Do you think this is racism?

My roommate and I live in an apartment complex, a very very noisy apartment complex that we will both be leaving soon.

The noise comes from the black people in the apartment, this isn't being contested. It's the screaming and yelling throughout the night, and there is always someone playing music loud enough for you to hear it in your room.

The issue is, my roommate says he never wants to live in a majority black apartment complex again, which this is.

I view it as lets do a little more research next time we pick a place to live.

He argument is - "It's the black people that are making the noise, this isn't racist, it's just a fact. This is my fifth apartment, I've never had a problem with noise like this before. I agree we should do more research next time, but i still stand by my statement that i don't want to live in a complex where a large amount of black people live."

I've never heard him or seen him do anything racist before, until this, which i question whether or not is racism. I'm not sure about it, what do you guys think?

That isn't a racist comment. He has made a prejudice decision that any complex with a large black community lives will be noisy, but it isn't showing any hate towards the black community in general, just the ones who were making the noise.Makaveli527

It's making the assumption that black people are inherently prone to engage in activities which makes living near them intolerable.

That is most certainly racism.

Naw, it's ignorance at worst. If during his experiences, the majority of his neighbors being intolerably noisey are black, that's a natural conclusion to come to. JustPlainLucas

"He never had a problem with noise before".

That means that this is the first apartment he lived in where noise was a problem.

Now, about black people. Either he has lived in apartment complexes that were majority black, or he hasn't.

If he has, then being black isn;t the problem since PREVIOUS black people didn't give him the same problem.

And if he hasn't, then he's judging all black people based on one experience. That'd be like dating a black chick who turned out to be a *****, and then saying "man, I'm never dating a black chick ever again. Black chicks are total *****es." One single occurence isn't a very large ample size, that's why experiments have to be repeatable.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Naw, it's ignorance at worst. If during his experiences, the majority of his neighbors being intolerably noisey are black, that's a natural conclusion to come to. MrGeezer

"He never had a problem with noise before".

That means that this is the first apartment he lived in where noise was a problem.

Now, about black people. Either he has lived in apartment complexes that were majority black, or he hasn't.

If he has, then being black isn;t the problem since PREVIOUS black people didn't give him the same problem.

And if he hasn't, then he's judging all black people based on one experience. That'd be like dating a black chick who turned out to be a *****, and then saying "man, I'm never dating a black chick ever again. Black chicks are total *****es." One single occurence isn't a very large ample size, that's why experiments have to be repeatable.

For clarification - this is the first majority black apartment. The previous ones only had a few black residents scattered throughout.

His last apartment was next to an apartment with four black guys, every friday night they would stay up until 4-5 am having small parties, nothing big, but they had music on constantly and could be heard anywhere in his apartment. After a couple weeks of asking them to turn it off, him and his roommate started staying at my place on fridays.

He's also had a black roommate before, again had problem with music, this time waking him up in the morning though i think.

And one more thing, he told his girlfriend this a few minutes ago. She started crying, saying it hurts her that he's a racist =x

A little overblown i think.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Naw, it's ignorance at worst. If during his experiences, the majority of his neighbors being intolerably noisey are black, that's a natural conclusion to come to. confusedabouti

"He never had a problem with noise before".

That means that this is the first apartment he lived in where noise was a problem.

Now, about black people. Either he has lived in apartment complexes that were majority black, or he hasn't.

If he has, then being black isn;t the problem since PREVIOUS black people didn't give him the same problem.

And if he hasn't, then he's judging all black people based on one experience. That'd be like dating a black chick who turned out to be a *****, and then saying "man, I'm never dating a black chick ever again. Black chicks are total *****es." One single occurence isn't a very large ample size, that's why experiments have to be repeatable.

For clarification - this is the first majority black apartment. The previous ones only had a few black residents scattered throughout.

His last apartment was next to an apartment with four black guys, every friday night they would stay up until 4-5 am having small parties, nothing big, but they had music on constantly and could be heard anywhere in his apartment. After a couple weeks of asking them to turn it off, him and his roommate started staying at my place on fridays.

He's also had a black roommate before, again had problem with music, this time waking him up in the morning though i think.

they are doing that because your friend was letting them get away with it. call the cops next time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdfBMp3QEgU

No its not, its just his experience

[QUOTE="Makaveli527"]That isn't a racist comment. He has made a prejudice decision that any complex with a large black community lives will be noisy, but it isn't showing any hate towards the black community in general, just the ones who were making the noise.MrGeezer

It's making the assumption that black people are inherently prone to engage in activities which makes living near them intolerable.

That is most certainly racism.

Racism is totally different from prejudices and generalizations........it's sad that you think this is racism. Everyone is prejudice to some extent, that doesn't mean they're racist....

There are two sorts of discriminationa/prejudice (which I'm gonna call d/p cos I'm lazy).

There is reasonable d/p, i.e. you refuse to accept a roommates application because he is a drug addict, or murderer etc.

There is unreasonable d/p, i.e. your refuse to accept a roommates application because he is black.

It is reasonable for your friend to say that he doesn't want to live anywhere which is full of loud music.

It is unreasonable (and therefore racism) if he says he doesnt want to live anywhere which is full of black people.

[QUOTE="Makaveli527"]That isn't a racist comment. He has made a prejudice decision that any complex with a large black community lives will be noisy, but it isn't showing any hate towards the black community in general, just the ones who were making the noise.MrGeezer

It's making the assumption that black people are inherently prone to engage in activities which makes living near them intolerable.

That is most certainly racism.

Not if all his experiences have been noisy. It's empiracal in regard to his experience. So not really.

People who make alot of noise in apts are just ignorant morons, it doesnt matter if its bass for rap music or the beat of a drum its just plain rude. I said if you wanna be loud then get a F***ing house.

[QUOTE="Makaveli527"]That isn't a racist comment. He has made a prejudice decision that any complex with a large black community lives will be noisy, but it isn't showing any hate towards the black community in general, just the ones who were making the noise.MrGeezer

It's making the assumption that black people are inherently prone to engage in activities which makes living near them intolerable.

That is most certainly racism.

I've had problems with noisy black people, white people, and asians.. Nobody will just shut up.

Edit, It's also quite depressing how a small number of black people being noisy can distort ones perception of an entire race. It isn't far to the rest of the black population that works hard and contributes to society.

He seems to be making a decision based on his bad experiences with a few people and applying it to all people of that color.

Definition of racism...http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

It's racism.

Definition of racism...http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism It's racismMrGeezer

Definition of racism...

It's racism.

MrGeezer

Not according to those definitions...

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Definition of racism...

It's racism.

LJS9502_basic

Not according to those definitions...

lol...dude, you're ****ing hilarious

lol...dude, you're ****ing hilarious

MrGeezer

Try reading your link and understanding the words. ;)

He found the neighborhood noisy..he's NOT discriminating nor has he said his race is superior. You really should find links to back up your stance and not negate it.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Definition of racism...

It's racism.

LJS9502_basic

Not according to those definitions...

lol...dude, you're ****ing hilarious

Try reading your link and understanding the words. ;)

Perhaps you should try reading the link.

Whatever dude. I provided proof. If you just want to pretend that you're illiterate just so that you don't end up getting proven wrong, be my guest.

In any case, it's not my problem. I posted proof, you've done nothing to refute it, so you're not worth my time.

Perhaps you should try reading the link.

Whatever dude. I provided proof. If you just want to pretend that you're illiterate just so that you don't end up getting proven wrong, be my guest.

In any case, it's not my problem. I posted proof, you've done nothing to refute it, so you're not worth my time.

MrGeezer

Your link underscores my point. I need not look for any other proof. ;)

i see it as a bit racist...

It's racism.

MrGeezer

It is reasonable to assume that experiences with large numbers of specific ethnicities will vary from group to group. Whether the root cause is socioeconomic, cultural, or what-have-you, the fact still remains that different cultures behave in different ways on a large scale.

For example... I can walk through my neighborhood (predominantly white) at 2am without fear of attack. I can not confidently say the same for downtown Newburgh (predominantly black). Is it coincidence that high crime areas are predominantly black? Or are the lawmakers just racist, outlawing perfectly normal social activities enjoyed by that particular ethnicity?

LMFAO at all the people saying that it's not racism.

According to the dictionary, it's defined as racism, and that's the end of it.

"But being prejudiced against people because of their race isn't racism."

The dictionary says otherwise, and that makes you wrong. Get over it.

LMFAO at all the people saying that it's not racism.

According to the dictionary, it's defined as racism, and that's the end of it.

"But being prejudiced against people because of their race isn't racism."

The dictionary says otherwise, and that makes you wrong. Get over it.

MrGeezer

ad hominem, just answer the question. Dictionary or not, different cultures exhibit different behaviors in large groups and I have the statistics to back it up. Call it whatever you want to according to whatever dictionary you like, predominantly black neighborhoods have higher rates of criminal activity.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

LMFAO at all the people saying that it's not racism.

According to the dictionary, it's defined as racism, and that's the end of it.

"But being prejudiced against people because of their race isn't racism."

The dictionary says otherwise, and that makes you wrong. Get over it.

SIapshot

ad hominem, just answer the question. Dictionary or not, different cultures exhibit different behaviors in large groups and I have the statistics to back it up. Call it whatever you want to according to whatever dictionary you like, predominantly black neighborhoods have higher rates of criminal activity.

You have the statistics to prove that poverty can lead to crime.

My roommate and I live in an apartment complex, a very very noisy apartment complex that we will both be leaving soon.

The noise comes from the black people in the apartment, this isn't being contested. It's the screaming and yelling throughout the night, and there is always someone playing music loud enough for you to hear it in your room.

The issue is, my roommate says he never wants to live in a majority black apartment complex again, which this is.

I view it as lets do a little more research next time we pick a place to live.

He argument is - "It's the black people that are making the noise, this isn't racist, it's just a fact. This is my fifth apartment, I've never had a problem with noise like this before. I agree we should do more research next time, but i still stand by my statement that i don't want to live in a complex where a large amount of black people live."

I've never heard him or seen him do anything racist before, until this, which i question whether or not is racism. I'm not sure about it, what do you guys think?

confusedaboutit

Racism has a crystal definition. So why must everybody ask if THIS or THAT is racist?