Do you think the college system is seriously flawed??

In other words, college offers you the opportunity to get a higher-paying job so that may spend more money and put more money back into the pockets of the wealthy upper-class.That's really all it boils down to. I fail to see the logic in spending a total of $60,000 dollars to get that "special-dream job" that I've wanted all my life, only to make $30,000 a year. Even if I make $200,000 a year, what does that matter? Money, money, money, that's not where happiness comes from, and I don't need a good degree and a high-paying job to bring me happiness. All I need is a decent paying job, which you can get even without a degree, and good people to spend my time with.

VoodooGamer

If you are in the right place then that 30,000 dollars is only a temporary first year thing. Persistence will get you better positions and higher paychecks as the years pass by. And 30,000 dollars in a first year for people in general is certainly not set in stone. As soon as my brother in law got out of University his first job is paying him $50,000 in the IT industry. Which just so happens to be my degree so yay me(I think). Also on another note, while there is the case of people who don`t need money to derive happiness from, the general case is that people will actually be more happy the more money they have since they can afford more things. While I can`t cite the study on the top of my head, i`ll just tell you that i learned it in one my university classes and that there was actually a study that actually mentioned that.

Also on the note of money going into the pockets of the wealthy upper class. Sure they may get more money, but that money will also likely end up either in the hands of other classes or the government. Money flows and circulates from class to class in general(mind you, not so much in this depression).

Yes, its flawed. Almost everything about it is in error. It bothers me that the people who graduated high school with me and cheated their way through and are now in some of the best schools taking some of the easiest majors. Tuition is impossible and the loan process is horrible. There are serious quality issues as well, I've had too many terrible professors and my friends have too.

1. The tuition is outrageous. Absolutely, unforgivably outrageous. Did you guys know that going to Oxford for a year costs around the equivalent of 10-12 thousand dollars a year for a British kid and about 30,000 a year for an overseas student? Yeah. Now how much does Yale and Harvard (Comparative schools) cost again? Ridiculous.Paladin_King

Here in Canada, I believe the norm to be some where around 5-7k a year Canadian. Ridiculously generous in comparision to you guys for sure considering that i can make a good chunk of that money solely through summer work. People here however will still whine about how the price tag is way too high. To add something else thats interesting: In Germany, I think they used to pay only 500 euro(is that the currency in Germany) per semester. Now its $1000 per semester.

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]

In other words, college offers you the opportunity to get a higher-paying job so that may spend more money and put more money back into the pockets of the wealthy upper-class.That's really all it boils down to. I fail to see the logic in spending a total of $60,000 dollars to get that "special-dream job" that I've wanted all my life, only to make $30,000 a year. Even if I make $200,000 a year, what does that matter? Money, money, money, that's not where happiness comes from, and I don't need a good degree and a high-paying job to bring me happiness. All I need is a decent paying job, which you can get even without a degree, and good people to spend my time with.

doanm

If you are in the right place then that 30,000 dollars is only a temporary first year thing. Persistence will get you better positions and higher paychecks as the years pass by. And 30,000 dollars in a first year for people in general is certainly not set in stone. As soon as my brother in law got out of University his first job is paying him $50,000 in the IT industry. Which just so happens to be my degree so yay me(I think). Also on another note, while there is the case of people who don`t need money to derive happiness from, the general case is that people will actually be more happy the more money they have since they can afford more things. While I can`t cite the study on the top of my head, i`ll just tell you that i learned it in one my university classes and that there was actually a study that actually mentioned that.

Also on the note of money going into the pockets of the wealthy upper class. Sure they may get more money, but that money will also likely end up either in the hands of other classes or the government. Money flows and circulates from class to class in general(mind you, not so much in this depression).

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"]1. The tuition is outrageous. Absolutely, unforgivably outrageous. Did you guys know that going to Oxford for a year costs around the equivalent of 10-12 thousand dollars a year for a British kid and about 30,000 a year for an overseas student? Yeah. Now how much does Yale and Harvard (Comparative schools) cost again? Ridiculous.doanm

Here in Canada, I believe the norm to be some where around 5-7k a year Canadian. Ridiculously generous in comparision to you guys for sure considering that i can make a good chunk of that money solely through summer work. People here however will still whine about how the price tag is way too high. To add something else thats interesting: In Germany, I think they used to pay only 500 euro(is that the currency in Germany) per semester. Now its $1000 per semester.

I hate buying books cause they cost soooo much, you don't get much for selling them back, and if you wait like a year there will be a new edition out so you can't even sell it.

I think the whole educational system is flawed. >_>

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Where're you at?thepwninator

Stanford was my second choice after Caltech. I'm of the opinion that, overall, it's the best university in the US (I think the Ivies are overrated, myself).

[QUOTE="thepwninator"]

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"] The big orange "S" doesn't give it away? :( Oh, and I checked, it's $50,700. :(Dark__Link

Stanford was my second choice after Caltech. I'm of the opinion that, overall, it's the best university in the US (I think the Ivies are overrated, myself).

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Didn't even look at your avatar :P

Stanford was my second choice after Caltech. I'm of the opinion that, overall, it's the best university in the US (I think the Ivies are overrated, myself).

thepwninator

Yeah. flawed or fraud? There's absolutely no reason for a textbook tha is 150 pages long, a paperback, and on a subject nobody cares about to be over $100. Can you say rip off? Also, why the extra charges for people that are out of state? What does it matter where they live, so long as they want to better educate themselves just as much as the person paying less money for living in state.

Yeah. flawed or fraud? There's absolutely no reason for a textbook tha is 150 pages long, a paperback, and on a subject nobody cares about to be over $100. Can you say rip off?

Mr_Oblivio

To be fair though, its also the quality of the information that matters to which is factored into the cost of the book. It does cost money to have a guy compile a bunch of complex knowledge into something coherent for the layperson to understand after all.(Not always the case with science books though) .

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"] Stanford?! It's orange, not red! And I don't see a tree!Dark__Link

[QUOTE="Mr_Oblivio"]

Yeah. flawed or fraud? There's absolutely no reason for a textbook tha is 150 pages long, a paperback, and on a subject nobody cares about to be over $100. Can you say rip off?

doanm

To be fair though, its also the quality of the information that matters to which is factored into the cost of the book. It does cost money to have a guy compile a bunch of complex knowledge into something coherent for the layperson to understand after all.(Not always the case with science books though) .

Still, it doesn't help us to have to pay $300-$??? for books per semester when we're alreadyin debt thousands.

Aren't I glad I live in Scotland. Free tuition paid by the English tuition fee payers ftw. Bit unfair but I'm not one not to take full advantage of it (unless I manage to get into Cambridge, which I doubt will happen unless over the next couple of years, I become more involved in extra-curricural activities.)AnObscureName

I know a student at my college from scotland, under the circumstances you just state though, why the hell did he come to the U.S. for higher education?