It's been awhile since I visited OT, I remember there was alot of metalheads in this forum who hated my obession with Taylor Swift. Though at that time I wasn't a fan of any of this metal thing, but now I love it, Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, Carnnibal Corpse etc. So any legions of metal left? Or did they, left?
[QUOTE="JML897"]I like Ghost (BC), Baroness, Mastodon, and Black Sabbath I think that's itJML897
If you dig those bands there's seriously a lot of rich soil you can be digging through.
Yeah I don't doubt that. I admittedly know nothing about metal
Well if you dig Baroness and Mastodon then you should check out Neurosis, they're pretty much the forefathers of the niche that Mastodon and Baroness inhabit. Just avoid their first couple of albums, 'Pain of Mind' and 'The Word As Law', as those albums aren't very good and their sound hadn't really solidified yet. Personally I'd recommend 'Times of Grace' as the best Neurosis album (or at least as my particular favorite).
(As an aside: Scott Kelly, of Neurosis, has contributed vocals to a few Mastodon tracks.)
Naw. I'm not a fan of the constant screaming.Ackad
I'm just getting into metal but I'm starting to think this is the metal equivalent of when people complain about hip-hop "talking about nothing but money and hoes" That band Ghost that I mentioned earlier have less screaming than Bloc Party's Silent Alarm does
Well if you dig Baroness and Mastodon then you should check out Neurosis, they're pretty much the forefathers of the niche that Mastodon and Baroness inhabit. Just avoid their first couple of albums, 'Pain of Mind' and 'The Word As Law', as those albums aren't very good and their sound hadn't really solidified yet. Personally I'd recommend 'Times of Grace' as the best Neurosis album (or at least as my particular favorite).
(As an aside: Scott Kelly, of Neurosis, has contributed vocals to a few Mastodon tracks.)
worlock77
Awesome, thanks. I'll listen to Times of Grace on spotify tonight
[QUOTE="worlock77"]Well if you dig Baroness and Mastodon then you should check out Neurosis, they're pretty much the forefathers of the niche that Mastodon and Baroness inhabit. Just avoid their first couple of albums, 'Pain of Mind' and 'The Word As Law', as those albums aren't very good and their sound hadn't really solidified yet. Personally I'd recommend 'Times of Grace' as the best Neurosis album (or at least as my particular favorite).
(As an aside: Scott Kelly, of Neurosis, has contributed vocals to a few Mastodon tracks.)
JML897
Awesome, thanks. I'll listen to Times of Grace on spotify tonight
My pleasure. Always happy for a chance to plug Neurosis.
It depends. I can't stand the growling/screaming crap people listen to to seem hardcore. I keep it classic like Iron Maiden, Metallica, and Megadeth. I love metal in that aspect. I'm also a big fan of Dream Theater.
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Naw. I'm not a fan of the constant screaming.
DO YOU WANT TO BE MY LOVER-ERR-ERRR-ERRRR????!!!!!!!! YEAAAOOOOWW!!Ackad
A ton (probably much mroe than half) of metal has clean vocals. Also, metalcore isn't metal, it's garbage.
I'd say that OT has a pretty significant amount of metal fans. I, however, dislike the majority of metal because I either find most bands to be depressing or cheesy. I do like Kyuss, however, but they're considered borderline metal. And I'm just gonna say this: Metal has one of the stupidest fanbases out of every genre in music.
It depends. I can't stand the growling/screaming crap people listen to to seem hardcore. I keep it classic like Iron Maiden, Metallica, and Megadeth. I love metal in that aspect. I'm also a big fan of Dream Theater.
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[QUOTE="Ackad"]Naw. I'm not a fan of the constant screaming.
DO YOU WANT TO BE MY LOVER-ERR-ERRR-ERRRR????!!!!!!!! YEAAAOOOOWW!!Toxic-Seahorse
A ton (probably much mroe than half) of metal has clean vocals. Also, metalcore isn't metal, it's garbage. Whoa now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRbnY8EK4Ew
Some of it does, but even in the bands that do have it, screaming is there often. I'm talking clean vocals as in the songs are all clean vocals and feature no screaming.Question, Do you know the difference between screaming vocals and growling vocals? Indeed I do, I just lump everything into the term "screaming" to shorten my posts.
Hell yes. Just a few of my faves. (as of late) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDVAmUU21sM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc98u-eGzlc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhkpCjmXHTU
It depends. I can't stand the growling/screaming crap people listen to to seem hardcore. I keep it classic like Iron Maiden, Metallica, and Megadeth. I love metal in that aspect. I'm also a big fan of Dream Theater.
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[QUOTE="Ackad"]Naw. I'm not a fan of the constant screaming.
DO YOU WANT TO BE MY LOVER-ERR-ERRR-ERRRR????!!!!!!!! YEAAAOOOOWW!!00-Riddick-00
A ton (probably much mroe than half) of metal has clean vocals. Also, metalcore isn't metal, it's garbage. Whoa now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRbnY8EK4Ew
(metalcore has clean vocals too)
Some of it does, but even in the bands that do have it, screaming is there often. I'm talking clean vocals as in the songs are all clean vocals and feature no screaming.
Some of it does, but even in the bands that do have it, screaming is there often. I'm talking clean vocals as in the songs are all clean vocals and feature no screaming.Question, Do you know the difference between screaming vocals and growling vocals?
Of course, lately I haven't been able to stop listening to this...
Toxic-Seahorse
What The F*ck did I just listen to? How is that appealing at all?
- Fantastic, crushing, catchy guitar riffs and impressive 'shredding' throughout - First 30 seconds are godly - It's extremely groovey
It's like Slayer, except this is a lot faster, a lot heavier, a lot more technical, has more guttural vocals, and has more catchy moments/grooves. Ever listen to Slayer?
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Do you like fast and technical guitar playing? Fast, technical drumming? Epic riffs? Are you open minded towards different styles of vocals? If you like all these things, you should listen to death metal. It's a lot more impressive than Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Metallica, etc. if you're listening to it with the right mindset.
[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] What The F*ck did I just listen to? How is that appealing at all?
Toxic-Seahorse
- Fantastic, crushing, catchy guitar riffs and impressive 'shredding' throughout - First 30 seconds are godly - It's extremely groovey
It's like Slayer, except this is a lot faster, a lot heavier, a lot more technical, has more guttural vocals, and has more catchy moments/grooves. Ever listen to Slayer?
Did you really just try to compare that with Slayer? Catchy riffs? I don't hear any at all. A catchy riff would be something like in 2 minutes to midnight. The drums are beyond annoying, constant double bass masks a lack of actual talent. Also, there isn't any impressive shredding in the song that I can hear. The be quite blunt,t he song sounds like crap, just a bunch of really low noise. Stuff like that song is what gives metal a bad name. Most riffs in the song are insanely catchy. 2 Minutes to Midnight is catchy too, but less on a rhythmic level and more on a melodic level. I honestly don't think any Iron Maiden comes close to this song in terms of catchiness (for me). Double bass doesn't mask anything, you clearly know very little about metal drumming. I feel sorry for your ears. :P There's a lot more to this song than 2 Minutes to Midnight :lol:.
The drumming is amazing by the way. Nicko McBrain couldn't drum like this if his life depended on it...
Double bass doesn't mask anything, you clearly know very little about metal drumming. I feel sorry for your ears. :P There's a lot more to this song than 2 Minutes to Midnight :lol:.
The drumming is amazing by the way. KHAndAnime
There is definitely more to that song than 2 minutes to midnight, there is no denying that, but that more stuff doesn't add anything good. If you want somrthing technical, look at Dream Theater, that's how to be very technical without it sounding like complete crap. I also never said that Iron maiden's drummer is better yet yous eem to insinuate that I did. Iron Maiden isn't the only band I listen to you know... The drumming isn't amazing at all. Other than the stupidly fast constant double bass (which sounds like crap but does seem difficult) the drumming is pretty subpar, especially since the drum set is pretty lackluster. Also uses a double bas pedal instead of two bass drums like most excellent drummers do. There are no difficult time signatures or time signature changes either. You asked me if I knew about metal drumming but it seems like you don't.
[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Double bass doesn't mask anything, you clearly know very little about metal drumming. I feel sorry for your ears. :P There's a lot more to this song than 2 Minutes to Midnight :lol:.
The drumming is amazing by the way. KHAndAnime
There is definitely more to that song than 2 minutes to midnight, there is no denying that, but that more stuff doesn't add anything good. If you want somrthing technical, look at Dream Theater, that's how to be very technical without it sounding like complete crap. I also never said that Iron maiden's drummer is better yet yous eem to insinuate that I did. Iron Maiden isn't the only band I listen to you know... The drumming isn't amazing at all. Other than the stupidly fast constant double bass (which sounds like crap but does seem difficult) the drumming is pretty subpar, especially since the drum set is pretty lackluster. Also uses a double bas pedal instead of two bass drums like most excellent drummers do. There are no difficult time signatures or time signature changes either. You asked me if I knew about metal drumming but it seems like you don't. Dream Theater isn't very technical at all, they're just progressive. And with a comment like that, you have a lot to learn. :P I knew you wouldn't actually add anything after that.
Also, this is truly difficult drumming. difficult beyond belief with tons of time signature changes on a real drum set. No it doesn't feature constant double bass and it's not super fast, but that's not good drumming anyways. You can act like your song's drumming is amazing but there is a reason Mike Portnoy is world renowned.
If you're arguing pure speed and such, Davide Billia destroys all in drumming. If you want variety and more than just blastbeats, hammerblasts, gravs, etc., then there's plenty of great drummers out there: Jamie St. Merat, Derek Roddy, and I'd like to argue Alex Hernandez. Zach Hill is also fantastic outside of metal.
Funniest post I've read here in the past week. Keep it up, Toxic!
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Saturos3091
Care to dispute my claim? Just as a note, I never said they were the most technical or anything like that, just that they're more technical than the shit that was posted. It seems to be a common theme here to take stuff out of context. Also note that "technical" can be quite subjective.
[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Funniest post I've read here in the past week. Keep it up, Toxic!
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Toxic-Seahorse
Care to dispute my claim? Just as a note, I never said they were the most technical or anything like that, just that they're more technical than the shit that was posted. It seems to be a common theme here to take stuff out of context. Also note that "technical" can be quite subjective.I don't really need to dispute your claim. I just found it humorous that you recommended Dream Theater, one of the most mundane scale-humping prog bands in existence. Then again progressive metal has no balls at all so I can't really call myself a big fan. I do enjoy the occasional extreme progressive metal band though.
Then again progressive metal has no balls at all so I can't really call myself a big fan.Saturos3091
This explains everything. Thanks for that. Not hardcore enough right? You need more hardcore music because you're such a super hardcore guy. I get it. :P
Seriously though, I have an actual question. What genre is the song KH posted? Is that death metal, metalcore, hardcore, or what? There's so many damn sub-genres of metal now it's hard to keep track.
If you're arguing pure speed and such, Davide Billia destroys all in drumming. If you want variety and more than just blastbeats, hammerblasts, gravs, etc., then there's plenty of great drummers out there: Jamie St. Merat, Derek Roddy, and I'd like to argue Alex Hernandez. Zach Hill is also fantastic outside of metal.
KHAndAnime
No way man. The new Wormed is supreme metal album of 2013. I'm sticking to it. I've already listened to the album 100 times and I'm sure I'll listen to it 1000 more. I'm attempting to learn one of the songs on guitar, but it's literally going to take me months before I can play it fluently. :P But the new Katalepsy is incredibly good. I'd give Autopsychosis 9/10 and Exodromos 9.5/10. I have both albums constantly blasting in my car. I'm also really digging the new Defeated Sanity, and heavily anticipating the new 7 H. Target albums (both of them), and of course the new Gorguts. It's going to be an incredibly good year for metal. Haha huge Wormed fan I see. Pretty sure I've seen you on M-A posting about it too. That's cool though, it's definitely not a bad album to rep unlike half the garbage the labels are pumping out this year - looking at you Ghost B.C. and all the other generic revival heavy metal/doom bands...
I'm pretty pumped for the new 7H. and Gorguts albums as well. I thought Defeated Sanity was disappointingly average after a few listens. It's appeal wore off fast for me. I don't think they'll ever top Psalms.
[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] There is definitely more to that song than 2 minutes to midnight, there is no denying that, but that more stuff doesn't add anything good. If you want somrthing technical, look at Dream Theater, that's how to be very technical without it sounding like complete crap. I also never said that Iron maiden's drummer is better yet yous eem to insinuate that I did. Iron Maiden isn't the only band I listen to you know... The drumming isn't amazing at all. Other than the stupidly fast constant double bass (which sounds like crap but does seem difficult) the drumming is pretty subpar, especially since the drum set is pretty lackluster. Also uses a double bas pedal instead of two bass drums like most excellent drummers do. There are no difficult time signatures or time signature changes either. You asked me if I knew about metal drumming but it seems like you don't.
Toxic-Seahorse
Dream Theater isn't very technical at all, they're just progressive. And with a comment like that, you have a lot to learn. :P I knew you wouldn't actually add anything after that.
Also, this is truly difficult drumming. difficult beyond belief with tons of time signature changes on a real drum set. No it doesn't feature constant double bass and it's not super fast, but that's not good drumming anyways. You can act like your song's drumming is amazing but there is a reason Mike Portnoy is world renowned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX_L3ziFSFw
Mike Portnoy is really good but I don't personally don't rate him very highly on my metal drummer's list. Hell, I find this guy's playing way more impressive
[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] I knew you wouldn't actually add anything after that.
Also, this is truly difficult drumming. difficult beyond belief with tons of time signature changes on a real drum set. No it doesn't feature constant double bass and it's not super fast, but that's not good drumming anyways. You can act like your song's drumming is amazing but there is a reason Mike Portnoy is world renowned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX_L3ziFSFw
Toxic-Seahorse
Mike Portnoy is good but I don't personally don't rate him very highly on my metal drummer's list. Hell, I find this guy's playing way more impressive Yeah, I never said he was the best or one of the best, I was just giving an example of a drummer playing an insanely difficult song. The Dance of Eternity has so many time signature changes it's ridiculous. As for your video, he's definitely really good, but I feel it's easier to be that good and fast when you have such a small set. Portnoy is way more dynamic and that has to count for something. I think Portnoy is less dynamic. His playing, particularly in that video you linked, was pretty plain. Aside from the time signature changes, there's really not all that much going on. I don't want to be a dick, but his drumming is pretty repetitive actually. It's just not incredibly detailed drumwork.Â
[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] Mike Portnoy is good but I don't personally don't rate him very highly on my metal drummer's list. Hell, I find this guy's playing way more impressive
KHAndAnime
Yeah, I never said he was the best or one of the best, I was just giving an example of a drummer playing an insanely difficult song. The Dance of Eternity has so many time signature changes it's ridiculous. As for your video, he's definitely really good, but I feel it's easier to be that good and fast when you have such a small set. Portnoy is way more dynamic and that has to count for something. I think Portnoy is less dynamic. His playing, particularly in that video you linked, was pretty plain. Aside from the time signature changes, there's really not all that much going on. His drumming is pretty repetitive actually. I fail to see how it is pretty repetitive with so many time signature changes, that kinda contradicts itself .Also, all drumming is going to have some type of repetitiveness if you're in a band. I feel liek yout hink there isn't much going on because it's not fast. Hitting a couple of drums fast is a lot simpler than hitting all of the different drums he has.
[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] This explains everything. Thanks for that. Not hardcore enough right? You need more hardcore music because you're such a super hardcore guy. I get it. Seriously though, I have an actual question. What genre is the song KH posted? Is that death metal or what? There's so many damns ub-genres of metal now it's hard to keep track.Toxic-Seahorse
It's groovy brutal death metal. The subgenre tag is "brutal death metal." Like Suffocation, kind of. I don't care that prog metal has no balls. I listen to indie pop, acoustic free folk, and post punk on a regular basis. It's just that noodling a scale on guitar and using a metaphorical washing machine as a preamp only makes Dream Theater's music sound just that much more sterile. They leave nothing to the imagination with their music and it just comes off as formulaic and uninspired. I haven't heard the majority of their early material but I don't think I'd particularly care for it despite it being more legitimate than the turds they've been pumping out these past few years. Well I would highly recommend listening to their earlier albums (especially Images and Words, and Metropolis pt. 2) because their more recent albums with the exception of their latest one, were subpar and did seem uninspired at some times. My main problem is that you said progressive metal has no balls, as if super dropped tuning, growling like a moron, and constant double bass makes something more manly.... In a way, it does. :P It's really not about being manly though. It's just about having more energy. Dream Theater sounds like a band of lethargics compared to many other metal bands out there. Their music really lacks "bite". And if you seek a lot of energy and "bite" in your music, you can't settle for less than extreme metal. :D
[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] Yeah, I never said he was the best or one of the best, I was just giving an example of a drummer playing an insanely difficult song. The Dance of Eternity has so many time signature changes it's ridiculous. As for your video, he's definitely really good, but I feel it's easier to be that good and fast when you have such a small set. Portnoy is way more dynamic and that has to count for something. Toxic-Seahorse
I think Portnoy is less dynamic. His playing, particularly in that video you linked, was pretty plain. Aside from the time signature changes, there's really not all that much going on. His drumming is pretty repetitive actually. I fail to see how it is pretty repetitive with so many time signature changes, that kinda contradicts itself .Also, all drumming is going to have some type of repetitiveness if you're in a band. I feel liek yout hink there isn't much going on because it's not fast. Hitting a couple of drums fast is a lot simpler than hitting all of the different drums he has.
What I'm trying to say is that the rhythms he uses for each time signature is plain. It's far from contradictory. Despite Portnoy's gratuitious drum set, he's only using a few of them per rhythm aside from when he's doing fills. On top of that, the double-kick work is plain jane. It's not about going fast, his drumming just lacks variety and isn't incredibly rhythmic to my ears.
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EDIT: But you're right, we aren't going to go anywhere with our arguments. We're talking about different styles of drumming here. :)
Also not all music that is looking to evoke energy through instrumentation needs to be so lifeless. Jazz is a great example (think of all the boppers and flappers). This song for example has a ton of energy. But yeah I do get what you're saying in regards to progressive music and it's goals.
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