Now look at what we stand to lose.

xXBuffJeffXx

Well, the initial goal was to capture Bin Laden, which is something I doubt will be accomplished soon. So in the meantime, it does feel like a war without any ultimate goals as some people already said that terrorism cannot be entirely beaten.

How the hell do you measure it and decide when its won? biggest_loser

Depends on what we are fighting for. If the war only has to do with disrupting and ultimately defeating Al Qaeda in the region, then we are winning. If we are fighting for a sustainable, democratic Afghan government, then no, we are not winning, although that doesn't mean it can't be won. -Sun_Tzu-

Well, does that mean we're endlessly going to be chasing Al-Queda around the region? If we're spending money and lives chasing them for an infinite amount of time are we really winning?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Depends on what we are fighting for. If the war only has to do with disrupting and ultimately defeating Al Qaeda in the region, then we are winning. If we are fighting for a sustainable, democratic Afghan government, then no, we are not winning, although that doesn't mean it can't be won. theone86

Well, does that mean we're endlessly going to be chasing Al-Queda around the region? If we're spending money and lives chasing them for an infinite amount of time are we really winning?

Fighting Al Qaeda and any other absurd, backwards organization that sees itself at war with civilization doesn't have to be expensive, it's just that right now we are fighting it in an expensive manner because we are doing much more than merely fighting Al Qaeda.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]How the hell do you measure it and decide when its won? duxup

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I think we're winning the war on Terror. It can never Truly be won though. There will always be another Al Qaeda.

rawr_xd

Please tell me you're joking... ? You should move elsewhere if that is your view on the U.S. We may not be the best country in the world in terms of a lot of scattered things, but we are not terrorists. You should be ashamed of yourself.

War does not decide who is right, only who is left.

No one ever wins in war, it always results with alot of resources and lives lost on both sides, and nothing practical gained.

DoomZaW

its not a war. war would require us fighting a nation's army, that we are not doing. its counter insurgency. it can never be won. the fact that we are there in the first place means that we are loosing. loosing lives ( both of our own troops and any civilian casualties) , resources and money.

short answer: we are loosing everything and winning nothing.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rawr_xd"] We aren't winning the war on terror.. We are the terrorists.EMOEVOLUTION

Please tell me you're joking... ? You should move elsewhere if that is your view on the U.S. We may not be the best country in the world in terms of a lot of scattered things, but we are not terrorists. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Yeah, I mean they'd be so much better off if we'd just let the Taliban fire rockets into schools just because they were teaching little girls other things besides the Koran and homemaking.

For every home built there is US pilot who rather than return his payload to base drops it on first thing he sees

for every act of kindness from US troops there is an idiot who shoots first asks questions latter

for every American life lost 10 taliban lives are lost but also tens of civilian lives

sadly US generals dont understand that this is not conventional war

US Army is fighting against guerrilla using tactics designed to counter Russian or Chinese Attack

So are you winning no not really ,in all honesty you are getting your ass kicked by ppl who never lost to anybody in their history

and as long as you think that good ol US of A cant do no wrong this war will be reality of poor Americans

pecanin

Uhhh...you have no clue. Please, just stop.

[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

No one ever wins in war, it always results with alot of resources and lives lost on both sides, and nothing practical gained.

Asim90

Listen to this guy

Tell that to the survivors of the Holocaust and WWII...

I think that it's pretty much even right now. :|

supergamer514

How does one win the war against Terror, when Was itself creates terror?

I wonder when the Russian Ultranationalist Party will be founded... :)

[QUOTE="supergamer514"]

I think that it's pretty much even right now. :|

You're so wrong. Here's the thing... nothing is happening there. People are dying, and dying, and dying... yet nothing is getting done. The United States has lost approxamately 12,000 soldiers, while Afghansitan has lost close to 90,000 fghters. We are tearing them to shreds, but still nothing is getting done.

you would have to great a nation where islam is very opresed to stop it . YOu would need to take away there right and treat them poorly

I say this, pull out

Let the Middle East handle its self

They either kill each other, or they wise up before the all die, this was no one else can say anyone else killed them.

Or let Russia go in there and do em in.

Or let Russia go in there and do em in.

DazedDarkness

America will never 'win' the war in Afghanistan.. it is up to Afghan people to end the Taliban. But America is helping them greatly yes, and keeping pressure on the Taliban.

I say this, pull out

Let the Middle East handle its self

They either kill each other, or they wise up before the all die, this was no one else can say anyone else killed them.

Or let Russia go in there and do em in.

DazedDarkness

[QUOTE="DazedDarkness"]

I say this, pull out

Let the Middle East handle its self

They either kill each other, or they wise up before the all die, this was no one else can say anyone else killed them.

Or let Russia go in there and do em in.

Doctor-McNinja

We'll never win as long as our guys have politically correct rules of engagement.

For every home built there is US pilot who rather than return his payload to base drops it on first thing he sees

for every act of kindness from US troops there is an idiot who shoots first asks questions latter

for every American life lost 10 taliban lives are lost but also tens of civilian lives

sadly US generals dont understand that this is not conventional war

US Army is fighting against guerrilla using tactics designed to counter Russian or Chinese Attack

So are you winning no not really ,in all honesty you are getting your ass kicked by ppl who never lost to anybody in their history

and as long as you think that good ol US of A cant do no wrong this war will be reality of poor Americans

nothing practical gained.

DoomZaW

Dan Rather went to Afghanistan and reported, and was on the daily show yesterday. It was very surprising when he said there is barely any true Taliban left in Afghanistan. Instead, they fled to Pakistan. They just cross the border and go back.

About 30,000 more troops are heading over there. I highly doubt we are winning this war at the moment.

No one ever wins in war, it always results with alot of resources and lives lost on both sides, and nothing practical gained.

DoomZaW

last i saw, Taliban controls over 80% of Afghanistan. Some say, "When the general asks for more men, that means he is losing the war".

last i saw, Taliban controls over 80% of Afghanistan. Some say, "When the general asks for more men, that means he is losing the war".

mixedplanet

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]

last i saw, Taliban controls over 80% of Afghanistan. Some say, "When the general asks for more men, that means he is losing the war".

aransom

[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

No one ever wins in war, it always results with alot of resources and lives lost on both sides, and nothing practical gained.

dsmccracken

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]

last i saw, Taliban controls over 80% of Afghanistan. Some say, "When the general asks for more men, that means he is losing the war".

aransom