Do you use the Oxford Comma?

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#1 ZumaJones07
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it bugs me when people leave that comma out. oxford comma: Run to the store and get me some apples, turtles, toothpicks, bread, and juice please. no oxford comma: Run to the store and get me some potatoes, a butane, peas and milk please. I do it the first way because that's what I was taught and so anything else looks odd.
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#2 coolbeans90
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I do not use the serial comma.

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#3 KiIIyou
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The and is my comma. :)
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#4 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Am I missing something here? Oh, I see now. The comma before the and. Yes, I do use that.However, my punctuation skillusually sucks.

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#5 metroidprime55
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I use the Oxford comma.
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#7 megagene
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Yes always. Not using it usually combines the last two things in the sentence into something gross or nonsensical.
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#8 Acemaster27
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Funny you should ask, I just found this:

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#9 GazaAli
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I don't see the difference :|
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#10 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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acemaster wins this thread.

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#11 Jackc8
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I was under the impression that when doing a list, when you put "and" before the last item, you don't use a comma before the "and". So I don't.

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#12 coolbeans90
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In recent years, the serial comma has fallen out of fashion. It is an archaic hallmark of a lost era. If the AP Stylebook advises against using the comma, so be it.

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#13 WhiteKnight77
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I was taught that it could be done either way. Still, I mostly do not use it.

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#14 needled24-7
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i imagine myself saying the sentence, and if i put a pause in there, i'll put a comma. so sometimes i do, sometimes i do. but generally, i think i do.

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#15 scorch-62
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Yes, I do.
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#16 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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Yes I do because I'm not a barbarian, slug, or goober.
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#17 WhiteKnight77
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i imagine myself saying the sentence, and if i put a pause in there, i'll put a comma. so sometimes i do, sometimes i do. but generally, i think i do.

needled24-7

Do what???

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#18 needled24-7
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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

i imagine myself saying the sentence, and if i put a pause in there, i'll put a comma. so sometimes i do, sometimes i do. but generally, i think i do.

WhiteKnight77

Do what???

use the oxford comma

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#19 trastamad03
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No. Oxford comma uses me though... I feel violated... Please hold me.
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#20 IcyToasters
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relevant!

I use it. Not because it can make a sentence funny, but because I like how it looks or something. (and might've been how I was taught)

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#21 SolidSnake35
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Depends on the sentence: The door was wooden, red and old. It's not need there in my opinion. When the last two things can be combined without changing the meaning, it's fine.
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#22 PS2_ROCKS
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Funny you should ask, I just found this:

Acemaster27

That second sentence is flawed. It should be more like "We invited the strippers; JFK and Stalin." Or "We invited the strippers. JFK and Stalin." As it stands it's a list with three items. Strippers, JFK and Stalin.

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#23 Tylendal
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Of course I use a comma before "and". If you don't, this is what happens. "I'd like to thank my parents, Elvis and Jesus." Always use commas.
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#24 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="Acemaster27"]

Funny you should ask, I just found this:

PS2_ROCKS

That second sentence is flawed. It should be more like "We invited the strippers; JFK and Stalin." Or "We invited the strippers. JFK and Stalin." As it stands it's a list with three items. Strippers, JFK and Stalin.

I don't know about using a full stop, but I would say "... the strippers, namely JFK and Stalin."
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#25 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"]Of course I use a comma before "and". If you don't, this is what happens. "I'd like to thank my parents, Elvis and Jesus." Always use commas.

What about in the sentence I used? "The door was wooden, red and old." It's not necessary. It's only necessary when the sentence is ambiguous to begin with.
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#26 lowkey254
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I use the Oxford Comma. I think anything else is improper.

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#27 Kagai13
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In my native language putting a comma before "and" is the dumbest thing you can do so I rarely use this Oxford Comma of yours in English, it just looks stupid. It may be a mistake but still, it's my habit.
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#28 scorch-62
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That second sentence is flawed. It should be more like "We invited the strippers; JFK and Stalin." Or "We invited the strippers. JFK and Stalin." As it stands it's a list with three items. Strippers, JFK and Stalin.PS2_ROCKS
With the Oxford comma, it is a list of three items. Without the Oxford comma, it remains a list of three items but could be misunderstood as naming the invited strippers JFK and Stalin. There's also absolutely no need for a full stop. Did you fail middle school English or something?
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#29 horgen  Moderator
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Can't say I do. We were never taught that in our English classes.
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#30 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="Wikipeda"]In some circumstances the serial-comma convention can introduce ambiguity. An example would be a dedication reading: To my mother, Ayn Rand, and God The serial comma after Ayn Rand creates ambiguity about the writer's mother because it uses punctuation identical to that used for an appositive phrase, leaving it unclear whether this is a list of three people (1, my mother; 2, Ayn Rand; and 3, God) or of only two people (1, my mother, who is Ayn Rand; and 2, God). Without a serial comma, the above dedication would read To my mother, Ayn Rand and God, a phrase ambiguous only if the reader is prepared to accept the unlikely interpretation my mother, who is both Ayn Rand and God.

Dun dun dunnn.
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#31 WhiteKnight77
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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

i imagine myself saying the sentence, and if i put a pause in there, i'll put a comma. so sometimes i do, sometimes i do. but generally, i think i do.

needled24-7

Do what???

use the oxford comma

Reread what you wrote.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Wikipeda"]In some circumstances the serial-comma convention can introduce ambiguity. An example would be a dedication reading: To my mother, Ayn Rand, and God The serial comma after Ayn Rand creates ambiguity about the writer's mother because it uses punctuation identical to that used for an appositive phrase, leaving it unclear whether this is a list of three people (1, my mother; 2, Ayn Rand; and 3, God) or of only two people (1, my mother, who is Ayn Rand; and 2, God). Without a serial comma, the above dedication would read To my mother, Ayn Rand and God, a phrase ambiguous only if the reader is prepared to accept the unlikely interpretation my mother, who is both Ayn Rand and God.

Dun dun dunnn.

Therefore the Oxford comma is necessary if this is creating a list of individuals. If it is not then the Oxford comma is not needed. I don't see where the confusion is at all.
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#33 PS2_ROCKS
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[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]That second sentence is flawed. It should be more like "We invited the strippers; JFK and Stalin." Or "We invited the strippers. JFK and Stalin." As it stands it's a list with three items. Strippers, JFK and Stalin.scorch-62
With the Oxford comma, it is a list of three items. Without the Oxford comma, it remains a list of three items but could be misunderstood as naming the invited strippers JFK and Stalin. There's also absolutely no need for a full stop. Did you fail middle school English or something?

Did I fail middle school English? What kind of question is that? Just because it's not necessary doesn't mean it's incorrect. Think before you type. It makes you look less ignorant.
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#34 scorch-62
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Did I fail middle school English? What kind of question is that? Just because it's not necessary doesn't mean it's incorrect. Think before you type. It makes you look less ignorant.PS2_ROCKS
Hey, I wasn't the one who suggested a full stop in the middle of a sentence that was trying to describe a list.
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#35 PS2_ROCKS
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[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]Did I fail middle school English? What kind of question is that? Just because it's not necessary doesn't mean it's incorrect. Think before you type. It makes you look less ignorant.scorch-62
Hey, I wasn't the one who suggested a full stop in the middle of a sentence that was trying to describe a list.

I was re-writing the second sentence to make it fit the picture depicting the strippers as being JFK and Stalin. As it stands, I suppose the second sentence is open for interpretation but personally I don't think I've ever had a problem with a sentence that lacked the Oxford Comma.

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#36 CJL182
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I use it because I was taught to use it, and it honestly makes sense why it should be there. I didn't know that some people have stopped using it.

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#37 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="lowkey254"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Wikipeda"]In some circumstances the serial-comma convention can introduce ambiguity. An example would be a dedication reading: To my mother, Ayn Rand, and God The serial comma after Ayn Rand creates ambiguity about the writer's mother because it uses punctuation identical to that used for an appositive phrase, leaving it unclear whether this is a list of three people (1, my mother; 2, Ayn Rand; and 3, God) or of only two people (1, my mother, who is Ayn Rand; and 2, God). Without a serial comma, the above dedication would read To my mother, Ayn Rand and God, a phrase ambiguous only if the reader is prepared to accept the unlikely interpretation my mother, who is both Ayn Rand and God.

Dun dun dunnn.

Therefore the Oxford comma is necessary if this is creating a list of individuals. If it is not then the Oxford comma is not needed. I don't see where the confusion is at all.

There isn't any confusion... unless you're one of the people saying the Oxford Comma is always necessary, which it isn't.
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#38 SolidSnake35
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I use it because I was taught to use it, and it honestly makes sense why it should be there. I didn't know that some people have stopped using it.

CJL182
From what I read, it's an American practice only.
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#39 Lord_Daemon
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I do use it although I grew up being taught that it was not proper and occasionally I let it drop because to my eye it still looks out of place to have it there.

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#40 markop2003
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No i don't tend to, though when reading it it does seem to help denote that the bread and juice are not somehow related and are just part of the list.
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#41 Allicrombie
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I do. Anything else is uncivilized. =P
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#42 LJS9502_basic
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Nah I use the LJ comma.....Run to the store and get me some potatoes.....a butane......peas....and milk please.
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#43 markop2003
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[QUOTE="lowkey254"] Therefore the Oxford comma is necessary if this is creating a list of individuals. If it is not then the Oxford comma is not needed. I don't see where the confusion is at all.

The Oxford comma is never necessary that's why it's controversial... there wouldn't be a debate if there was a strict rule.
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#44 Overlord93
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Sometimes, I usually just read it through and determine for myself whether it makes it flow better.
Nah I use the LJ comma.....Run to the store and get me some potatoes.....a butane......peas....and milk please.LJS9502_basic
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#45 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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I presume this is an American practice?
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#46 DeX2010
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No. I was always taught to structure sentences like this: I went to the supermarket and I bought apples, almonds, crisps and cheese.
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#47 ydnarrewop
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I use it :)
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#48 _Colossus_
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No. But from here on now I will.

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[QUOTE="Tylendal"]Of course I use a comma before "and". If you don't, this is what happens. "I'd like to thank my parents, Elvis and Jesus." Always use commas.SolidSnake35
What about in the sentence I used? "The door was wooden, red and old." It's not necessary. It's only necessary when the sentence is ambiguous to begin with.

Well, if someone wants to be technical and annoyingly pedantic then in any sentence like yours the "red and old" part would be a specification or a clarification of the term before the comma.

But of course I dont use the Oxford comma so.... I dont really care.

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#50 Blue-Sky
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I don't use but I can see where is would make a difference for specific scenarios. Like listing 3 items or pairing an adjective and a noun separately.