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#1 RobboElRobbo
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...froze water so far that you found another state? Like, something past solid. We had an argument about this in science yesterday but no conclusion occured. :|

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#2 Dariency
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I don't see how. It would just remain a solid as long as it stays cold enough.

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#3 tsduv21
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I don't see how. It would just remain a solid as long as it stays cold enough.

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Yep.

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#4 RAMRODtheMASTER
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The colder something gets there is less movement in the matter that it's made of. Ultimately you would still end up with a solid.
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Little rusty on my physics/chemistry, but aren't phases dictated by the speed of the particles in the object? How do you slow down something once it's not moving (at absolute zero, assuming we could reach it)?

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#6 narutoisapirate
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not sure..

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Little rusty on my physics/chemistry, but aren't phases dictated by the speed of the particles in the object? How do you slow down something once it's not moving (at absolute zero, assuming we could reach it).Dark__Link

Haha, but what if you froze them past absolute zero and the particles started going backwards? Answer that one. :lol:

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#8 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]Little rusty on my physics/chemistry, but aren't phases dictated by the speed of the particles in the object? How do you slow down something once it's not moving (at absolute zero, assuming we could reach it).RobboElRobbo

Haha, but what if you froze them past absolute zero and the particles started going backwards? Answer that one. :lol:

God would come down to Earth and slap you upside the head..
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]Little rusty on my physics/chemistry, but aren't phases dictated by the speed of the particles in the object? How do you slow down something once it's not moving (at absolute zero, assuming we could reach it).RobboElRobbo

Haha, but what if you froze them past absolute zero and the particles started going backwards? Answer that one. :lol:

but they don't.
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]Little rusty on my physics/chemistry, but aren't phases dictated by the speed of the particles in the object? How do you slow down something once it's not moving (at absolute zero, assuming we could reach it).RobboElRobbo

Haha, but what if you froze them past absolute zero and the particles started going backwards? Answer that one. :lol:

That's not possible because once you hit 0Kelvin you can't go any lower. It stays at zero

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#11 RobboElRobbo
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[QUOTE="RobboElRobbo"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]Little rusty on my physics/chemistry, but aren't phases dictated by the speed of the particles in the object? How do you slow down something once it's not moving (at absolute zero, assuming we could reach it).GenTom

Haha, but what if you froze them past absolute zero and the particles started going backwards? Answer that one. :lol:

but they don't.

I was only kidding. :|

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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]Little rusty on my physics/chemistry, but aren't phases dictated by the speed of the particles in the object? How do you slow down something once it's not moving (at absolute zero, assuming we could reach it).RobboElRobbo

Haha, but what if you froze them past absolute zero and the particles started going backwards? Answer that one. :lol:

If I remember correctly there is no way to be colder than Absolute Zero. All atomic movement ceases.
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Your best chance to find a new "state of matter" would be to heat something to death, not freeze something to death.. But even then, I doubt it.

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#14 akbar13
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No but you can get things to be solid that wouldnt normally be solid or you wouldnt normally thing of being solid. Like solid methane or solid argon.

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isn't that Bose Einstein state?
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isn't that Bose Einstein state?DyThanatos
That's what I thought too. Since we've never reached it though, it would be interesting to see what would happen if we could get colder than that...
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#17 DyThanatos
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[QUOTE="DyThanatos"]isn't that Bose Einstein state?cowplayinghalo
That's what I thought too. Since we've never reached it though, it would be interesting to see what would happen if we could get colder than that...

is it even possible?
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#18 my_mortal_coil
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Freeze something to 0 Kelvin, then have a woman give it hard icy stares and the cold shoulder ... only way to get it colder.

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#19 cowplayinghalo
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[QUOTE="cowplayinghalo"][QUOTE="DyThanatos"]isn't that Bose Einstein state?DyThanatos
That's what I thought too. Since we've never reached it though, it would be interesting to see what would happen if we could get colder than that...

is it even possible?

I don't know. We've never even gotten to 0K :P
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#20 DyThanatos
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[QUOTE="cowplayinghalo"][QUOTE="DyThanatos"][QUOTE="cowplayinghalo"] That's what I thought too. Since we've never reached it though, it would be interesting to see what would happen if we could get colder than that...

is it even possible?

I don't know. We've never even gotten to 0K :P

does -1k exist?
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[QUOTE="cowplayinghalo"][QUOTE="DyThanatos"][QUOTE="cowplayinghalo"] That's what I thought too. Since we've never reached it though, it would be interesting to see what would happen if we could get colder than that...

is it even possible?

I don't know. We've never even gotten to 0K :P

If I remember right space doesn't even reach 0K. The background radiation keeps it around at least 3K.
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[QUOTE="cowplayinghalo"][QUOTE="DyThanatos"] is it even possible?DyThanatos
I don't know. We've never even gotten to 0K :P

does -1k exist?

I don't think so, because at 0K, particles stop moving entirely.

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#23 DyThanatos
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so it is like 0k - too difficult to get there -1k - doesn't exist? is it possible to discover a 6th state knowing this or we will stuck with 4 states and 1 that's difficult to verify its existence?
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#24 cpo335
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If you do manage to get a temperature lower than 0K, then it is equivalent to dividing by 0 (zero). The universe would implode, then explode, and then implode again. Only God knows what events will occur after that point, but it is known that all time will cease to exist indefinitely.
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#25 tsduv21
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If you do manage to get a temperature lower than 0K, then it is equivalent to dividing by 0 (zero). The universe would implode, then explode, and then implode again. Only God knows what events will occur after that point, but it is known that all time will cease to exist indefinitely.cpo335
:lol: What?
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#26 DyThanatos
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If you do manage to get a temperature lower than 0K, then it is equivalent to dividing by 0 (zero). The universe would implode, then explode, and then implode again. Only God knows what events will occur after that point, but it is known that all time will cease to exist indefinitely.cpo335
that means if it reaches to -1k it would be possible to destroy matter?