Do you think there's some truth about what Adolf H. believed?

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#51 brickdoctor
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I don't agree with him but I will admit that he was a very intelligent leader and it's the Allies' fault that he ever got the opprotunity to cease power in the first place.

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#52 redstorm119
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hitler made germany powerful by turning it into a war machine....thats not something to be proud of. and no. were human. if its not colour or race or origin then itll be something else we fight over. pretty land....shiny things, the shape of someones face, their size, eye colour, wealth, sexual orientation, political standpoint, someones shoes. you name it..we will fight over it. crimes and wars and such like dont happen because there are different types of people....wars and such like happen because there are enough *BEEP*ers in the world to make it happen. the current excuses we have are just that...excuses. humans are good at coming up with those.osan0

Hitler made Germany powerful by uniting them with persuausion. So yes that is something to be proud of. If we could unit all of America with a speaker wouldn't you want that? He just took it too far that's why he failed otherwise strictly from a historical perspective he was a great leader.

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#53 branketra
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Are you basing your argument of the belief that the cons of racial diversity outweigh the pros? If you are, I have to disagree. Not one race alone has succeeded without the help of other, even if indirectly. Of course, who's to say what would happen if Hitler had won? What would be the next step? No adults under 5 feet tall? No one who fails a certain field of education may live? From my viewpoint, Hitler's ideology was flawed.
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#54 Former_Slacker
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Fighting over beliefs already exists.

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Exactly.

The question though was would one race make the world "a better place". If it would alleviate most if not all racism, it could be argued that it would. I'm in no way defending the beliefs but to the TC's question, it could be possible.

It would not. The Irish and Italians who immigrated to the US were depicted as subhuman and kept separate from the "superior" decedents of the british and german settlers. The concept of a unified "white race" did not emerge until WW2 due to the need to stem racial conflicts between white troops from interfering with the war effort.

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#55 Former_Slacker
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The only way to achieve what you want would be to make everyone a clone of everyone else.

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#56 Former_Slacker
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]No, but we would be better without religion.Drakes_Fortune

I fail to see how so.

There wouldnt be so many wars. There has been more wars in name of religion than anything else. Just look at Middle East nowadays.

We United Atheist Otters take great offense to your comparison of us to the Unified Atheist Coalition.

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#57 Maniacc1
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Wouldn't solve anything. Who's to say height won't be the new skin color? ;)
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#58 EJ902
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No, race is just one of many differences between people. No two people are equal, if you eliminate the concept of race by ensuring that only one race exists, people will just pick some other difference to unify and divide themselves over.
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Its hard not to imagine all your posts to a Jack Nicholson voicespazzx625
Good. I want you to picture Jack saying everything I type and looking exactly how he looks in my sig.

HAHAH YES thats so awesome. I'm doing right now. YEESS!!!
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#60 SCV3
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[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I fail to see how so.

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There wouldnt be so many wars. There has been more wars in name of religion than anything else. Just look at Middle East nowadays.

Do you have a statistic for that? I believe more wars are fought over land/resources than anything else, historically.

I guess his statement is saying that people have done bad things in the name of god.

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#61 poptart
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Well if the whole world were Caucasian then we'd find other excuses to subjugate. There'd be slums full of suppressed ginger haired folk for starters (until one Rosa MacPark has the audacity to stay on her bus seat). Actually it would be fairly dull if we all batted for the same team. I'm pretty sure the problem doesn't lie with diversity itself, rather our capacity to process it without assuming some kind negative stereotype. I'm sure with a little help from the media and education we're able to overcome that.

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#62 Reach-The-Myth
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"]Absolutely not. If we weren't fighting over the color of our skin it would be for something else, i.e. beliefs.

True
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#64 Pythos77
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Races are different in many ways not just aestheticly and culturally, and ethnicaly. There are documented differences like predisposition to certain diseases, thats leads me to wonder what a true master race would look like. Suppose someone started slectively breeding people (like what is done to dogs) to breed out unwanted characteristics of a certain race and breed in desireable characteristics of another. I had an anthropology proffesor who used to talk about a cosmic race, This would be in a few thousand years when racial integration will supposedly be socomplete and the "pure" races would be extintc or just be bred out (or something like that).

Anyways continuing with the little breeding experiment, It would be interesting to see the end result, results.

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#65 darkmoney52
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Nope. Once the big obvious differences between people are gone we'll just pick apart the smaller differences and make a bigger deal of them.

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#66 chrisrooR
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No, because the opposite of diversity is monoculture, and monocultures are weak. Genetic difference is an amazing thing.
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#67 darkmoney52
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[QUOTE="osan0"]hitler made germany powerful by turning it into a war machine....thats not something to be proud of. and no. were human. if its not colour or race or origin then itll be something else we fight over. pretty land....shiny things, the shape of someones face, their size, eye colour, wealth, sexual orientation, political standpoint, someones shoes. you name it..we will fight over it. crimes and wars and such like dont happen because there are different types of people....wars and such like happen because there are enough *BEEP*ers in the world to make it happen. the current excuses we have are just that...excuses. humans are good at coming up with those.redstorm119

Hitler made Germany powerful by uniting them with persuausion. So yes that is something to be proud of. If we could unit all of America with a speaker wouldn't you want that? He just took it too far that's why he failed otherwise strictly from a historical perspective he was a great leader.

Well sorta. He united the majority of his people against aminority amongthem, and against basically the rest of the world. His persuasion was hateful and nothing to be proud of. From a historical perspective, his arrogance led him to a number of huge, idiotic mistakes that lost the war.

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#68 Strormbringer
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People only remember Hitler for hating Jews and his rascist comments... What about the recovery of the Economy in the '20s. He was a voice for the German People.
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#69 deactivated-59d151f079814
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.. I don't think he ever preached the entire world being one race, afterall.. He was allied with Japan and Italy.. Furthermore he didn't just target ethnicities within the area, he also targeted people who spoke out against him as well as the mentally and physically disabled..
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#70 Chopinist
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]No, but we would be better without religion.Drakes_Fortune

I fail to see how so.

There wouldnt be so many wars. There has been more wars in name of religion than anything else. Just look at Middle East nowadays.

Without religionS or a specific religion? emphasis on the singular nature of the world religion) If Islam never existed, there would be pretty much no wars. 6 years after their prophet died, his armies invaded adn took over Jerusalem, Spain, and for the past 1300, have non stop attacked Europe, North Africa and this continues.... not saying that muslims are evil or must be eliminated, that's just sick, but imagine if they were all athiest or something for the past 1300 years.... they would have just stuck to themselves. Look at Sudan. The non-muslims are killed and persecuted daily, thus they want to split in half where muslims have on ehalf, and the others the other half....

and that returns to the original question. No, those weren't Hitlers intentions but that is neccesary sometimes... one word. Yugoslavia.

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#71 coolbeans90
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To some extent, I think if people had the same general features, that the problems caused by racial tensions would be mitigated. Of course some of it may be replaced by other forms of hatred, but not entirely, and those already exist anyway. (xenophobia etc.)

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[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I fail to see how so.

Chopinist

There wouldnt be so many wars. There has been more wars in name of religion than anything else. Just look at Middle East nowadays.

Without religionS or a specific religion? emphasis on the singular nature of the world religion) If Islam never existed, there would be pretty much no wars. 6 years after their prophet died, his armies invaded adn took over Jerusalem, Spain, and for the past 1300, have non stop attacked Europe, North Africa and this continues.... not saying that muslims are evil or must be eliminated, that's just sick, but imagine if they were all athiest or something for the past 1300 years.... they would have just stuck to themselves. Look at Sudan. The non-muslims are killed and persecuted daily, thus they want to split in half where muslims have on ehalf, and the others the other half....

and that returns to the original question. No, those weren't Hitlers intentions but that is neccesary sometimes... one word. Yugoslavia.

Uhhh no... If we look at Pagens before Christianity or Islam, you will see numerous conquests.. Religion historically is more the VEHICLE of a rulers ambition in conquest than anything else.

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#73 PernicioEnigma
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If Hitler did what he did because he believed it would make the world a better place, can we really accuse him of being pure evil?
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#74 PernicioEnigma
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People only remember Hitler for hating Jews and his rascist comments... What about the recovery of the Economy in the '20s. He was a voice for the German People.Strormbringer
People don't remember him for hating Jews and racist comments, they remember him for murdering up to 6 million people. That kinda thing generally overshadows any good.
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#75 Tangmashi
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I wonder how many wars were fought just for the lulz.

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#76 GazaAli
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I like the US because of its nature. The US has many kinds of "Americans" and you guys seem to handle multiculturalism way better than Europe.
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#77 tenaka2
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Hitler believed that if the world was just one race it would be a better place. There's no doubt that he's a horrible person, he's responsible for a war and the murders of millions of people. Some good things he has done was bring a country devasted from WW1 back on it's foot and made it a super power by WW2. Do you think if America was one race it would be a better place? I know people are people but I mean one race as in like 1 skin color or 1 ethnicity. There are hundreds of thousands of hate crimes in America annually, people experience prejudice and racism, there are racial disparities of people in prison and in poverty. So if America was all white or all asian or all black do you think it would be a better place to live in? There would be a lot less hate crimes, a lot less of the "i'm suing him for racism" type of thing, and less hatred, what you think?

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#78 tenaka2
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I like the US because of its nature. The US has many kinds of "Americans" and you guys seem to handle multiculturalism way better than Europe.GazaAli
I think you have a misinformed view. Where in Europe are you?
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i thought this was going to be a thread about how cool dogs are/were/will be, i am disapoint
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#80 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I like the US because of its nature. The US has many kinds of "Americans" and you guys seem to handle multiculturalism way better than Europe.tenaka2
I think you have a misinformed view. Where in Europe are you?

I'm not in Europe, I live in Gaza in the middle east. But I always hear people from Norway, Germany for examples express their fear of Sharia and all that jazz. Americans seem more confident about their country.
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#81 mywalletsgone
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Yes. One race would strengthen and unify mankind to look out for our noble brothers and eliminate the breeding of emnity!! =D

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#82 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I like the US because of its nature. The US has many kinds of "Americans" and you guys seem to handle multiculturalism way better than Europe.GazaAli
I think you have a misinformed view. Where in Europe are you?

I'm not in Europe, I live in Gaza in the middle east. But I always hear people from Norway, Germany for examples express their fear of Sharia and all that jazz. Americans seem more confident about their country.

I don't have much experience of continental europe but the UK is pretty good for that kind of thing, better then the US imo.
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#83 Cumtifier
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Hitler was full of good intentions. So was Mao Zedong, Ghandi, Stalin, Nelson Mandela, and the pusher who sells drugs in my street. No one is born bad, people always have good intentions, whether it works or not.
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#84 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="tenaka2"] I think you have a misinformed view. Where in Europe are you?tenaka2
I'm not in Europe, I live in Gaza in the middle east. But I always hear people from Norway, Germany for examples express their fear of Sharia and all that jazz. Americans seem more confident about their country.

I don't have much experience of continental europe but the UK is pretty good for that kind of thing, better then the US imo.

The UK is indeed better. But there are part of Europe with this kind of paranoia.
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#85 mywalletsgone
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I like the US because of its nature. The US has many kinds of "Americans" and you guys seem to handle multiculturalism way better than Europe.GazaAli
I think you have a misinformed view. Where in Europe are you?

I'm not in Europe, I live in Gaza in the middle east. But I always hear people from Norway, Germany for examples express their fear of Sharia and all that jazz. Americans seem more confident about their country.

And so they should. A good portion of muslims in those countries would like to see Sharia Law implemented. Why should those countries bring in a code that has nothing to do with it's culture?