Does Christianity use fear tactics?

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#51 blacktorn
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Well it is somewhat,how can the idea of hell not strike fear in you,also the bible in a few cases states that a fear in god is the right way to live life,Ecclesiastes:"fear god and keep his commandments",now that makes alot of sense,because for example someone who perhaps thinks of killing someone else will think twice about doing it because he has a fear of going to hell,and Christianity would of spark this into the man.

Fear god essentially means fear hell and sins,wich is obviously a good thing,however i can see how using fear in other religions can be used for evil.Fear can spark good or evil.

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#52 battlefront23
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[QUOTE="battlefront23"]He sent his son to die for you, thats love enough...SolidSnake35
Hardly matters if you're struggling to believe. If he thought, God loves me as he sent Jesus, then why would he even be doubtful of God in the first place?

Its natural for man to be doubtful of God, in fact I always pray to God if I am doubtful, and He always helps me out! :)

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#53 Film-Guy
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[QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="123625"]

Well christianity teaches if you don't beleive in the God of the bible and Jesus you go to hell for not having faith in them. Which is ironically what people deserve.

Yes christianity does use fear, but you forget the enormous amount of love it has to.

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So people with different beliefs deserve to go to hell? Or do you mean somethign else when you say that hell is what people deserve?

Its both hell for your sins and your lack of faith.

Jesus pardons you from your sin for your faith, allowing you to enter heaven.

He will forgive anyone who beleive and had faith in him. Then you will be judged by God.

IF Jesus took your sin, you are inocent in God's eyes, if he didn't you are sinful and must be punished. Hell.

Here is my view on Hell. It is a place of Darkness and void of God, not grimstone and fire. The fire (I beleive) is metaphorical for how you will feel when seperated from God.

One question, should you go to heaven with a God you never beleived?

Is believing jesus existed enough though, not believing the messiah thing I mean. What about buddhists or muslims and the rest? Do you think they deserve hell? I don't think god loves me that much if I am doomed to hell:(

He sent his son to die for you, thats love enough...

This may sound like a dumb question, so forgive me if it is. Why can God only have one son? He can create whole worlds, but he can only have one son? Maybe i didnt read the explanation for that in the bible, my memory isnt always great:P

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#54 Film-Guy
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[QUOTE="123625"]All humans deserve to go to hell,SolidSnake35
Argh. No, we do not deserve to go to hell. Nothing can justify eternal torment and suffering. Nothing. End of. That is my belief. If it conflicts with the views of this loving God then so be it.

I don't think a god can be called "loving" if he sends you to eternal torment and hellfire for what you did when you were alive, even if its something simple that just breaks the ten commandments it doesnt matter, you will go to HELL!

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#55 quiglythegreat
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Well it is somewhat,how can the idea of hell not strike fear in you,also the bible in a few cases states that a fear in god is the right way to live life,Ecclesiastes:"fear god and keep his commandments",now that makes alot of sense,because for example someone who perhaps thinks of killing someone else will think twice about doing it because he has a fear of going to hell,and Christianity would of spark this into the man.

Fear god essentially means fear hell and sins,wich is obviously a good thing,however i can see how using fear in other religions can be used for evil.Fear can spark good or evil.

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We should not hesitate to murder our neighbors for fear of God's punishment. We should not refrain from it because it will put us in a bad position with the law. We should fear for it because we know that by destroying someone else we are eating away from the only important substance in all the world (life) and that we are destroying ourselves by doing so. We do not need a lake of fire to keep us in check. We merely know that if we love, we feel at peace with the world, and if we hate, our beds as we toss in them in insomnia serve as punishment enough
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#56 Judza
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[QUOTE="123625"]All humans deserve to go to hell,SolidSnake35
Argh. No, we do not deserve to go to hell. Nothing can justify eternal torment and suffering. Nothing. End of. That is my belief. If it conflicts with the views of this loving God then so be it.

Too true. Any Christian who "justifies" eternal damnation as a "punishment" for lack of faith can and is labelled as a dogmatic bigot in my books. If the religious people don't agree with me, then what can I say? "Go to hell"?

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#57 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="123625"]All humans deserve to go to hell,SolidSnake35
Argh. No, we do not deserve to go to hell. Nothing can justify eternal torment and suffering. Nothing. End of. That is my belief. If it conflicts with the views of this loving God then so be it.

Heaven means with God....Hell means without. K?

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#58 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]All humans deserve to go to hell,Film-Guy

Argh. No, we do not deserve to go to hell. Nothing can justify eternal torment and suffering. Nothing. End of. That is my belief. If it conflicts with the views of this loving God then so be it.

I don't think a god can be called "loving" if he sends you to eternal torment and hellfire for what you did when you were alive, even if its something simple that just breaks the ten commandments it doesnt matter, you will go to HELL!

I was using the word sarcastically. I don't think he's loving either... at least not the way in which some people portray him.
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#59 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]All humans deserve to go to hell,LJS9502_basic

Argh. No, we do not deserve to go to hell. Nothing can justify eternal torment and suffering. Nothing. End of. That is my belief. If it conflicts with the views of this loving God then so be it.

Heaven means with God....Hell means without. K?

While that sounds a lot better and more sensible, it's not what I hear all the time. This is just another example of conflicting ideas that make me doubt the whole concept of religion.
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#60 123625
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[QUOTE="123625"]

God of christianity doesnt forgive sin. If you break any one of the ten commandments your screwed. Only through Jesus are you able to go to heaven. He takes the sin for you. And i think God loves you alot to send his son for you.

All humans deserve to go to hell, but you are saved through Jesus should you accept him.

Read John 3:16

LJS9502_basic

Are you starting your own religion...becuase the Christian God forgives sin.:|

Trinity much?

Jesus Forgives

His Father doesnt.

Im not making a new religion :|

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#61 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="123625"]

God of christianity doesnt forgive sin. If you break any one of the ten commandments your screwed. Only through Jesus are you able to go to heaven. He takes the sin for you. And i think God loves you alot to send his son for you.

All humans deserve to go to hell, but you are saved through Jesus should you accept him.

Read John 3:16

123625

Are you starting your own religion...becuase the Christian God forgives sin.:|

Trinity much?

Jesus Forgives

His Father doesnt.

Im not making a new religion :|

Wrong spin on the interpretation.....for a quick refresher....say the Lord's Prayer/Our Father...it's in the NT.

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#62 funkadelichika
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Just a question seeing as we are off topic anyways....If nothing we do in life can warrant being totured eternally(eternal hell however you believe in hell) Then would eternal bliss (heaven) be unfeaseable as well?
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#63 Film-Guy
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="123625"]

God of christianity doesnt forgive sin. If you break any one of the ten commandments your screwed. Only through Jesus are you able to go to heaven. He takes the sin for you. And i think God loves you alot to send his son for you.

All humans deserve to go to hell, but you are saved through Jesus should you accept him.

Read John 3:16

123625

Are you starting your own religion...becuase the Christian God forgives sin.:|

Trinity much?

Jesus Forgives

His Father doesnt.

Im not making a new religion :|

So Jesus is the nice son who wants to forgive everyone, while god is a sort of mean drunken father who either beats you with a belt or says he loves you? I know its a weird comparision, but thats how it seems to me.

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#64 Film-Guy
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I have a weird theory on life, what if hell is a sort of eternal loop of your regular life, but you are a different person each time. In the end you die the same, just as a different person in a different place. Its like a repeat of a cop drama, but repeated every time you die!
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If it doesn't have some form of fear inducement, than it isn't a religion. Buddhism, while might seem like a religion is more of a lifestyle more than anything else.
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#66 quiglythegreat
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If it doesn't have some form of fear inducement, than it isn't a religion. Buddhism, while might seem like a religion is more of a lifestyle more than anything else.Moroes
Yes, however it is lifestyle grounded in philosophy and a certain way of viewing existence.
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[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="123625"]

God of christianity doesnt forgive sin. If you break any one of the ten commandments your screwed. Only through Jesus are you able to go to heaven. He takes the sin for you. And i think God loves you alot to send his son for you.

All humans deserve to go to hell, but you are saved through Jesus should you accept him.

Read John 3:16

Film-Guy

Are you starting your own religion...becuase the Christian God forgives sin.:|

Trinity much?

Jesus Forgives

His Father doesnt.

Im not making a new religion :|

So Jesus is the nice son who wants to forgive everyone, while god is a sort of mean drunken father who either beats you with a belt or says he loves you? I know its a weird comparision, but thats how it seems to me.

Not really. God the father loves us, but he is just. Because he is perfect he cannot forgive sin, and if he forgave one sin, he could forgive all sin. Since he couldn't forgive us, he sent Jesus down to forgive us. Jesus died on the cross and that was the perfect sacrifice for humanity.

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#68 Film-Guy
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If it doesn't have some form of fear inducement, than it isn't a religion. Buddhism, while might seem like a religion is more of a lifestyle more than anything else.Moroes

Buddhism started as a philosphy, it changed over the years and became a sort of religion. It is one of the most adaptable religions around however, you can have buddhist beliefs and philosphies and still be a christian, muslim etc.

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Not really. God the father loves us, but he is just. Because he is perfect he cannot forgive sin, and if he forgave one sin, he could forgive all sin. Since he couldn't forgive us, he sent Jesus down to forgive us. Jesus died on the cross and that was the perfect sacrifice for humanity.

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Dude...that is totally wrong.:|

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[QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="123625"]

God of christianity doesnt forgive sin. If you break any one of the ten commandments your screwed. Only through Jesus are you able to go to heaven. He takes the sin for you. And i think God loves you alot to send his son for you.

All humans deserve to go to hell, but you are saved through Jesus should you accept him.

Read John 3:16

123625

Are you starting your own religion...becuase the Christian God forgives sin.:|

Trinity much?

Jesus Forgives

His Father doesnt.

Im not making a new religion :|

So Jesus is the nice son who wants to forgive everyone, while god is a sort of mean drunken father who either beats you with a belt or says he loves you? I know its a weird comparision, but thats how it seems to me.

Not really. God the father loves us, but he is just. Because he is perfect he cannot forgive sin, and if he forgave one sin, he could forgive all sin. Since he couldn't forgive us, he sent Jesus down to forgive us. Jesus died on the cross and that was the perfect sacrifice for humanity.

Why can't god forgive though? Is it the adam and eve thing. if so then thats a hell ( no pun intended) of a long grudge against humanity to hold.

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Not really. God the father loves us, but he is just. Because he is perfect he cannot forgive sin, and if he forgave one sin, he could forgive all sin. Since he couldn't forgive us, he sent Jesus down to forgive us. Jesus died on the cross and that was the perfect sacrifice for humanity.

123625
I fail to see a perfection in what you are proposing. It means that God was unable to forgive us (and if we have done something wrong, that is imperfect as well), and then for redemption, someone died only as a sacrifice. This seems to be saying that simply dying and suffering advances humanity, which in a way is true, but I don't think that Christians have stumbled upon that for the right reasons, but in any event, the way a person lived should be what brings us back to the light, not the way that life ended.
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#72 123625
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[QUOTE="123625"]

Not really. God the father loves us, but he is just. Because he is perfect he cannot forgive sin, and if he forgave one sin, he could forgive all sin. Since he couldn't forgive us, he sent Jesus down to forgive us. Jesus died on the cross and that was the perfect sacrifice for humanity.

LJS9502_basic

Dude...that is totally wrong.:|

Correct me then. Im willing to learn.

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#73 LJS9502_basic
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Why can't god forgive though? Is it the adam and eve thing. if so then thats a hell ( no pun intended) of a long grudge against humanity to hold.

Film-Guy

God does. I don't know where he came up with that...

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[QUOTE="123625"]

Not really. God the father loves us, but he is just. Because he is perfect he cannot forgive sin, and if he forgave one sin, he could forgive all sin. Since he couldn't forgive us, he sent Jesus down to forgive us. Jesus died on the cross and that was the perfect sacrifice for humanity.

LJS9502_basic

Dude...that is totally wrong.:|

I second that. I use to be a christian. I use to preach this stuff for years...And never have I heard of someone explaining the trinity the way this person is...
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#75 Film-Guy
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[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Why can't god forgive though? Is it the adam and eve thing. if so then thats a hell ( no pun intended) of a long grudge against humanity to hold.

LJS9502_basic

God does. I don't know where he came up with that...

Sorry about that, I am getting very confused now.

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#76 123625
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="123625"]

Not really. God the father loves us, but he is just. Because he is perfect he cannot forgive sin, and if he forgave one sin, he could forgive all sin. Since he couldn't forgive us, he sent Jesus down to forgive us. Jesus died on the cross and that was the perfect sacrifice for humanity.

123625

Dude...that is totally wrong.:|

Correct me then. Im willing to learn.

Still waiting

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#77 DeliDuck
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Why can't god forgive though? Is it the adam and eve thing. if so then thats a hell ( no pun intended) of a long grudge against humanity to hold.

Film-Guy

God does. I don't know where he came up with that...

Sorry about that, I am getting very confused now.

LOL Yeah...I would be too...You'll come to learn though that many differen't types of christians mean many differen't types of beliefs on many things and on the same things...If that statement makes sense...:P
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Be like me or burn for eternity.... no, it doesent, what ever gave you that idea.... :|
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#79 greenprince
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Not all Christians do that, to say that, would be a huge general ignorant assumption.
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#80 DeliDuck
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Be like me or burn for eternity.... no, it doesent, what ever gave you that idea.... :|Def_Jef88
Be like God! Blasphemy no one can be like God! Oh wait it's blasphemy if you want to be Gods equal....Nevermind carry on...:P
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#81 DarkKar
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christianity's beliefs, real or not, have magnificent guidelines and morals to live by.
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#82 wemhim
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If you're scared of going to hell. It's a scare tactic. If you're not scared, it's not.