Do you want Socialized Health Care?? POLL

It's more than obvious that this question is on everyone's mind.

My position:

I feel that almost every employer in America provides healthcare for a price.Some people choose not to pay for health-care, while others it's their top priority when getting a job.

The thing is when something is forced it ruins the free market. I'm all about a free economy.

As long as the level of health care stays the same I think it would be a good thing.

I am more worried about a drop in the level of healthcare in our country.

It's more than obvious that this question is on everyone's mind.

JohnWinger

Sure, I can handle waiting for service if it's free.

Nope.I place greater value in self-reliance.

Yes and no.

Everyone should be insured and have acess to healthcare. At the same time there needs to be a way to keep waiting lists from happening. No one should have to wait long for a life-saving procedure....

nope... I don't want government being involved in even more aspects of my life.proctorsurf

Ironically, you seem to put a lot of trust into your insurance company.

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]nope... I don't want government being involved in even more aspects of my life.Engrish_Major

Ironically, you seem to put a lot of trust into your insurance company.

One in which he is free to ditch for a competing company whenever he wishes. Can't do the same with government agencies.

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[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]nope... I don't want government being involved in even more aspects of my life.Oleg_Huzwog

Ironically, you seem to put a lot of trust into your insurance company.

One in which he is free to ditch for a competing company whenever he wishes. Can't do the same with government agencies.

Once he gets a chronic condition, he will not be so free to do so. Also, wait until a major operation is needed and see how the insurance company fights to not cover it.

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[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]nope... I don't want government being involved in even more aspects of my life.Oleg_Huzwog

Ironically, you seem to put a lot of trust into your insurance company.

One in which he is free to ditch for a competing company whenever he wishes. Can't do the same with government agencies.

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[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]nope... I don't want government being involved in even more aspects of my life.Engrish_Major

Ironically, you seem to put a lot of trust into your insurance company.

One in which he is free to ditch for a competing company whenever he wishes. Can't do the same with government agencies.

Once he gets a chronic condition, he will not be so free to do so. Also, wait until a major operation is needed and see how the insurance company fights to not cover it.

STOP FLAMING EVERYONE!!!

You need to learn to respect other people's opinions.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]nope... I don't want government being involved in even more aspects of my life.Engrish_Major

Ironically, you seem to put a lot of trust into your insurance company.

One in which he is free to ditch for a competing company whenever he wishes. Can't do the same with government agencies.

Once he gets a chronic condition, he will not be so free to do so. Also, wait until a major operation is needed and see how the insurance company fights to not cover it.

Yes and in countries like Canada and France waiting lists for major surgeries can be as long as a year. When you have cancer that can be the difference between life and death. At least here he will get the surgery.

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[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]nope... I don't want government being involved in even more aspects of my life.JohnWinger

Ironically, you seem to put a lot of trust into your insurance company.

One in which he is free to ditch for a competing company whenever he wishes. Can't do the same with government agencies.

Once he gets a chronic condition, he will not be so free to do so. Also, wait until a major operation is needed and see how the insurance company fights to not cover it.

STOP FLAMING EVERYONE!!!

If you hate freedoom of speech, then leave.

He isn't flaming.. He gave you real reasons on possible disadvantages.. Not saying one is right over the other.. But when I see some one give a counter point to your approach you are screaming "omg stop flaming!".

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[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]nope... I don't want government being involved in even more aspects of my life.Thyeora

Ironically, you seem to put a lot of trust into your insurance company.

One in which he is free to ditch for a competing company whenever he wishes. Can't do the same with government agencies.

Once he gets a chronic condition, he will not be so free to do so. Also, wait until a major operation is needed and see how the insurance company fights to not cover it.

Yes and in countries like Canada and France waiting lists for major surgeries can be as long as a year. When you have cancer that can be the difference between life and death. At least here he will get the surgery.

And then you can always get alternative private health care if the poitn is serious.. No one is syaing that you can't get private medical assistence.

Even with "free" healthcare, companies can still be around, offering "better and faster" services if you do not trust the governmental system. Socialized Health Care really helps more unfortunate people out there, and I certainly support it.TheTerribleFish

Yes, however then you would be paying for health-care twice.

Even with "free" healthcare, companies can still be around, offering "better and faster" services if you do not trust the governmental system. Socialized Health Care really helps more unfortunate people out there, and I certainly support it.TheTerribleFish

Just like education. I do not see people here saying 'we should take away public schools because I don't feel like paying for them'.

[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"]Even with "free" healthcare, companies can still be around, offering "better and faster" services if you do not trust the governmental system. Socialized Health Care really helps more unfortunate people out there, and I certainly support it.JohnWinger

Yes, however then you would be paying for health-care twice.

That's how NHS in England works, and everyone pays half what the average American does. They are free to pay more if they want.

[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"]Even with "free" healthcare, companies can still be around, offering "better and faster" services if you do not trust the governmental system. Socialized Health Care really helps more unfortunate people out there, and I certainly support it.JohnWinger

Yes, however then you would be paying for health-care twice.

If you mean taxes? Well, that's one cynical way of seeing it, but I've grown up to believe that taxes are not there to kill you, it's there to help you.

I don't favor a complete socializaton of healthcare, but I do feel that there should be a safety net where no one is denied life-saving treatment or medication on the basis of payment.xaos

Yes, the proverbial 'happy medium'. Americans seem to think that by implementing socialist ideals that we are all becoming Soviets under Stalinist rule.

[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"]Even with "free" healthcare, companies can still be around, offering "better and faster" services if you do not trust the governmental system. Socialized Health Care really helps more unfortunate people out there, and I certainly support it.Engrish_Major

Just like education. I do not see people here saying 'we should take away public schools because I don't feel like paying for them'.

I think we should.

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[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"]Even with "free" healthcare, companies can still be around, offering "better and faster" services if you do not trust the governmental system. Socialized Health Care really helps more unfortunate people out there, and I certainly support it.TheTerribleFish

Yes, however then you would be paying for health-care twice.

If you mean taxes? Well, that's one cynical way of seeing it, but I've grown up to believe that taxes are not there to kill you, it's there to help you.

With more education you will see that the Government is constantly raising taxes do to poor spending on fruitless programs like "Homeland Security".

Remember that incident in Boston, http://youtube.com/watch?v=wR_29Oz93mk

That incident cost THE PEOPLE over 1 Million dollars because of poor intelligence on the Government's part.

People need to wake up.

[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"][QUOTE="JohnWinger"]

[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"]Even with "free" healthcare, companies can still be around, offering "better and faster" services if you do not trust the governmental system. Socialized Health Care really helps more unfortunate people out there, and I certainly support it.JohnWinger

Yes, however then you would be paying for health-care twice.

If you mean taxes? Well, that's one cynical way of seeing it, but I've grown up to believe that taxes are not there to kill you, it's there to help you.

With more education you will see that the Government is constantly raising taxes do to poor spending on fruitless programs like "Homeland Security".

Remember that incident in Boston, http://youtube.com/watch?v=wR_29Oz93mk

That incident cost THE PEOPLE over 1 Million dollars because of poor intelligence on the Government's part.

People need to wake up.

Yes, I agree. We need to stop spending billions of dollars on programs that do not help people and start diverting that money to areas that acrually do, like health care.

Thanks for helping!

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[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"]Even with "free" healthcare, companies can still be around, offering "better and faster" services if you do not trust the governmental system. Socialized Health Care really helps more unfortunate people out there, and I certainly support it.TheTerribleFish

Yes, however then you would be paying for health-care twice.

If you mean taxes? Well, that's one cynical way of seeing it, but I've grown up to believe that taxes are not there to kill you, it's there to help you.

It all depends. Many times it can end up hurting instead of helping. Problems aren't solved by throwing money at them. Sorry, there's more to it than that and people need to understand this.

I'll take free healthcare. As long as I don't pay a single cent for it, my taxes don't increase, I don't have to wait any longer to see the doctor than I do now, and no other costs in my life increase because of this. If not then forget it.greeneye59

Misconceptions. People think that it will be worse. Studies have consistently shown that the US lags far behind other western nations in quality and efficiency of health care, not to mention amount of preventable deaths.

[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"][QUOTE="JohnWinger"]

[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"]Even with "free" healthcare, companies can still be around, offering "better and faster" services if you do not trust the governmental system. Socialized Health Care really helps more unfortunate people out there, and I certainly support it.JohnWinger

Yes, however then you would be paying for health-care twice.

If you mean taxes? Well, that's one cynical way of seeing it, but I've grown up to believe that taxes are not there to kill you, it's there to help you.

With more education you will see that the Government is constantly raising taxes do to poor spending on fruitless programs like "Homeland Security".

Remember that incident in Boston, http://youtube.com/watch?v=wR_29Oz93mk

That incident cost THE PEOPLE over 1 Million dollars because of poor intelligence on the Government's part.

People need to wake up.

Agreed though there is some hypocrisy in this.. Alot of the people who are against taxs and expensives of these programs are just fine with the Iraq War.. Which has been terrible costing the US untold amounts of money that will need to be payed off.

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[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"]Even with "free" healthcare, companies can still be around, offering "better and faster" services if you do not trust the governmental system. Socialized Health Care really helps more unfortunate people out there, and I certainly support it.trix5817

Yes, however then you would be paying for health-care twice.

If you mean taxes? Well, that's one cynical way of seeing it, but I've grown up to believe that taxes are not there to kill you, it's there to help you.

It all depends. Many times it can end up hurting instead of helping. Problems aren't solved by throwing money at them. Sorry, there's more to it than that and people need to understand this.

You are right, there is more to it than money. Explain that to the insurance companies who drop coverage when the patient is no longer profitable.

Where i live everyone is entitled to health care, but only for major things. Operations or medical treatments whose purpose is only aesthetical, or of luxury purposes, do not get covered by the government.

But we also have private health care, which i prefer, not only because there is more costumer support, but normally private hospitals are better organized, and have nicer doctors. And nurses! :oops:

No. There are too many problems inherent in the system right now...not the least of which is subpar health care.LJS9502_basic

I've heard that american health care is pretty good if you have a nice insurance...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No. There are too many problems inherent in the system right now...not the least of which is subpar health care.TheTerribleFish

I've heard that american health care is pretty good if you have a nice insurance...

It is....it would be better to come up with a plan to insure those now uninsured rather than destroy the system.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No. There are too many problems inherent in the system right now...not the least of which is subpar health care.LJS9502_basic

I've heard that american health care is pretty good if you have a nice insurance...

It is....it would be better to come up with a plan to insure those now uninsured rather than destroy the system.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No. There are too many problems inherent in the system right now...not the least of which is subpar health care.LJS9502_basic

I've heard that american health care is pretty good if you have a nice insurance...

It is....it would be better to come up with a plan to insure those now uninsured rather than destroy the system.

Wouldn't that just be the same as socialized health care, only that the government forces "free" insurance instead of governmental healthcare?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No. There are too many problems inherent in the system right now...not the least of which is subpar health care.LJS9502_basic

I've heard that american health care is pretty good if you have a nice insurance...

It is....it would be better to come up with a plan to insure those now uninsured rather than destroy the system.

Unfortantely that would most likely cost more then going to social health care.. But yeah I am all for it.. In the end of the day the main problem I see about our health care is its a business plain and simple.. Where profit has more importance then common good.

Absolutely not. The less the government is involved in, the better.garey017

Why do so many americans think like this?

Absolutely not. The less the government is involved in, the better.garey017

And your precious insurance company has your interests at heart?

[QUOTE="garey017"]Absolutely not. The less the government is involved in, the better.TheTerribleFish

Why do so many americans think like this?

Usually the same Americans who support the government's tanks running around foreign cities.

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[QUOTE="garey017"]Absolutely not. The less the government is involved in, the better.Engrish_Major

Why do so many americans think like this?

Usually the same Americans who support the government's tanks running around foreign cities.

So they want the government to pay more attention outside the American border than inside? That makes sence.... somehow...

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[QUOTE="garey017"]Absolutely not. The less the government is involved in, the better.Engrish_Major

Why do so many americans think like this?

Usually the same Americans who support the government's tanks running around foreign cities.