I hate that most of the animated films in America are targeted towards children. Most Americans are programmed to believe that animated films are for children. There may be a few that contradict that but very few and it just isn' enough.
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I hate that most of the animated films in America are targeted towards children. Most Americans are programmed to believe that animated films are for children. There may be a few that contradict that but very few and it just isn' enough.
There are some adult animated films out there from America. Â But yeah, typically here they're geared towards children. Â Just a cultural difference, I suppose. Â Though CGI films (if you consider them in the same league) are doing fairly well even with adult audiences, so a good traditional animated film could potentially do well.
I don't know what you've been watching, but Tom and Jerry was a super violent cartoon, and it promoted violence against animals. FightingfanTom and Jerry is not a drama. I want more animated films with serious tones.
[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I don't know what you've been watching, but Tom and Jerry was a super violent cartoon, and it promoted violence against animals. sundayismyDADTom and Jerry is not a drama. I want more animated films with serious tones. You don't think animal abuse is a serious issue?
My Point Exactly.considering they have zero of them yes they should. One thing anime has over American cartoons for adults is they actually have some thing else to watch other then comedies.
osirisx3
I think if america really NEEDED more animated drama, some would have been produced by now, but the general public seems fine without it. I really dont see the advantage of animated dramas vs real dramas besides being cheaper to make and just personal pressence. I feel like if america really wanted animated dramas that much, some company would have tried to cash in on it by now.
They're not really dramas since they're in the surreal side of things but Linklater's two animated films Waking Life and A Scanner Darkly are perfect examples of adult animation that isn't a comedy.
I'd be interested to see what kind of work someone could do if they animated a drama show. In America, at least, because there are plenty in the anime world.
Interesting, but I think that the bottom line is that an animated show that isn't either comedy or action oriented is too much of a hard sell, at least in the US, anyway. I can't picture too many networks--cable or the big four--taking a chance in investing in an animated series that's dialogue or character driven with very little action. They would be too nervous that either people won't "get it", or even worse, no one would watch it.I'd be interested to see what kind of work someone could do if they animated a drama show. In America, at least, because there are plenty in the anime world.
turtlethetaffer
[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]Interesting, but I think that the bottom line is that an animated show that isn't either comedy or action oriented is too much of a hard sell, at least in the US, anyway. I can't picture too many networks--cable or the big four--taking a chance in investing in an animated series that's dialogue or character driven with very little action. They would be too nervous that either people won't "get it", or even worse, no one would watch it.I'd be interested to see what kind of work someone could do if they animated a drama show. In America, at least, because there are plenty in the anime world.
Hallenbeck77
All that is sadly true :( Â If only people watched more than just cop shows :P
[QUOTE="osirisx3"]My Point Exactly. Uh, not saying there aren't, but most anime is aimed at children too. I find it hard to think of more than two or three that are adult-oriented.considering they have zero of them yes they should. One thing anime has over American cartoons for adults is they actually have some thing else to watch other then comedies.
sundayismyDAD
[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]Interesting, but I think that the bottom line is that an animated show that isn't either comedy or action oriented is too much of a hard sell, at least in the US, anyway. I can't picture too many networks--cable or the big four--taking a chance in investing in an animated series that's dialogue or character driven with very little action. They would be too nervous that either people won't "get it", or even worse, no one would watch it. so instead we get stuff like "Axe Cop." =P Much better.I'd be interested to see what kind of work someone could do if they animated a drama show. In America, at least, because there are plenty in the anime world.
Hallenbeck77
All that is sadly true :( Â If only people watched more than just cop shows :PturtlethetafferAnother reason it'd be difficult ( if not THE reason) is because you would have to have a good reason for it. It'd be interesting, yes--but if a production company is footing the bill for an entire season, being interesting or different might not be enough. You would have to ask "Why would this work better in an animated format? What can the viewer get out of it that they wouldn't get if it were to be made in an traditional live-action production?"
I watched Waking Life like 3 years ago and the animation bothered me a lot. Like it hurt to look at it for a long time. The movie was cool otherwise though.They're not really dramas since they're in the surreal side of things but Linklater's two animated films Waking Life and A Scanner Darkly are perfect examples of adult animation that isn't a comedy.
DharmaMember77
[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"][QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]Interesting, but I think that the bottom line is that an animated show that isn't either comedy or action oriented is too much of a hard sell, at least in the US, anyway. I can't picture too many networks--cable or the big four--taking a chance in investing in an animated series that's dialogue or character driven with very little action. They would be too nervous that either people won't "get it", or even worse, no one would watch it. so instead we get stuff like "Axe Cop." =P Much better. They turned that into a show now?! What network did THAT?I'd be interested to see what kind of work someone could do if they animated a drama show. In America, at least, because there are plenty in the anime world.
Allicrombie
[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]All that is sadly true :( Â If only people watched more than just cop shows :PHallenbeck77Another reason it'd be difficult ( if not THE reason) is because you would have to have a good reason for it. It'd be interesting, yes--but if a production company is footing the bill for an entire season, being interesting or different might not be enough. You would have to ask "Why would this work better in an animated format? What can the viewer get out of it that they wouldn't get if it were to be made in an traditional live-action production?"
I'd like to see a surrealist horror series that's American and animated. THAT would be neat. And the reason is "it's easier on the budget".
[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"][QUOTE="osirisx3"]My Point Exactly. Uh, not saying there aren't, but most anime is aimed at children too. I find it hard to think of more than two or three that are adult-oriented.considering they have zero of them yes they should. One thing anime has over American cartoons for adults is they actually have some thing else to watch other then comedies.
Saturos3091
I think there are more adult oriented anime than three.
I find it hard to think of more than two or three that are adult-oriented.Saturos3091are you defining 'adult-oriented' as being mature and deep, or just as something that'd be rated higher than pg-13? cus if it's the latter, oh boy let me tell you I've seen enough graphic violence and sexuality to know you are wrong a million times over
[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"][QUOTE="Allicrombie"] Â so instead we get stuff like "Axe Cop." =P Much better.AllicrombieThey turned that into a show now?! What network did THAT? It's on Sunday nights on Fox, lol.Wow...never thought that Fox would be that hard up for animated shows.
[QUOTE="Saturos3091"] I find it hard to think of more than two or three that are adult-oriented.Seraphy-are you defining 'adult-oriented' as being mature and deep, or just as something that'd be rated higher than pg-13? cus if it's the latter, oh boy let me tell you I've seen enough graphic violence and sexuality to know you are wrong a million times overThe former. The latter I know there's plenty of.
[QUOTE="Seraphy-"][QUOTE="Saturos3091"] I find it hard to think of more than two or three that are adult-oriented.Saturos3091are you defining 'adult-oriented' as being mature and deep, or just as something that'd be rated higher than pg-13? cus if it's the latter, oh boy let me tell you I've seen enough graphic violence and sexuality to know you are wrong a million times overThe former. The latter I know there's plenty of.
Well with the latter that's still not aimed at kids... I shudder to think of a 10 year old watching Elfen Lied.
[QUOTE="Seraphy-"][QUOTE="Saturos3091"] I find it hard to think of more than two or three that are adult-oriented.Saturos3091are you defining 'adult-oriented' as being mature and deep, or just as something that'd be rated higher than pg-13? cus if it's the latter, oh boy let me tell you I've seen enough graphic violence and sexuality to know you are wrong a million times overThe former. The latter I know there's plenty of.I can think of Monster and Berserk off the top of my head. I know a lot of adult oriented comics don't get made into animes even if they're freaking awesome though, like Vagabond and REAL.
yeah, there's a lot of mature/adult-y stuff if we include manga I started reading Freesia recently for example and it's probably one the darker takes on insanity I've seenI can think of Monster and Berserk off the top of my head. I know a lot of adult oriented comics don't get made into animes even if they're freaking awesome though, like Vagabond and REAL.
cain006
[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]All that is sadly true :( Â If only people watched more than just cop shows :PHallenbeck77Another reason it'd be difficult ( if not THE reason) is because you would have to have a good reason for it. It'd be interesting, yes--but if a production company is footing the bill for an entire season, being interesting or different might not be enough. You would have to ask "Why would this work better in an animated format? What can the viewer get out of it that they wouldn't get if it were to be made in an traditional live-action production?"
Truth. Someone else mentioned 'A Scanner Darkly' - while I enjoyed the film I remember often thinking "why exactly did this need to be animated?".
No strong opinion. If they did some cool stuff with the animation I'd love to see it, otherwise I'm fairly indifferent.
Another reason it'd be difficult ( if not THE reason) is because you would have to have a good reason for it. It'd be interesting, yes--but if a production company is footing the bill for an entire season, being interesting or different might not be enough. You would have to ask "Why would this work better in an animated format? What can the viewer get out of it that they wouldn't get if it were to be made in an traditional live-action production?"[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"][QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]All that is sadly true :( Â If only people watched more than just cop shows :Pworlock77
Truth. Someone else mentioned 'A Scanner Darkly' - while I enjoyed the film I remember often thinking "why exactly did this need to be animated?".
Why does it need to have a particular reason to be animated? It's just a different art style. If it doesn't detract then I don't see the problem.
No strong opinion. If they did some cool stuff with the animation I'd love to see it, otherwise I'm fairly indifferent.
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"] Another reason it'd be difficult ( if not THE reason) is because you would have to have a good reason for it. It'd be interesting, yes--but if a production company is footing the bill for an entire season, being interesting or different might not be enough. You would have to ask "Why would this work better in an animated format? What can the viewer get out of it that they wouldn't get if it were to be made in an traditional live-action production?"chessmaster1989
Truth. Someone else mentioned 'A Scanner Darkly' - while I enjoyed the film I remember often thinking "why exactly did this need to be animated?".
Why does it need to have a particular reason to be animated? It's just a different art style. If it doesn't detract then I don't see the problem.
In this particular case it may not have detracted, but it didn't add anything ether. Actually it seemed kinda absurd, since they filmed that one in live action then drew over what they had filmed.
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