does Islam recieve preferential treatment?

1) Why is the criticism of Islam more taboo than the criticism of, say, Christianity?

For most people Islam=Terrorism

2) Do you think that Islam receives too many free passes and too much preferential treatment?

Sometimes yes

3) Do you think criticising Islam is too widely labeled as "politically incorrect" or "offensive?"

No

4) why are many people still hesitant to even talk about Islam?

I havin't noticed that

5) Do you think that much of criticism levied at Islam is justified/valid?

No but some of it is.

We seem to get our fair share of topics regarding Christianity (and I certainly do enjoy them), but I think Islam isn't subject to enough debate/discussion/criticism here on gamespot or an many other forums as well. People seem extra sensitive on the topic of Islam. there are some questions I would like to pose

1) Why is the criticism of Islam more taboo than the criticism of, say, Christianity?

2) Do you think that Islam receives too many free passes and too much preferential treatment?

3) Do you think criticising Islam is too widely labeled as "politically incorrect" or "offensive?"

4) why are many people still hesitant to even talk about Islam?

5) Do you think that much of criticism levied at Islam is justified/valid?

arbitor365

2) majorly, yes.

3) majorly, yes

4) because of fear.

5) most certainly.

We seem to get our fair share of topics regarding Christianity (and I certainly do enjoy them), but I think Islam isn't subject to enough debate/discussion/criticism here on gamespot or an many other forums as well. People seem extra sensitive on the topic of Islam. there are some questions I would like to pose

1) Why is the criticism of Islam more taboo than the criticism of, say, Christianity?

Probably because there are more Muslims who defend their beliefs than Christians. You have people who are willing to blow themselves up in the name of religion. Muslims also work towards passing and enforcing laws that harmonize with the Sharia law. Islam is incorporated in every aspect of a Muslim's life. It's a way of life and not just a faith. The majority of people who follow other religions don't have a problem with secular laws putting in mind that there are devout Christians, Jews and other religious people. In Israel, which is not a secular state, Jewish citizens sue the government for forcing them to close down their stores on Saturday because it goes against teachings of Judaism. Countries which apply Sharia law to an extent, force people to close down their shops during Friday prayer. I don't see people complaining about it, Muslims and none Muslims alike.

2) Do you think that Islam receives too many free passes and too much preferential treatment?

No. The majority of Muslims take action in issues which concerns them as Muslims albeit some do take it to extremes. While the world is divided into theists and athiests, Muslims like to make sure that there's a room for religion in this world.

3) Do you think criticising Islam is too widely labeled as "politically incorrect" or "offensive?"

It depends. Critisizing by throwing accusations without any basis is both offensive and politically incorrect but critisizing to ask for clarfications and further elabortation is always welcomed. Discussions are always encouraged to bridge gaps between cultures and religions and bring people together.

4) why are many people still hesitant to even talk about Islam?

I don't think there are people who are hesitant to talk about Islam. Muslims do not threat to kill people if they critisize them. As I mentioned, although some react in a rather extreme manner when someone critisizes Islam but this kind of reaction is completey understandable when the person critisizing aims to offend a large number of people.

Rallies and threats are not exlusive traits of Muslims.

5) Do you think that much of criticism levied atIslam is justified/valid?

No. I'm not aware of any justified or valid criticism of Islam. People in the West have a very vague and distorted image about Islam and the Middle East as a whole.

arbitor365

Give me one quote from the Quran which encourages muslims to kill non-muslims!t0taldj

Errr....here's three:

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." -Quran 8:12

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." -Quran 9:5

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous." -Quran 9:123

And more...

[QUOTE="t0taldj"]Give me one quote from the Quran which encourages muslims to kill non-muslims!Rekunta

Errr....here's three:

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." -Quran 8:12

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." -Quran 9:5

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous." -Quran 9:123

And more...

[QUOTE="t0taldj"]Give me one quote from the Quran which encourages muslims to kill non-muslims!Rekunta

Errr....here's three:

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." -Quran 8:12

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." -Quran 9:5

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous." -Quran 9:123

And more...

/facepalm

Please, instead of just copy-pasting small verses from surrah's try understanding and reading the entire surrah. I have read and memorized the Qu'ran by heart, here is my reply:

1.The entire part of the surrah is about war and what actions to take in war, its not about "causing war", If Muslims enter a war these verses are used as a motivation and as a guide.

2.The Qu'ran is not just a book of spirtuality, its a book of science and history too. The second verse was speaking about Mohammad's Idolator war that occured when the Idolators of Bani Quraysh declared war on mohammad. The verse was used as an encourgement and for historical purposes.

3.According to various tafsir books, especially that generally accepted among Muslims, Ibn Kathir's tafsir of the verse(In arabic) the Infidels must pose a danger before you may declare war on them.

I wish that, before people would copy paste verse claiming to be an expert on the subject, and that Islam incites violance they would at least read accepted Tafsir books about the verse and read the entire surrah.

We seem to get our fair share of topics regarding Christianity (and I certainly do enjoy them), but I think Islam isn't subject to enough debate/discussion/criticism here on gamespot or an many other forums as well. People seem extra sensitive on the topic of Islam. there are some questions I would like to pose

1) Why is the criticism of Islam more taboo than the criticism of, say, Christianity?

2) Do you think that Islam receives too many free passes and too much preferential treatment?

3) Do you think criticising Islam is too widely labeled as "politically incorrect" or "offensive?"

4) why are many people still hesitant to even talk about Islam?

5) Do you think that much of criticism levied at Islam is justified/valid?

arbitor365

Where exactly is your justification for these assertions? I don't think criticism of Islam is more taboo than that of Christianity, I don't see Islam receiving any free passes, I don't see people hesitant to bring Islam up, and no I don't think most of the criticism leveled at Islam is valid.

As to being politically correct and to your broader purpose, you're using criticism too generally. What many Christians term criticism is simply intellectual debate and/or a defense of secularism. For instance, someone says that religion shouldn't be taught in schools because there's nothing objectively valid about the Bible, that's about the furthest extent that I see most people in OT go with their "criticism." Now at times they might go further, they might bring up the Inquisition, the crusades, the witch burnings, or other atrocities commited in the name of religion. I still think this is a valid criticism as the institution of religion was directly involved in the perpetuation of these atrocities. Where I think such criticism goes too far is when people argue that such acts are inherent to a religion and its teachings, assuch are almost always counter to the teachings of Christianity as a whole.

It's the same way with Islam, I don't have any problem with people getting angry and criticizing Islam when a woman gets stoned to death for cheating. What I do have a problem with is when people take that valid criticism and try to paint the entire religion with one broad stroke, when they use such acts to "prove" that Islam is a violent religion. More often than not I find that's exactly what critics of Islam are trying to do, and I simply can't abide by it. Islam is a diverse religion with a diverse range of views and interpretations. It has over a billion followers, and the vast majority are peaceful and democratically-minded. It is also very closely tied to Judaism and Christianity and the parallels overwhelm the differences, not to mention that I think such behavior of criticizing the entire religion based on generalizations and many times complete fabrications is inherently dangerous. People seem to forget that for centuries European Jews were treated with disdain because they supposedly had an inferior religion.

I simply don't see the same parallels with criticism of Christianity. On OT, I think some of the things that are said about Islam on a regular basis would be modded if they were said about Judaism or Christianity and the posters who said those things wouldn't last long. I think some of the statements made about Islam in public would draw the attention of anti-defamation leagues if they were said about Christianity or Judaism and there would be a much larger media issue. I have neverseen anyone on OT say that Christianity is inherently evil, that it's mysogonistic and barbarous, that it's supportive of slavery and extreme punishment for minor crimes, or make any other such criticisms of the religion and get away with it. I see people say the same thing about Islam on a regular basis with no repercussions.

I live in what is often cited as the most racist country in western Europe, consequently there are very few muslims around, and if there were, they'd experience abuse like never before. A lot of people here have some unprovoked hatred for Muslims despite never encountering them before, keep in mind however that Northern Ireland is an incredibly Christian country unfortunately with a history riddled by sectarian violence. So certainly Islam doesn't receive any preferential treatment, however personally I do feel that Islam can be a little too strict and backward, then again you can point that out with most religions.

In Israel, which is not a secular state, Jewish citizens sue the government for forcing them to close down their stores on Saturday because it goes against teachings of Judaism.

gamingqueen

I know i'm being sectorial in my comment here, but, BS.

Israel is a secular state. The legality of said legislation(which is not universal, but applies to businesses w/o a state permit) was approved by the supreme court of justice in the Design 22 V. rosenzvig case. chief justice barack, in his verdict, states on several occasions- that the shut down law(Hours of labour and rest law) does not clash with the democratic process, and that the social aspect of the legislation, in promising a mandatory day off- makes it redundant to inquire whether it's unconstitutional or not, and whether there is an element of illegal religious coercion.

Not to mention that work on saturday is allowed, on several terms- one of them being a pay of atleast 150%.

Why don't you stick to the legal system of kuwait, or whatever, and steer clear of broad, untruthful statements.

I live in what is often cited as the most racist country in western Europe, consequently there are very few muslims around, and if there were, they'd experience abuse like never before. A lot of people here have some unprovoked hatred for Muslims despite never encountering them before, keep in mind however that Northern Ireland is an incredibly Christian country unfortunately with a history riddled by sectarian violence. So certainly Islam doesn't receive any preferential treatment, however personally I do feel that Islam can be a little too strict and backward, then again you can point that out with most religions.

mutual-assassin

[QUOTE="mutual-assassin"]

I live in what is often cited as the most racist country in western Europe, consequently there are very few muslims around, and if there were, they'd experience abuse like never before. A lot of people here have some unprovoked hatred for Muslims despite never encountering them before, keep in mind however that Northern Ireland is an incredibly Christian country unfortunately with a history riddled by sectarian violence. So certainly Islam doesn't receive any preferential treatment, however personally I do feel that Islam can be a little too strict and backward, then again you can point that out with most religions.

SPBoss

[QUOTE="SPBoss"][QUOTE="mutual-assassin"]

I live in what is often cited as the most racist country in western Europe, consequently there are very few muslims around, and if there were, they'd experience abuse like never before. A lot of people here have some unprovoked hatred for Muslims despite never encountering them before, keep in mind however that Northern Ireland is an incredibly Christian country unfortunately with a history riddled by sectarian violence. So certainly Islam doesn't receive any preferential treatment, however personally I do feel that Islam can be a little too strict and backward, then again you can point that out with most religions.

mutual-assassin

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

In Israel, which is not a secular state, Jewish citizens sue the government for forcing them to close down their stores on Saturday because it goes against teachings of Judaism.

grape_of_wrath

I know i'm being sectorial in my comment here, but, BS.

Israel is a secular state. The legality of said legislation(which is not universal, but applies to businesses w/o a state permit) was approved by the supreme court of justice in the Design 22 V. rosenzvig case. chief justice barack, in his verdict, states on several occasions- that the shut down law(Hours of labour and rest law) does not clash with the democratic process, and that the social aspect of the legislation, in promising a mandatory day off- makes it redundant to inquire whether it's unconstitutional or not, and whether there is an element of illegal religious coercion.

Not to mention that work on saturday is allowed, on several terms- one of them being a pay of atleast 150%.

Why don't you stick to the legal system of kuwait, or whatever, and steer clear of broad, untruthful statements.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

In Israel, which is not a secular state, Jewish citizens sue the government for forcing them to close down their stores on Saturday because it goes against teachings of Judaism.

I know i'm being sectorial in my comment here, but, BS.

Israel is a secular state. The legality of said legislation(which is not universal, but applies to businesses w/o a state permit) was approved by the supreme court of justice in the Design 22 V. rosenzvig case. chief justice barack, in his verdict, states on several occasions- that the shut down law(Hours of labour and rest law) does not clash with the democratic process, and that the social aspect of the legislation, in promising a mandatory day off- makes it redundant to inquire whether it's unconstitutional or not, and whether there is an element of illegal religious coercion.

Not to mention that work on saturday is allowed, on several terms- one of them being a pay of atleast 150%.

Why don't you stick to the legal system of kuwait, or whatever, and steer clear of broad, untruthful statements.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

In Israel, which is not a secular state, Jewish citizens sue the government for forcing them to close down their stores on Saturday because it goes against teachings of Judaism.

grape_of_wrath

I know i'm being sectorial in my comment here, but, BS.

Israel is a secular state. The legality of said legislation(which is not universal, but applies to businesses w/o a state permit) was approved by the supreme court of justice in the Design 22 V. rosenzvig case. chief justice barack, in his verdict, states on several occasions- that the shut down law(Hours of labour and rest law) does not clash with the democratic process, and that the social aspect of the legislation, in promising a mandatory day off- makes it redundant to inquire whether it's unconstitutional or not, and whether there is an element of illegal religious coercion.

Not to mention that work on saturdayis allowed, on several terms- one of them being a pay of atleast 150%.

Why don't you stick to the legal system of kuwait, or whatever, and steer clear of broad, untruthful statements.

Israel is defined a Jewish Democratic State by the government according to Wikipedia so it's not a secular state. It's an uncodified constitutional law that no law that goes against the teachings of Judasim shall be passed. The fact that you digged up that very case proves my point even more. There were several cases filed against the gov. regarding that law by none practising Jews.

Laws and regulations of countries around the globe happens to be in my feild of interest since I'm a lawyer grapes. I wasn't trying to offend your country. Infact I use Israel as an example of a strong none secular state in my arguments. The point is, you don't care whether KFC in London has kosher food or not. We do.

Chill :P

[QUOTE="mutual-assassin"]

[QUOTE="SPBoss"] Irish people are less racist and more open than british people.. thats what I think as a LondonerSPBoss

[QUOTE="SPBoss"][QUOTE="mutual-assassin"]Yes, well half the population of Northern Ireland don't even see themselves as Irish, but rather British. Across the border they do seem to be much friendlier and open, but Northern Ireland's society is one filled with much more hate and discrimination. Considering that 20 years ago Catholics were facing discrimination, Northern Ireland is very much behind the times with the idea of a multicultural society.

mutual-assassin

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]

I know i'm being sectorial in my comment here, but, BS.

Israel is a secular state. The legality of said legislation(which is not universal, but applies to businesses w/o a state permit) was approved by the supreme court of justice in the Design 22 V. rosenzvig case. chief justice barack, in his verdict, states on several occasions- that the shut down law(Hours of labour and rest law) does not clash with the democratic process, and that the social aspect of the legislation, in promising a mandatory day off- makes it redundant to inquire whether it's unconstitutional or not, and whether there is an element of illegal religious coercion.

Not to mention that work on saturday is allowed, on several terms- one of them being a pay of atleast 150%.

Why don't you stick to the legal system of kuwait, or whatever, and steer clear of broad, untruthful statements.

grape_of_wrath

That's gUlf. Kuwait and yes I do have an LLB and I'm outta here before you throw me with bricks.

Israel is defined a Jewish Democratic State by the government according to Wikipedia so it's not a secular state. It's an uncodified constitutional law that no law that goes against the teachings of Judasim shall be passed. The fact that you digged up that very case proves my point even more. There were several cases filed against the gov. regarding that law by none practising Jews.

Laws and regulations of countries around the globe happens to be in my feild of interest since I'm a lawyer grapes. I wasn't trying to offend your country. Infact I use Israel as an example of a strong none secular state in my arguments. The point is, you don't care whether KFC in London has kosher food or not. We do.

Chill :P

gamingqueen

1)Judaism=/= only a religion. It's a name of an ethnicity. by defining itself Jewish- it makes itself, a self-declared,nation-state. Just like germany, poland and a myriad of other, secualr, democratic, states.

2)The Israeli judicial system works on biding legal precedents- the design 22 case is, currently, the dogma. Other instances do not matter for the purpose of this discussion. Since we are dealing with a biding precedent.

3)I'm an Israeli law student. The laws and regulations of Israel happen to be my field of interest.

4)I don't eat kosher. and the majority of the population of Israel is the secular, non-practicing,public.

5)How can I chill when a law professional interested in international law, the first that should know the facts, is filled with such disinformation?

^)**** GS and all it's glitches.

That's gUlf. gamingqueen

And i'm fresh outa' bricks.

It's an uncodified constitutional law that no law that goes against the teachings of Judasim shall be passed.

gamingqueen

How did I miss that?

Can you tell me where you got this piece of.....well, you know...?

When the material constitution of Israel starts being bound by the talmud-we stop being a democracy in every meaning possible.