[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]I don't think God exists but I'm still kind of agnostic. I think that the whole question of agnosticism does not really relate to what your belief on it is though.bman784
It seems to me that you're trying to save face with him, if he is out there. Why is it so hard to accept that people aren't willing to make absolute judgements about things they can't possibly know? Why would he be trying to "save face" if he doesn't accept religion? Well the majority of people do make a judgement on things that they do not know, when it comes to God. Him stating that he is an "Agnostic Atheist" seems very strange to me, why not just be an atheist?
[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]I don't think God exists but I'm still kind of agnostic. I think that the whole question of agnosticism does not really relate to what your belief on it is though.blackngold29
It seems to me that you're trying to save face with him, if he is out there. Why is it so hard to accept that people aren't willing to make absolute judgements about things they can't possibly know? Why would he be trying to "save face" if he doesn't accept religion? Well the majority of people do make a judgement on things that they do not know, when it comes to God. Him stating that he is an "Agnostic Atheist" seems very strange to me, why not just be an atheist? Because atheism is an absolute judgement. As someone who is religious yourself (I'm assuming) you should be glad that he's at least acknowledging the possibility.
Well the majority of people do make a judgement on things that they do not know, when it comes to God. Him stating that he is an "Agnostic Atheist" seems very strange to me, why not just be an atheist?blackngold29
An atheist believes there is no God/gods. An agnostic atheist views that one cannot know the existence or non-existence of God and does not believe in God. An agnostic theist claims to not know the existence of God but believe in Him.
It is a lot more complicated than your cut-n-dry dichotomy.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]I don't think God exists but I'm still kind of agnostic. I think that the whole question of agnosticism does not really relate to what your belief on it is though.bman784
It seems to me that you're trying to save face with him, if he is out there. Why is it so hard to accept that people aren't willing to make absolute judgements about things they can't possibly know? Why would he be trying to "save face" if he doesn't accept religion? Well the majority of people do make a judgement on things that they do not know, when it comes to God. Him stating that he is an "Agnostic Atheist" seems very strange to me, why not just be an atheist? Because atheism is an absolute judgement. As someone who is religious yourself (I'm assuming) you should be glad that he's at least acknowledging the possibility. Then why isn't he agnostic?
[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]I don't think God exists but I'm still kind of agnostic. I think that the whole question of agnosticism does not really relate to what your belief on it is though.blackngold29
It seems to me that you're trying to save face with him, if he is out there. Why is it so hard to accept that people aren't willing to make absolute judgements about things they can't possibly know? Why would he be trying to "save face" if he doesn't accept religion? Well the majority of people do make a judgement on things that they do not know, when it comes to God. Him stating that he is an "Agnostic Atheist" seems very strange to me, why not just be an atheist? Because atheism is an absolute judgement. As someone who is religious yourself (I'm assuming) you should be glad that he's at least acknowledging the possibility. Then why isn't he agnostic? What is your definition of agnosticism?
There is something out there, but He doesn't sit around all day answering everyone's prayers. If He did, we'd have no war, famine, or disease. It doesn't mean He doesn't care, no certainly not, but He is probably pretty busy too. I don't think God interferes with our lives as much as we would like to think he does.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"]Well the majority of people do make a judgement on things that they do not know, when it comes to God. Him stating that he is an "Agnostic Atheist" seems very strange to me, why not just be an atheist?foxhound_fox
An atheist believes there is no God/gods. An agnostic atheist views that one cannot know the existence or non-existence of God and does not believe in God. An agnostic theist claims to not know the existence of God but believe in Him.
It is a lot more complicated than your cut-n-dry dichotomy. That isn't what I've heard so far, it was more like an agnostic believes what you said an Atheist Agnostic does.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]I don't think God exists but I'm still kind of agnostic. I think that the whole question of agnosticism does not really relate to what your belief on it is though.bman784
It seems to me that you're trying to save face with him, if he is out there. Why is it so hard to accept that people aren't willing to make absolute judgements about things they can't possibly know? Why would he be trying to "save face" if he doesn't accept religion? Well the majority of people do make a judgement on things that they do not know, when it comes to God. Him stating that he is an "Agnostic Atheist" seems very strange to me, why not just be an atheist? Because atheism is an absolute judgement. As someone who is religious yourself (I'm assuming) you should be glad that he's at least acknowledging the possibility. Then why isn't he agnostic? What is your definition of agnosticism? Whatever you said, doesn't pick or know one way or the other.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]Well the majority of people do make a judgement on things that they do not know, when it comes to God. Him stating that he is an "Agnostic Atheist" seems very strange to me, why not just be an atheist?blackngold29
An atheist believes there is no God/gods. An agnostic atheist views that one cannot know the existence or non-existence of God and does not believe in God. An agnostic theist claims to not know the existence of God but believe in Him.
It is a lot more complicated than your cut-n-dry dichotomy. That isn't what I've heard so far, it was more like an agnostic believes what you said an Atheist Agnostic does.
Well unless your foolish enough to believe in the Big Bang Theory than you better believe him. It is the only logical anwser to how humanity was made... so yes i do believe in God!
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]Well the majority of people do make a judgement on things that they do not know, when it comes to God. Him stating that he is an "Agnostic Atheist" seems very strange to me, why not just be an atheist?blackngold29
An atheist believes there is no God/gods. An agnostic atheist views that one cannot know the existence or non-existence of God and does not believe in God. An agnostic theist claims to not know the existence of God but believe in Him.
It is a lot more complicated than your cut-n-dry dichotomy. That isn't what I've heard so far, it was more like an agnostic believes what you said an Atheist Agnostic does. It seems to me that you're confused by the semantics. An atheist-agnostic is an agnostic. I'm guessing the atheist designation is just a way to describe the lack of accpeting religion, but the acknowledgement that there COULD be a higher power of some sort, which is the definition of agnosticism. Therefore, he is just an agnostic.
Well unless your foolish enough to believe in the Big Bang Theory than you better believe him. It is the only logical anwser to how humanity was made... so yes i do believe in God! torontomapleafs
It seems to me that you're confused by the semantics. An atheist-agnostic is an agnostic. I'm guessing the atheist designation is just a way to describe the lack of accpeting religion, but the acknowledgement that there COULD be a higher power of some sort, which is the definition of agnosticism. Therefore, he is just an agnostic. bman784
So why did he say Agnostic Atheist? It seems to me: Atheist = No God, Agnostic = Do not know, you can't be both.
Well unless your foolish enough to believe in the Big Bang Theory than you better believe him. It is the only logical anwser to how humanity was made... so yes i do believe in God! torontomapleafs
In that case, there seem to be a lot of fools with comprehensive educations and high degrees at the top of their fields.
[QUOTE="bman784"]It seems to me that you're confused by the semantics. An atheist-agnostic is an agnostic. I'm guessing the atheist designation is just a way to describe the lack of accpeting religion, but the acknowledgement that there COULD be a higher power of some sort, which is the definition of agnosticism. Therefore, he is just an agnostic. blackngold29
So why did he say Agnostic Atheist? It seems to me: Atheist = No God, Agnostic = Do not know, you can't be both.
Well unless your foolish enough to believe in the Big Bang Theory than you better believe him. It is the only logical anwser to how humanity was made... so yes i do believe in God! torontomapleafs
humanity comes from evolution. Religion is like a blanket, there to comfort those who are afraid to face the true reality of death, by making people believe they have something to look foreward to in an imaginative afterlife.
Well unless your foolish enough to believe in the Big Bang Theory than you better believe him. It is the only logical anwser to how humanity was made... so yes i do believe in God! torontomapleafs
There is no evidence to support the Big Bang Theory. None. But that doesn't make those who believe in it fools.
[QUOTE="bman784"]It seems to me that you're confused by the semantics. An atheist-agnostic is an agnostic. I'm guessing the atheist designation is just a way to describe the lack of accpeting religion, but the acknowledgement that there COULD be a higher power of some sort, which is the definition of agnosticism. Therefore, he is just an agnostic. blackngold29
So why did he say Agnostic Atheist? It seems to me: Atheist = No God, Agnostic = Do not know, you can't be both. You're reading too much into it. He's just trying to convey a certain lean toward atheism within agnosticism, which is inherent. It's somewhat of a contradiction on his part, but it's not hard to understand what he means. He's simply an agnostic.
[QUOTE="torontomapleafs"]Well unless your foolish enough to believe in the Big Bang Theory than you better believe him. It is the only logical anwser to how humanity was made... so yes i do believe in God! bman784
In that case, there seem to be a lot of fools with comprehensive educations and high degrees at the top of their fields.
But of course convenient metaphysical answers for physical problems is far more logical. :roll:
That isn't what I've heard so far, it was more like an agnostic believes what you said an Atheist Agnostic does.blackngold29
Strong agnosticism (also called hard agnosticism, closed agnosticism, strict agnosticism, absolute agnosticism) - the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of an omnipotent God and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience.
Mild agnosticism (also called weak agnosticism, soft agnosticism, open agnosticism, empirical agnosticism, temporal agnosticism) - the view that the existence or nonexistence of God or gods is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if more evidence is available.
Apathetic agnosticism - the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of God or gods, but since any God or gods that may exist appear unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic anyway.
Pragmatic agnosticism - the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of God or gods.
Agnostic theism (also called religious agnosticism) - the view of those who do not claim to know existence of God or gods, but still believe in such an existence.
Agnostic atheism - the view of those who do not know of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods, and do not believe in them.
Ignosticism - the view that a coherent definition of God must be put forward before the question of the existence of God can meaningfully be discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of God is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "God exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against.
[QUOTE="bman784"]It seems to me that you're confused by the semantics. An atheist-agnostic is an agnostic. I'm guessing the atheist designation is just a way to describe the lack of accpeting religion, but the acknowledgement that there COULD be a higher power of some sort, which is the definition of agnosticism. Therefore, he is just an agnostic. blackngold29
So why did he say Agnostic Atheist? It seems to me: Atheist = No God, Agnostic = Do not know, you can't be both. It's too abstract a question to conclusively answer.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="bman784"]It seems to me that you're confused by the semantics. An atheist-agnostic is an agnostic. I'm guessing the atheist designation is just a way to describe the lack of accpeting religion, but the acknowledgement that there COULD be a higher power of some sort, which is the definition of agnosticism. Therefore, he is just an agnostic. gobo212
So why did he say Agnostic Atheist? It seems to me: Atheist = No God, Agnostic = Do not know, you can't be both.
[QUOTE="torontomapleafs"]Well unless your foolish enough to believe in the Big Bang Theory than you better believe him. It is the only logical anwser to how humanity was made... so yes i do believe in God! -TheSecondSign-
There is no evidence to support the Big Bang Theory. None. But that doesn't make those who believe in it fools.
look up WMAP. And we don't believe in it. we accept it. big difference between those two words.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="bman784"]It seems to me that you're confused by the semantics. An atheist-agnostic is an agnostic. I'm guessing the atheist designation is just a way to describe the lack of accpeting religion, but the acknowledgement that there COULD be a higher power of some sort, which is the definition of agnosticism. Therefore, he is just an agnostic. bman784
So why did he say Agnostic Atheist? It seems to me: Atheist = No God, Agnostic = Do not know, you can't be both. You're reading too much into it. He's just trying to convey a certain lean toward atheism within agnosticism, which is inherent. It's somewhat of a contradiction on his part, but it's not hard to understand what he means. He's simply an agnostic. Thank you, I think I get it now. He's just leaning toward one side, but doesn't completely disbelieve in God.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"]That isn't what I've heard so far, it was more like an agnostic believes what you said an Atheist Agnostic does.foxhound_fox
Strong agnosticism (also called hard agnosticism, closed agnosticism, strict agnosticism, absolute agnosticism) - the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of an omnipotent God and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience.
Mild agnosticism (also called weak agnosticism, soft agnosticism, open agnosticism, empirical agnosticism, temporal agnosticism) - the view that the existence or nonexistence of God or gods is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if more evidence is available.
Apathetic agnosticism - the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of God or gods, but since any God or gods that may exist appear unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic anyway.
Pragmatic agnosticism - the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of God or gods.
Agnostic theism (also called religious agnosticism) - the view of those who do not claim to know existence of God or gods, but still believe in such an existence.
Agnostic atheism - the view of those who do not know of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods, and do not believe in them.
Ignosticism - the view that a coherent definition of God must be put forward before the question of the existence of God can meaningfully be discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of God is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "God exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against.
So your definition of Religious Agnosticism is the view of Catholics, no proof, but still belief. Right?
So your definition of Religious Agnosticism is the view of Catholics, no proof, but still belief. Right?blackngold29
My personal definition is the "mild." "The view that the existence or nonexistence of God or gods is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if more evidence is available." I do understand and recognize the difference between the others.
According to wikipedia if that is what Catholics believe then technically (based on the technical definition), they are religious agnostics.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"]So your definition of Religious Agnosticism is the view of Catholics, no proof, but still belief. Right?foxhound_fox
My personal definition is the "mild." "The view that the existence or nonexistence of God or gods is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if more evidence is available." I do understand and recognize the difference between the others.
According to wikipedia if that is what Catholics believe then technically (based on the technical definition), they are religious agnostics. Yeah, that's what I meant.
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