Do you think women are treated = to men?

Its a pretty fetching arguement, but i just want to know, based on what you have seen in your experiences, if you find women to be treated the same as men overall. Other than dating a feminist for a few years, i dont know much about it.

Ive HEARD that women dont get paid as much at certain jobs, or cant get as far ahead in work as men... but ive never experienced it or known someone who was affected by being a female that way.
I think alot of men might take a moment to realize a woman is in the same league as them, even for a split second perhaps they find them cute or attractive first and a co-worker second, but i see that that could be a problem.

ya, men and women are pretty equal...

I believe that overall, women's treatment has been rising amazingly well. Men in women will never be equal, simply different. This is not necessarily a bad thing, either. For example: Women will be less likely to fight in extreme battles during war for the simple fact of physical ability - that's not say women can't do things that are physically tough, it's only in terms of physical build. I think many women mistake being treated as gentle with discrimination. Women are naturally gentle creatures and I find nothing wrong with that. I would never want to be treated as a man is treated. No better, no worse, just different._Marisa_

I believe that overall, women's treatment has been rising amazingly well. Men in women will never be equal, simply different. This is not necessarily a bad thing, either. For example: Women will be less likely to fight in extreme battles during war for the simple fact of physical ability - that's not say women can't do things that are physically tough, it's only in terms of physical build. I think many women mistake being treated as gentle with discrimination. Women are naturally gentle creatures and I find nothing wrong with that. I would never want to be treated as a man is treated. No better, no worse, just different._Marisa_

Yes sense afterall you met every one on the planet and studied women culture for thousands of years to stereotype billions of our population into that characteristic.. That being said women still are paid less then men.. And till there is a woman president it will not neccesarly be truely equal.. Of course this is not to say we have to have a woman president, but its the highest office we have that eveyr one votes for.. And I have heard some pretty dumb ass comments on why women shouldn't be presidents..

To be honest...I would say no...I was shocked the other day to find the difference in pay...women are still getting the lower end of a stick in many areas of life...:(Greenwhitegreen

I dont understand how that works.... Someone looks at thier paycheck, says "Oops thier name is Patty. Shes probably a girl, lets just keep 100$ for ourselves." How can that be?

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I believe that overall, women's treatment has been rising amazingly well. Men in women will never be equal, simply different. This is not necessarily a bad thing, either. For example: Women will be less likely to fight in extreme battles during war for the simple fact of physical ability - that's not say women can't do things that are physically tough, it's only in terms of physical build. I think many women mistake being treated as gentle with discrimination. Women are naturally gentle creatures and I find nothing wrong with that. I would never want to be treated as a man is treated. No better, no worse, just different.sSubZerOo

Yes sense afterall you met every one on the planet and studied women culture for thousands of years to stereotype billions of our population into that characteristic.. That being said women still are paid less then men.. And till there is a woman president it will not neccesarly be truely equal.. Of course this is not to say we have to have a woman president, but its the highest office we have that eveyr one votes for.. And I have heard some pretty dumb ass comments on why women shouldn't be presidents..

[QUOTE="Greenwhitegreen"]To be honest...I would say no...I was shocked the other day to find the difference in pay...women are still getting the lower end of a stick in many areas of life...:(Witchsight

I dont understand how that works.... Someone looks at thier paycheck, says "Oops thier name is Patty. Shes probably a girl, lets just keep 100$ for ourselves." How can that be?

I question the claims of women being paid less. Maybe 30 years ago, but today? I'd like to see some evidence of women being paid less then their male counterparts to perform the same tasks.

Where I live, not really but they try to justifywith stupid reasons like when the lowest percentage for admission in the university for girls is 85% when the lowest for guys is 70% in the justification of 70% of university students are women and they're trying to get more male students in college? That's no reason to discriminate.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I believe that overall, women's treatment has been rising amazingly well. Men in women will never be equal, simply different. This is not necessarily a bad thing, either. For example: Women will be less likely to fight in extreme battles during war for the simple fact of physical ability - that's not say women can't do things that are physically tough, it's only in terms of physical build. I think many women mistake being treated as gentle with discrimination. Women are naturally gentle creatures and I find nothing wrong with that. I would never want to be treated as a man is treated. No better, no worse, just different._Marisa_

Yes sense afterall you met every one on the planet and studied women culture for thousands of years to stereotype billions of our population into that characteristic.. That being said women still are paid less then men.. And till there is a woman president it will not neccesarly be truely equal.. Of course this is not to say we have to have a woman president, but its the highest office we have that eveyr one votes for.. And I have heard some pretty dumb ass comments on why women shouldn't be presidents..

Well i am sorry if your offended but I just can't stand on how people fall into logical fallacies like this.. In the end it has caused some very terrible things in human history. Call it a pet peeve of mine.

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I believe that overall, women's treatment has been rising amazingly well. Men in women will never be equal, simply different. This is not necessarily a bad thing, either. For example: Women will be less likely to fight in extreme battles during war for the simple fact of physical ability - that's not say women can't do things that are physically tough, it's only in terms of physical build. I think many women mistake being treated as gentle with discrimination. Women are naturally gentle creatures and I find nothing wrong with that. I would never want to be treated as a man is treated. No better, no worse, just different.sSubZerOo

Yes sense afterall you met every one on the planet and studied women culture for thousands of years to stereotype billions of our population into that characteristic.. That being said women still are paid less then men.. And till there is a woman president it will not neccesarly be truely equal.. Of course this is not to say we have to have a woman president, but its the highest office we have that eveyr one votes for.. And I have heard some pretty dumb ass comments on why women shouldn't be presidents..

Well i am sorry if your offended but I just can't stand on how people fall into logical fallacies like this.. In the end it has caused some very terrible things in human history. Call it a pet peeve of mine.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I believe that overall, women's treatment has been rising amazingly well. Men in women will never be equal, simply different. This is not necessarily a bad thing, either. For example: Women will be less likely to fight in extreme battles during war for the simple fact of physical ability - that's not say women can't do things that are physically tough, it's only in terms of physical build. I think many women mistake being treated as gentle with discrimination. Women are naturally gentle creatures and I find nothing wrong with that. I would never want to be treated as a man is treated. No better, no worse, just different._Marisa_

Yes sense afterall you met every one on the planet and studied women culture for thousands of years to stereotype billions of our population into that characteristic.. That being said women still are paid less then men.. And till there is a woman president it will not neccesarly be truely equal.. Of course this is not to say we have to have a woman president, but its the highest office we have that eveyr one votes for.. And I have heard some pretty dumb ass comments on why women shouldn't be presidents..

Well i am sorry if your offended but I just can't stand on how people fall into logical fallacies like this.. In the end it has caused some very terrible things in human history. Call it a pet peeve of mine.

Stereotyping.

Equal? No. I've never been offered free drinks at a bar or been granted free admission to clubs.Oleg_Huzwog

^^exactly

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I believe that overall, women's treatment has been rising amazingly well. Men in women will never be equal, simply different. This is not necessarily a bad thing, either. For example: Women will be less likely to fight in extreme battles during war for the simple fact of physical ability - that's not say women can't do things that are physically tough, it's only in terms of physical build. I think many women mistake being treated as gentle with discrimination. Women are naturally gentle creatures and I find nothing wrong with that. I would never want to be treated as a man is treated. No better, no worse, just different.sSubZerOo

Yes sense afterall you met every one on the planet and studied women culture for thousands of years to stereotype billions of our population into that characteristic.. That being said women still are paid less then men.. And till there is a woman president it will not neccesarly be truely equal.. Of course this is not to say we have to have a woman president, but its the highest office we have that eveyr one votes for.. And I have heard some pretty dumb ass comments on why women shouldn't be presidents..

Well i am sorry if your offended but I just can't stand on how people fall into logical fallacies like this.. In the end it has caused some very terrible things in human history. Call it a pet peeve of mine.

Aren't you doing the same thing?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I believe that overall, women's treatment has been rising amazingly well. Men in women will never be equal, simply different. This is not necessarily a bad thing, either. For example: Women will be less likely to fight in extreme battles during war for the simple fact of physical ability - that's not say women can't do things that are physically tough, it's only in terms of physical build. I think many women mistake being treated as gentle with discrimination. Women are naturally gentle creatures and I find nothing wrong with that. I would never want to be treated as a man is treated. No better, no worse, just different.sonicare

Yes sense afterall you met every one on the planet and studied women culture for thousands of years to stereotype billions of our population into that characteristic.. That being said women still are paid less then men.. And till there is a woman president it will not neccesarly be truely equal.. Of course this is not to say we have to have a woman president, but its the highest office we have that eveyr one votes for.. And I have heard some pretty dumb ass comments on why women shouldn't be presidents..

Well i am sorry if your offended but I just can't stand on how people fall into logical fallacies like this.. In the end it has caused some very terrible things in human history. Call it a pet peeve of mine.

Aren't you doing the same thing?

Not really, I said it caused some terrible things not all terrible things...

My experience in this matter is nothing to brag about but No, I haven't seen a clear cut example of a woman being discriminated because she's a woman.

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I believe that overall, women's treatment has been rising amazingly well. Men in women will never be equal, simply different. This is not necessarily a bad thing, either. For example: Women will be less likely to fight in extreme battles during war for the simple fact of physical ability - that's not say women can't do things that are physically tough, it's only in terms of physical build. I think many women mistake being treated as gentle with discrimination. Women are naturally gentle creatures and I find nothing wrong with that. I would never want to be treated as a man is treated. No better, no worse, just different.sSubZerOo

Yes sense afterall you met every one on the planet and studied women culture for thousands of years to stereotype billions of our population into that characteristic.. That being said women still are paid less then men.. And till there is a woman president it will not neccesarly be truely equal.. Of course this is not to say we have to have a woman president, but its the highest office we have that eveyr one votes for.. And I have heard some pretty dumb ass comments on why women shouldn't be presidents..

Well i am sorry if your offended but I just can't stand on how people fall into logical fallacies like this.. In the end it has caused some very terrible things in human history. Call it a pet peeve of mine.

Stereotyping.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I believe that overall, women's treatment has been rising amazingly well. Men in women will never be equal, simply different. This is not necessarily a bad thing, either. For example: Women will be less likely to fight in extreme battles during war for the simple fact of physical ability - that's not say women can't do things that are physically tough, it's only in terms of physical build. I think many women mistake being treated as gentle with discrimination. Women are naturally gentle creatures and I find nothing wrong with that. I would never want to be treated as a man is treated. No better, no worse, just different.sSubZerOo

Yes sense afterall you met every one on the planet and studied women culture for thousands of years to stereotype billions of our population into that characteristic.. That being said women still are paid less then men.. And till there is a woman president it will not neccesarly be truely equal.. Of course this is not to say we have to have a woman president, but its the highest office we have that eveyr one votes for.. And I have heard some pretty dumb ass comments on why women shouldn't be presidents..

Well i am sorry if your offended but I just can't stand on how people fall into logical fallacies like this.. In the end it has caused some very terrible things in human history. Call it a pet peeve of mine.

Aren't you doing the same thing?

Not really, I said it caused some terrible things not all terrible things...

Where was the stereotype in what she said? I can't find it...

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I believe that overall, women's treatment has been rising amazingly well. Men in women will never be equal, simply different. This is not necessarily a bad thing, either. For example: Women will be less likely to fight in extreme battles during war for the simple fact of physical ability - that's not say women can't do things that are physically tough, it's only in terms of physical build. I think many women mistake being treated as gentle with discrimination. Women are naturally gentle creatures and I find nothing wrong with that. I would never want to be treated as a man is treated. No better, no worse, just different.gamingqueen

Yes sense afterall you met every one on the planet and studied women culture for thousands of years to stereotype billions of our population into that characteristic.. That being said women still are paid less then men.. And till there is a woman president it will not neccesarly be truely equal.. Of course this is not to say we have to have a woman president, but its the highest office we have that eveyr one votes for.. And I have heard some pretty dumb ass comments on why women shouldn't be presidents..

Well i am sorry if your offended but I just can't stand on how people fall into logical fallacies like this.. In the end it has caused some very terrible things in human history. Call it a pet peeve of mine.

Aren't you doing the same thing?

Not really, I said it caused some terrible things not all terrible things...

Where was the stereotype in what she said? I can't find it...

That women are naturally gentle creatures.

That women are naturally gentle creatures. sSubZerOo

Women in southeastern Ontario, Canada seem to be treated amazingly well. I can't say if women around the world are treated equally, but in my area they seemingly are.

One thing I WOULD like to point out is the so-called "pay difference". Now, I have no facts to base it on atm, but I'd assuem that there are more men in high ranking positions than women. I'd hazard that most of those men are in their 50's or older, so in comparison with women their age, they're getting paid much more because frankly there aren't as many women in their field or with their qualifications.

Now, take THIS generation, for instance. I wouldn't be surprised if women were on an equal slate as men when I'm in my 50s, because frankly, women in this generation are equally educated, and being young right now, will get plenty of opportuntities to climb the job ladder.

I know some people say "women can't be considered equal unless there's a female president", or "well, there's not enough women on the senate, so it's unequal". I'll just relate that to my previous point. Women back in those days where all of today's politicians started off in, were not so much in politics. Nowadays, there are more starting up, but back then, there weren't many, and there was likely more discrimination back then.

Would it be fair to take a somewhat experienced, half-decent woman politician and put her in the senate just ebcause she's a women and they're under-represented? Not saying all women politicians aren't as skileld/experienced as male ones..it's just that I'd hazard a guess that the atio of male to female politicians in the 45+ age range vastly favors males, and that with that population advantage comes a ratio of male politicians who are at the top of their class.

People should get where they want to be by earning it, and today's women ARE earning it. Soon, they'll see the fruits of their efforts. That's much better than putting someone in a position they aren't qualified for just because they're under-represented. That's not fair for anyone.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That women are naturally gentle creatures. _Marisa_

I think the only thing youre missing is that gentle doesnt only mean free from physical violence. You can be abusive or destructive mentally, which ive seen some girls do, and indeed many even revel in it. Like my sister :MADFACE:

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That women are naturally gentle creatures. _Marisa_

No its the fact that you characterize all women like that.. And no gentle is synomnous with weakness to alot o fpeople.. I could care less.. But when I hear people saying a woman can't be president because they are too gentle, or weak etc etc.. I tturns a negative thing and in th eend its still a stereotype.

for instance I shouldn't assume every woman I meet is gentle.. Hell I could use your stereotype why women shouldn't be in the military because they are gentle, yet again not weak.. And I think quite a few women would say otherwise.. Hell gentle could be used negatively for lack of aggression in the business market.. A aggressive business person is far more wanted then a supposed gentle.. This stereotype could very well stop a woman from getting her job.

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That women are naturally gentle creatures. sSubZerOo

No its the fact that you characterize all women like that.. And no gentle is synomnous with weakness to alot o fpeople.. I could care less.. But when I hear people saying a woman can't be president because they are too gentle, or weak etc etc.. I tturns a negative thing and in th eend its still a stereotype.

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That women are naturally gentle creatures. sSubZerOo

No its the fact that you characterize all women like that.. And no gentle is synomnous with weakness to alot o fpeople.. I could care less.. But when I hear people saying a woman can't be president because they are too gentle, or weak etc etc.. I tturns a negative thing and in th eend its still a stereotype.

for instance I shouldn't assume every woman I meet is gentle.. Hell I could use your stereotype why women shouldn't be in the military because they are gentle, yet again not weak.. And I think quite a few women would say otherwise.. Hell gentle could be used negatively for lack of aggression in the business market.. A aggressive business person is far more wanted then a supposed gentle.. This stereotype could very well stop a woman from getting her job.

She said physically and mentioned battlefeild.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That women are naturally gentle creatures. _Marisa_

No its the fact that you characterize all women like that.. And no gentle is synomnous with weakness to alot o fpeople.. I could care less.. But when I hear people saying a woman can't be president because they are too gentle, or weak etc etc.. I tturns a negative thing and in th eend its still a stereotype.

I never said thats so.. BUT many people in society DO.. And No I don't connect gentle with weak.. I think gentle is a human trait in all humanbeings regardless of their sex, though many ignore this trait in them selves.

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That women are naturally gentle creatures. Witchsight

I think the only thing youre missing is that gentle doesnt only mean free from physical violence. You can be abusive or destructive mentally, which ive seen some girls do, and indeed many even revel in it. Like my sister :MADFACE:

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That women are naturally gentle creatures. sSubZerOo

No its the fact that you characterize all women like that.. And no gentle is synomnous with weakness to alot o fpeople.. I could care less.. But when I hear people saying a woman can't be president because they are too gentle, or weak etc etc.. I tturns a negative thing and in th eend its still a stereotype.

I never said thats so.. BUT many people in society DO.. And No I don't connect gentle with weak.. I think gentle is a human trait in all humanbeings regardless of their sex, though many ignore this trait in them selves.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That women are naturally gentle creatures. _Marisa_

No its the fact that you characterize all women like that.. And no gentle is synomnous with weakness to alot o fpeople.. I could care less.. But when I hear people saying a woman can't be president because they are too gentle, or weak etc etc.. I tturns a negative thing and in th eend its still a stereotype.

I never said thats so.. BUT many people in society DO.. And No I don't connect gentle with weak.. I think gentle is a human trait in all humanbeings regardless of their sex, though many ignore this trait in them selves.

Because there are examples through out history showing that women are not inherintily gentle :|... Isn't it possible that society has molded women into this stereotype.. Lets not forget women have not even gotten equal rights sense really recently in human history.. Even in recent history there are numerous examples that disprove this stereotype..

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That women are naturally gentle creatures. sSubZerOo

No its the fact that you characterize all women like that.. And no gentle is synomnous with weakness to alot o fpeople.. I could care less.. But when I hear people saying a woman can't be president because they are too gentle, or weak etc etc.. I tturns a negative thing and in th eend its still a stereotype.

I never said thats so.. BUT many people in society DO.. And No I don't connect gentle with weak.. I think gentle is a human trait in all humanbeings regardless of their sex, though many ignore this trait in them selves.

Because there are examples through out history showing that women are not inherintily gentle :|... Isn't it possible that society has molded women into this stereotype.. Lets not forget women have not even gotten equal rights sense really recently in human history.. Even in recent history there are numerous examples that disprove this stereotype..

@Marisa: I think he has a thing for you and he doesn't know where to start so he attacked your post *reverse theory* jk :P

@Marisa: I think he has a thing for you and he doesn't know where to start so he attacked your post *reverse theory* jk :P

gamingqueen

I was reading a friend's badge the other day - it said -

"Boy are so great, every girl should own one"

We have been reduced to the level of dogs FFS - where's the equal treatment in that?

Didn't you just say that gentle is a human trait in all human beings? Now you are saying that women aren't inherintely gentle? _Marisa_

[QUOTE="Greenwhitegreen"]To be honest...I would say no...I was shocked the other day to find the difference in pay...women are still getting the lower end of a stick in many areas of life...:(Witchsight

I dont understand how that works.... Someone looks at thier paycheck, says "Oops thier name is Patty. Shes probably a girl, lets just keep 100$ for ourselves." How can that be?

Women are treated differently in the work-place.

Example: I just got off the phone with a potential employer and didn't get the job because I'm 5 months pregnant. I know it's because I'm pregnant because my mother's best friend works there and the man hiring said it's because he's worried about the pregnancy creating a problem.

Nobody seems to want to hire me because I'm pregnant. The same thing happened to other pregnant women I know (My cousin being one of them)_Marisa_

If you were an employer seeking hired help, would you pick someone who'd likely need significant time off in just a few short months?

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]

Women are treated differently in the work-place.

Example: I just got off the phone with a potential employer and didn't get the job because I'm 5 months pregnant. I know it's because I'm pregnant because my mother's best friend works there and the man hiring said it's because he's worried about the pregnancy creating a problem.

Nobody seems to want to hire me because I'm pregnant. The same thing happened to other pregnant women I know (My cousin being one of them)Oleg_Huzwog

If you were an employer seeking hired help, would you pick someone who'd likely need significant time off in just a few short months?