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#51 warbmxjohn
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Size doesn't really matter, sure it is a factor, but not an absolute factor.

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#52 Paladin_King
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

[QUOTE="Vfanek"]Two fights in the school yard? Experience doesn't lie, you do though.joshrocks2245

:lol: Don't go assuming things now...Really,just don't.

He assumed I'm a punk and I've only been in a few street fights. The other guy assumed it took me 10 minutes to beat up some guy. I don't know why people make up things on here when they don't even know me.

Not my fault if your post was poorly written. By the way, I thought you said you were going to stay out of this thread? That you'd given up on it? Welcome back. I assume you're here to discuss your training?

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#53 Gallion-Beast
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Weight makes more difference than height.
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#54 Paladin_King
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Weight makes more difference than height.Gallion-Beast
Definitely. Granted, he's a not the norm, but look at Jeff Monson. Guy's 5'9 and is pushing 250 lbs of pure muscle. That makes for some rough takedowns.
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#55 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

There's a reason why professional fighting matches are paired up by weight.

Attacks by lighter people will just bounce off the heavier person.

Those are people of close to equal skill most times, as well as a set standard of rules.. You pit some one like a Special ops Marine against a fighter who has 50 lbs on him but is in a fighting sport, say boxing.. He will lose badely.. The marine uses techniques that are A) not allowed B) are ment to kill your opponent or to break bones.. Size does not matter most times if you know what your doing, against a average guy you can make him go down on his knees by bending a few fingers to the breaking point..
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#56 Gallion-Beast
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

There's a reason why professional fighting matches are paired up by weight.

Attacks by lighter people will just bounce off the heavier person.

Those are people of close to equal skill most times, as well as a set standard of rules.. You pit some one like a Special ops Marine against a fighter who has 50 lbs on him but is in a fighting sport, say boxing.. He will lose badely.. The marine uses techniques that are A) not allowed B) are ment to kill your opponent or to break bones.. Size does not matter most times if you know what your doing, against a average guy you can make him go down on his knees by bending a few fingers to the breaking point..

So size doesn't matter if there's another variable with an overwhelming difference? Well duh, no one said it was the one and only deciding factor, it still matters.
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#57 superhaloworld
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[QUOTE="solid_mario"][QUOTE="clembo1990"] Bruce LeePaladin_King
I think it would be fair to say that Bruce Lee did so well because he was so skilled and knew how to get the most out of himself. By pushing himself to the limit he was able to compete against those who had an advantage over him.

That's the thing, it all depends on skill level. If a very skilled 170 pounder took on an unskilled 260lb street brawler, the 170 lber would win pretty much every time. Even if the 170 lber is simply MORE trained/skilled, he can win. Royce Gracie in the early days of the UFC basically proved this. The problem comes when both guys are of a roughly equal skill level or are trained in the same martial arts. THEN size becomes a big problem. a 170 pound collegiate wrestler just isn't going to beat a 260 pound collegiate wrestler. Similarly, as the recent Shinya Aoki/Fedor Emelianenko grappling contest goes, a 155 pound world class grappler is going to have some difficulties fighting a world class 230 pound grappler. Similarly, if a totally unskilled, untrained 155 pound guy were to fight a totally unskilled, untrained 230 pounder, he would probably be murdered. Skill comes before size, but where the skill is equal or even remotely similar, size makes all the difference.

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#58 modestkraut1291
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[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"] Yup, especially as how almost every fight i've ever seen ends up with the two idiots "clinching," or trying to grab a hold of each other at some point. If you're way bigger, you'll just toss the other dude and pound the living crap out of him. Also, obviously your strikes we'll have a lot more force.Paladin_King

I'm a skinny guy, and if some big guy was pushing me away I could just keep running towards him and trying to take him out, I would never get tired cause I'm skinny and I have no fat. Really big people can't run fast, and they can't move fast so I could easily defeat a guy bigger then me.

It doesn't matter if he can punch hard, I can easily dodge anything. So size does not matter in a fight, it would actually be harder to fight someone who is my size rather then a guy who is bigger then me.

Um...no offence...but have you been in a lot of fights? He's huge, so he wouldn't just "push you away," he'd push you over, you'd fall on the ground, he'd swarm you, get on top of you, and beat the living hell out of you. Kind of hard to "run away" if a huge guy is sitting on you beating your face in. I hate to break it to you, but you are not that fast. Unless you have formal martial arts training of some sort, you are not Keanu Reeves from the Matrix. Without proper training, you cannot dodge every single punch he throws (and if he connects with one clean, you're out), you cannot get back up fast enough to escape him swarming you if he pushes you over, which he will. You cannot get away if he swarms you period, even if he just pushes you away and not down.

The only advantage an untrained combatant has speed wise is to....well, turn right around and sprint as fast away from the big guy as possible, which obviously is the opposite of fighting.

You can't "easily dodge anything." i take it you're a trained boxer/kickboxer then? Also the idea of "running towards him again and again is just ludicrous, as is the idea that skinny guys can NEVER get tired. I honestly don't think you have any idea of what you're talking about. A

lso, if you're really that skinny, how's your punching power? Speed also doesn't make a bit of difference unless you're trained in how to use it (how to dodge punches....how to exploit your faster handspeed, learning footwork and head movement in general...), in which case, as i said earlier in the thread, training trumps size unless the big guy is also trained.

Once again, weight cla(sses exist for a reason.

Lol sounds like the fights ive been in.

fyi I'm the big guy :P

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#59 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] Just talking out of experience,that's all.Lto_thaG

Two fights in the school yard? Experience doesn't lie, you do though.

:lol: Don't go assuming things now...Really,just don't.

Then enlighten me :)
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I'm sure if this dude was sober he would've whooped your ass.Kikouken
we both where buzzed lol.
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#61 Nolan16
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[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]Weight makes more difference than height.Paladin_King
Definitely. Granted, he's a not the norm, but look at Jeff Monson. Guy's 5'9 and is pushing 250 lbs of pure muscle. That makes for some rough takedowns.

and i wasn't trying to show how manly i'm because the fast was i wasn't i was afraid at first.
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#62 curono
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I think size helps but doesnt always decide a fight.

Strength, speed, and wit are the deciding factors usually.

modestkraut1291
Agreed. Samurais are the proof of it. Guys who are about 1.6meters tall but considered the elite in fighting should give a point.
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#63 Paladin_King
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[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="modestkraut1291"]

I think size helps but doesnt always decide a fight.

Strength, speed, and wit are the deciding factors usually.

Agreed. Samurais are the proof of it. Guys who are about 1.6meters tall but considered the elite in fighting should give a point.

To be fair, they had weapons and were more often than not going up against guys of similar size.
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#64 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="modestkraut1291"]

I think size helps but doesnt always decide a fight.

Strength, speed, and wit are the deciding factors usually.

Agreed. Samurais are the proof of it. Guys who are about 1.6meters tall but considered the elite in fighting should give a point.

To be fair, they had weapons and were more often than not going up against guys of similar size.

And they were very well trained.
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#65 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

[QUOTE="Vfanek"]Two fights in the school yard? Experience doesn't lie, you do though.Vfanek

:lol: Don't go assuming things now...Really,just don't.

Then enlighten me :)

That's a whole other thing.I can only tell you that I have been in fights with guys that were a lot more taller than me..and that didn't stop me from beating thjem.Needless to say..I didn't win all the time.
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#66 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] :lol: Don't go assuming things now...Really,just don't.

Lto_thaG

Then enlighten me :)

That's a whole other thing.I can only tell you that I have been in fights with guys that were a lot more taller than me..and that didn't stop me from beating thjem.Needless to say..I didn't win all the time.

A few street brawls in other words.

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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"][QUOTE="Vfanek"] Then enlighten me :)Vfanek

That's a whole other thing.I can only tell you that I have been in fights with guys that were a lot more taller than me..and that didn't stop me from beating thjem.Needless to say..I didn't win all the time.

A few street brawls in other words.

They are part of some,yes. What?Do I need to have participated in professional wrestling matches,now?
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#68 Nolan16
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] That's a whole other thing.I can only tell you that I have been in fights with guys that were a lot more taller than me..and that didn't stop me from beating thjem.Needless to say..I didn't win all the time.Lto_thaG

A few street brawls in other words.

They are part of some,yes. What?Do I need to have participated in professional wrestling matches,now?

how big are you?
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"][QUOTE="Vfanek"] A few street brawls in other words.

Nolan16

They are part of some,yes. What?Do I need to have participated in professional wrestling matches,now?

how big are you?

5' 7".

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#70 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] That's a whole other thing.I can only tell you that I have been in fights with guys that were a lot more taller than me..and that didn't stop me from beating thjem.Needless to say..I didn't win all the time.Lto_thaG

A few street brawls in other words.

They are part of some,yes. What?Do I need to have participated in professional wrestling matches,now?

No, but you shouldn't join a combat related argument if you've only fought few folks who just finished their bottle of vodka.
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No, but you shouldn't join a combat related argument if you've only fought few folks who just finished their bottle of vodka.Vfanek

Yeesh,here you go again assuming things.

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#72 Nolan16
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[QUOTE="Nolan16"][QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] They are part of some,yes. What?Do I need to have participated in professional wrestling matches,now?Lto_thaG

how big are you?

5' 7".

oh well yeah your smaller then iam i'm guessing you dont weight over 200 pounds either probably 160-170? so your the ultimate underdog lol.
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#73 Lto_thaG
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oh well yeah your smaller then iam i'm guessing you dont weight over 200 pounds either probably 160-170? so your the ultimate underdog lol.Nolan16

About 150-160.

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#74 Nolan16
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[QUOTE="Nolan16"] oh well yeah your smaller then iam i'm guessing you dont weight over 200 pounds either probably 160-170? so your the ultimate underdog lol.Lto_thaG


About 150-160.

yeah thats light

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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

[QUOTE="Nolan16"] oh well yeah your smaller then iam i'm guessing you dont weight over 200 pounds either probably 160-170? so your the ultimate underdog lol.Nolan16


About 150-160.

yeah thats light

im sure thats enough...

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#76 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]No, but you shouldn't join a combat related argument if you've only fought few folks who just finished their bottle of vodka.Lto_thaG


Yeesh,here you go again assuming things.

Why shouldn't I? There must be some reason you're even trying to argue that size doesn't matter.

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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

[QUOTE="Vfanek"]No, but you shouldn't join a combat related argument if you've only fought few folks who just finished their bottle of vodka.Vfanek


Yeesh,here you go again assuming things.

Why shouldn't I? There must be some reason you're even trying to argue that size doesn't matter.

Yea,because of experience..that's why.I know that size does not matter.I stand by my point.

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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]
Yeesh,here you go again assuming things.

Lto_thaG

Why shouldn't I? There must be some reason you're even trying to argue that size doesn't matter.

Yea,because of experience..that's why.I know that size does not matter.I stand by my point.

By saying that you're showing you have none. If you'd ever grappled, you would've known size matters. If you've ever been punched or kicked, you would've known size matters. If you've ever.. Nah nevermind.

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By saying that you're showing you have none. If you'd ever grappled, you would've known size matters. If you've ever been punched or kicked, you would've known size matters. If you've ever.. Nah nevermind.

Vfanek


I don't feel like elaborating on my experiences.I know that size does not matter.
Maybe it's something that depends on a person,for me..Size just doesn't matter.

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#80 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]

By saying that you're showing you have none. If you'd ever grappled, you would've known size matters. If you've ever been punched or kicked, you would've known size matters. If you've ever.. Nah nevermind.

Lto_thaG


I don't feel like elaborating on my experiences.I know that size does not matter.
Maybe it's something that depends on a person,for me..Size just doesn't matter.

Then explain why there are weight divisions in boxing and MMA for example?

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There's all kinds of ways to be succesful in a fight, you just have to be really good in those certain ways. If you're just a big fat slab of meat and get into a fight with Jet Li you'll probbaly have your ass kicked... Technique, stamina, agression, are all important. So does size matter? Perhaps sometimes it does, but there's all sorts of other things that matter.

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#82 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

[QUOTE="Vfanek"]

By saying that you're showing you have none. If you'd ever grappled, you would've known size matters. If you've ever been punched or kicked, you would've known size matters. If you've ever.. Nah nevermind.

Vfanek


I don't feel like elaborating on my experiences.I know that size does not matter.
Maybe it's something that depends on a person,for me..Size just doesn't matter.

Then explain why there are weight divisions in boxing and MMA for example?

Whoa,don't comment on any of that.I'm talking about your standard fight here.I don't put people into weight division in my life.

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#83 kiniky
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size does matter
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#84 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]
I don't feel like elaborating on my experiences.I know that size does not matter.
Maybe it's something that depends on a person,for me..Size just doesn't matter.

Lto_thaG

Then explain why there are weight divisions in boxing and MMA for example?

Whoa,don't comment on any of that.I'm talking about your standard fight here.I don't put people into weight division in my life.

People are people, professional or not. A fight is a fight, professional or not. While a street brawl will (most likely) have two inexperienced fighters, the laws of physics still apply. A heavier person hits harder, his weight is used to his advantage during grappling. So, why does professional fighting have weight divisions? Again, a fight is a fight.

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#85 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

[QUOTE="Vfanek"] Then explain why there are weight divisions in boxing and MMA for example?

Vfanek

Whoa,don't comment on any of that.I'm talking about your standard fight here.I don't put people into weight division in my life.

People are people, professional or not. A fight is a fight, professional or not. While a street brawl will (most likely) have two inexperienced fighters, the laws of physics still apply. A heavier person hits harder, his weight is used to his advantage during grappling. So, why does professional fighting have weight divisions? Again, a fight is a fight.


Correct.But I've beaten a lot of heavier and taller guys.So what goes on then?I'm the small one.

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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] Whoa,don't comment on any of that.I'm talking about your standard fight here.I don't put people into weight division in my life.

Lto_thaG

People are people, professional or not. A fight is a fight, professional or not. While a street brawl will (most likely) have two inexperienced fighters, the laws of physics still apply. A heavier person hits harder, his weight is used to his advantage during grappling. So, why does professional fighting have weight divisions? Again, a fight is a fight.


Correct.But I've beaten a lot of heavier and taller guys.So what goes on then?I'm the small one.

You were simply a better fighter than they were, if you speak truthfully. Size matters, but there are more factors to a fight. It's an advantage, nothing more. Saying it has no effect on the outcome of a fight is bizarre.

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#87 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

[QUOTE="Vfanek"] People are people, professional or not. A fight is a fight, professional or not. While a street brawl will (most likely) have two inexperienced fighters, the laws of physics still apply. A heavier person hits harder, his weight is used to his advantage during grappling. So, why does professional fighting have weight divisions? Again, a fight is a fight.

Vfanek


Correct.But I've beaten a lot of heavier and taller guys.So what goes on then?I'm the small one.

You were simply a better fighter than they were, if you speak truthfully. Size matters, but there are more factors to a fight. It's an advantage, nothing more. Saying it has no effect on the outcome of a fight is bizarre.

I can agree with that.So,technique and being the better fighter also plays a part.

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[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="modestkraut1291"]

I think size helps but doesnt always decide a fight.

Strength, speed, and wit are the deciding factors usually.

Agreed. Samurais are the proof of it. Guys who are about 1.6meters tall but considered the elite in fighting should give a point.

pshh. the samurai need weapons without them in hand to hand they would be smashed
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#89 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] I never said otherwise. I wouldn't dream on fighting the world champion featherweight boxer, for example. Yes, I'm heavier, but there are other factors just as important.[QUOTE="kiniky"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="modestkraut1291"]

I think size helps but doesnt always decide a fight.

Strength, speed, and wit are the deciding factors usually.

Lto_thaG

Agreed. Samurais are the proof of it. Guys who are about 1.6meters tall but considered the elite in fighting should give a point.

pshh. the samurai need weapons without them in hand to hand they would be smashed

Samurai's were trained in close combat fighting without weapons as well.