does Global Warming have some positive effects?

A lot of times you hear people talking about the potential negative effects of global warming. However I saw a story on the local news on tv about a winery in Goshen, Connecticut. The owner of the winery said that because the climate has gotten warmer in the past 15 years he is now able to grow more wine varieties that he once did.

Now this is not to say that global warming is overall a good thing, but the results of it will probably be a mix of good things and bad things.

Who needs polar bears when we have wine.

Who needs polar bears when we have wine.

Davulao

Think of all the new ocean front property in the future. SaintLeonidas

I plan on opening a resort in Nunavut. I've already bought the land for it.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Think of all the new ocean front property in the future. Storm_Marine

I plan on opening a resort in Nunavut. I've already bought the land for it.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Think of all the new ocean front property in the future. Kevlar101

I plan on opening a resort in Nunavut. I've already bought the land for it.

You won't be calling me that when I'm making billions off of tourists that want to experience the Igloolik Riviera.

I too live in Connecticut and let me tell you, last ski season was sh!t and I didn't have a single snow day. Not even for the massive snow storm in October. So for me it's been rather saddening. On the bright side, since I'll be in college next year, I'll pass on the snow.

If you could control it like a thermostat then maybe it would be (though I think people fail to take into account that the natural environment is as valuable if not moreso than being able to increase wine production, and that local wildlife and plants could be drastically affected in a negative manner). The problem is you don't get to set it like a thermostat, eventually it will adversely affect grape-growing conditions not just in that region but all over the place. That doesn't even take into account the adverse effects its having on other areas like Pacific islands and the possible cataclismic change that could occur in coastal areas (like New York or New Orleans) if climate change is left unchecked. This isn't something we can just switch off when it becomes inconvienent. This is like braking on the highway, if you wait until the last minute you won't be able to stop in time, and as it stands this may be spiraling out of our control already.

Sure there maybe some positive effects but the bad out weighs the good.

Like most people have said, the bad outweighs the good.

I am finishing a bio minor with most of my studies focused in ecology, and I plan on going into environmental law. I am only saying this to give some credit to my explanation, I am not an expert yet. The only real positive effects are some increased yield in some crops, but this ultimately won't mean crap once we lose farm land to raised sea levels, once pest populations increase and spread to eat the crops, and once the nutritional value is altered.

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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Think of all the new ocean front property in the future. Kevlar101

I plan on opening a resort in Nunavut. I've already bought the land for it.

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Of course changes in weather are going to benefit some. It's also going to ruin the lively hood of others. Right now that's primarily island tribes in the pacific so I don't think too many here care.Ace6301

I too live in Connecticut and let me tell you, last ski season was sh!t and I didn't have a single snow day. Not even for the massive snow storm in October. So for me it's been rather saddening. On the bright side, since I'll be in college next year, I'll pass on the snow.

RandomWinner

Global warming has nothing positive that makes any sense to me.

I'm thinking all the droughts lately say that the negatives outweigh the bad, big time.

thanks to the current drought in the US we are going to have less corn and other vegetables, which not only means less food for us to eat in the form of veggies, but less food for cows, chicken, and pigs to eat. So not only will we have less burgers, steak, chicken, and bacon, but also less dairy products like milk and cheese. That means less cheese and bacon for pizza.

Sh!t just got real for millions of Americans.

Yeah, it gets rid of all that f*cking snow :P

This guy is horrible at presenting their ideas but whatever he is the top chief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhiFamF-M0c

Step 1
No more powerplants.
Step 2
Self powered electrical cars.
Step 3
Use controlled 'global warming' in glass house for more wine.

Solved.

The first thing that comes to mind is the opening of the Northwest Passage, not just in September, but for several months each year, allowing shipping companies to give Panama the finger.

if you're rich you will be able to afford the now limited supply of bacon and cheese which you can then eat in front of poor people for entertainment.

Yes, it does. For example, crop yields at northern latitudes will increase if there's only a few degrees' temperature change (although they will still decrease at lower latitudes). However, the positive effects disappear for more dramatic temperature shifts.MannyDelgado

This is in fact WRONG, because the rainfall for the region could change dramatically including drought.. It doesn't matter if we have a longer planting cycle if they don't get enough water.. We have had a huge drought across the country right now with all these hot temperatures..

I won't have to shovel snow anymore!

I won't have to shovel snow anymore!

Necrifer

Increased precipitation can actually be a symptom of global warming in some areas, though if it progresses far enough this will be true. By the time you stopped having to shovel snow we'd probably be suffering from food shortages because of lack of precipitation, though. Also you'd probably be dead.

Increased precipitation can actually be a symptom of global warming in some areas, though if it progresses far enough this will be true. By the time you stopped having to shovel snow we'd probably be suffering from food shortages because of lack of precipitation, though. Also you'd probably be dead.

theone86

Dead from...?

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Increased precipitation can actually be a symptom of global warming in some areas, though if it progresses far enough this will be true. By the time you stopped having to shovel snow we'd probably be suffering from food shortages because of lack of precipitation, though. Also you'd probably be dead.

Necrifer

Dead from...?

Heart attack, while shoveling snow.

[spoiler] in all seriousness, time. [/spoiler]

Heart attack, while shoveling snow.

theone86

Nah. The snow can just sit there.

Oh...time.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Increased precipitation can actually be a symptom of global warming in some areas, though if it progresses far enough this will be true. By the time you stopped having to shovel snow we'd probably be suffering from food shortages because of lack of precipitation, though. Also you'd probably be dead.

Necrifer

Dead from...?

What is going to happen first is what some call "global wierding", where the climate will be all over the place and perhaps even lead the common man to believe "see? climate change isn't real, it so normal right now." and then a week later there could be some natural disaster in his area that he never saw coming.

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Increased precipitation can actually be a symptom of global warming in some areas, though if it progresses far enough this will be true. By the time you stopped having to shovel snow we'd probably be suffering from food shortages because of lack of precipitation, though. Also you'd probably be dead.

IronBeaver

Dead from...?

What is going to happen first is what some call "global wierding", where the climate will be all over the place and perhaps even lead the common man to believe "see? climate change isn't real, it so normal right now." and then a week later there could be some natural disaster in his area that he never saw coming.

What I meant was by the time the climate changes to the point where there's no snow in his region anymore he's probably going to be dead anyways.

whipassmt, do you suffer from Aspberger syndrome?

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Yes, it does. For example, crop yields at northern latitudes will increase if there's only a few degrees' temperature change (although they will still decrease at lower latitudes). However, the positive effects disappear for more dramatic temperature shifts.sSubZerOo

This is in fact WRONG, because the rainfall for the region could change dramatically including drought.. It doesn't matter if we have a longer planting cycle if they don't get enough water.. We have had a huge drought across the country right now with all these hot temperatures..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Yes, it does. For example, crop yields at northern latitudes will increase if there's only a few degrees' temperature change (although they will still decrease at lower latitudes). However, the positive effects disappear for more dramatic temperature shifts.MannyDelgado

This is in fact WRONG, because the rainfall for the region could change dramatically including drought.. It doesn't matter if we have a longer planting cycle if they don't get enough water.. We have had a huge drought across the country right now with all these hot temperatures..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57480852/report-shows-record-u.s-drought-intensifying/ emperical evidence like the drought thats hitting the country? Corn is a amazing crop unfortunately it needs rain and even a slight deviation can ruin the crop.. What is worried with the change in temperatures is a change in weather patterns in which it rains either too much or too little in the wrong places..

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

This is in fact WRONG, because the rainfall for the region could change dramatically including drought.. It doesn't matter if we have a longer planting cycle if they don't get enough water.. We have had a huge drought across the country right now with all these hot temperatures..

sSubZerOo

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57480852/report-shows-record-u.s-drought-intensifying/ emperical evidence like the drought thats hitting the country? Corn is a amazing crop unfortunately it needs rain and even a slight deviation can ruin the crop.. What is worried with the change in temperatures is a change in weather patterns in which it rains either too much or too little in the wrong places..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Uh, empirical data indicates that it's the case. So piss off, unless you have any actual evidence in your favour.MannyDelgado

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57480852/report-shows-record-u.s-drought-intensifying/ emperical evidence like the drought thats hitting the country? Corn is a amazing crop unfortunately it needs rain and even a slight deviation can ruin the crop.. What is worried with the change in temperatures is a change in weather patterns in which it rains either too much or too little in the wrong places..

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/ongoing-coverage-of-historic-drought-in-us/ and I am sorry but what this isn't just any drought this is historical levels of drought.. That people are starting to compare it to things like the Dustbowl..

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57480852/report-shows-record-u.s-drought-intensifying/ emperical evidence like the drought thats hitting the country? Corn is a amazing crop unfortunately it needs rain and even a slight deviation can ruin the crop.. What is worried with the change in temperatures is a change in weather patterns in which it rains either too much or too little in the wrong places..

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]That's it? That's your evidence? A news story about drought? Jesus, you're a f*cking moron. See the IPCC AR4 assessment of impacts for relevant data pertaining to the increased yields of certain crops at high latitudes. I'd dig it out myself again, but frankly you're not worth the effort.MannyDelgado

I just provided you with a link in which its not just drought, its a drought that is reaching historical levels. http://www.climatecentral.org/news/ongoing-coverage-of-historic-drought-in-us/ as stated here.. And yet again your not helping you stand when all your doing is flinging insults at me when I in no way meant to offend you.. Yet again, SETTLE DOWN.

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] You need to settle down and take a deep breath.. I am merely disagreeing with you that is it.. That global warming is a problem not because of the temperature but that it can lead to unpredictable changes on a landscape with a set agriculture that depends on predictable weather expectation.. sSubZerOo

I just provided you with a link in which its not just drought, its a drought that is reaching historical levels.http://www.climatecentral.org/news/ongoing-coverage-of-historic-drought-in-us/ as stated here.. And yet again your not helping you stand when all your doing is flinging insults at me when I in no way meant to offend you.. Yet again, SETTLE DOWN.

I hear cancer has positive effects on weight loss.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]The issue is not per se that you are disagreeing with me; the issue is that you are disagreeing with meusing purely verbal, nonempirical reasoning against rigorous scientific studies, which is a pretty arrogant and stupid thing to do.

MannyDelgado

I just provided you with a link in which its not just drought, its a drought that is reaching historical levels.http://www.climatecentral.org/news/ongoing-coverage-of-historic-drought-in-us/ as stated here.. And yet again your not helping you stand when all your doing is flinging insults at me when I in no way meant to offend you.. Yet again, SETTLE DOWN.

What your speaking of is recording based upon 2007 studies, not longterm.. And if we are on the same page it specifically has these crops suffering immensely for the most part based around lack of percipitation, as shown win the lighter collored dots in graph B and C.... That is the only thing argued, that temperature may indeed be postiive if thats the only thing that changes.. But it isn't, the climate change is leading to radical diferences weather, namely in rainfall.. This is of course that I am looking at the correct document from the IPCC.. And of course you can consider A RECORD drought as a BIG hit in crop yields and will most definitely skew the data.. This isn't just any average drought this is being compared to the DUSTBOWL of the 1930s.. That is the point I am trying to argue that your oversimplifying it because even a few degrees can lead to wildly weather patterns and we are seeing this possibly now if we are to accept this drought is a symptom.. So agree to disagree..

MannyDelgado is one of the few people on this board who knows what he is talking about on this particular subject. If you have a point of contention, I would use, I dunno, numbers. Conjecture is for children, politicians, and preachers.

Well I don't have to purchase clothes for summer AND winter.

So that's a plus.

Who needs polar bears when we have wine.

Davulao

I too live in Connecticut and let me tell you, last ski season was sh!t and I didn't have a single snow day. Not even for the massive snow storm in October. So for me it's been rather saddening. On the bright side, since I'll be in college next year, I'll pass on the snow.

RandomWinner

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Increased precipitation can actually be a symptom of global warming in some areas, though if it progresses far enough this will be true. By the time you stopped having to shovel snow we'd probably be suffering from food shortages because of lack of precipitation, though. Also you'd probably be dead.

IronBeaver

Dead from...?

What is going to happen first is what some call "global wierding", where the climate will be all over the place and perhaps even lead the common man to believe "see? climate change isn't real, it so normal right now." and then a week later there could be some natural disaster in his area that he never saw coming.

I only have a paper copy here so I can't post it.

MannyDelgado