Does talent actually exist?

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#1 stiggy321
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Do you think anyone can do anything they put their minds to, or do some people just not have the "talent" to play water polo, learn the piano,or do a back flip?

Rather, are Tiger Woods,Jean Corbet,orMary Lou Retton"talented," ordidthey justpractice and studyone particularthing for literally their entire life... which is why they becameso good at that one thing?

I believe that anyone can do anything and there is no such thing as "talent". Playing professional basketballor the french horn is not difficult, and does not take talent... just time to figure it out... or rather, practice.

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#2 Shottayouth13-
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Practice leads to talent.
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#3 DevilishStyles
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When you're good at something, you have talent. In order to be good at something, you need to practice. So lots of practice leads to talent.

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#4 soulless4now
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Practice leads to talent.Shottayouth13-
This sums it up nicely.
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#5 MistressMinako
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In my definition, it exists but rarely seen in my eyes. I guess I have always seen talent as something someone can do without much practice. Like if someone can play a really difficult song on the piano and has barely played the piano in their life then that is talent. If people practice for a long time, I think it is more of a skill/profession than a talent.
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#6 Kelayr
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If a person is able to pick up an activity easily and is naturally good at it even with minimal practice, that is talent. People who aren't talented at an activity would have to practice for much longer to reach the level of someone who is.
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#7 CammiTac
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It think there is definitely such a thing as natural talent. But I think it is the hard work that gets you places. Talent alone won't. And even if you don't have a natural talent for whatever skill you want to learn, you can develop the same skill, it just takes more work. Or maybe I'm thinking of aptitude. Is there a difference? I might have my definitions mixed up. Sometimes I think just writing someone off as talented isn't giving them enough credit. I read an article recently about a piano prodigy that plays for 9 hours a day every day. I just think just saying "he's very talented" doesn't fully acknowledge the fact that he plays for 9 hours a day. Maybe if the people commenting practiced for 9 hours a day you could play the piano as well as him too.
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#8 Jazz_Fan
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Einstein's parietal lobe was 15% larger than the average human. That's the part of the brain that helps people comprehend and solve math problems. So yes, I certainly think there is such a thing as natural talent. That said, nature, nurture and environment are like a balancing act and all are strongly important factors in creating ones character.
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#9 MirkoS77
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Of course there's such a thing as natural talent. You can never convince me that Michael Jackson was a person of no talent but all hard work and practice. That was a large part of it, but the guy was born extraordinarily gifted. So yea, I believe practice is a large part, but in the end talent is born and built upon, not created.
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#10 surrealnumber5
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people are not created the same, ones with higher aptitude than normal have talent

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#11 MrsSolidSnake
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Of course it does. I know a 14 year old girl who's never taken a singing lesson in her life and made it onto national television singing Celine Dion.

Most things come with practise but others you're just born with.

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#12 MissLibrarian
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I think someone can definitely be gifted to extraordinary levels, as in having superhuman talent, like Mozart writing his first symphony aged 7 or whatever.

Obviously this is very uncommon. But sometimes people do seem to have a flawless aptitude for something.

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Certain people are naturally better at certain things. People's minds work in different ways, and of course our bodies are all different. It just leads to everyone having their own unique set of things that they can do well, and things they aren't good at. Of course you can get better at the things you're not good at, but probably not a world class talent.

With golf for instance. Many, many people try their best to be good golfers starting from a very young age. But some just end up being really good at it, and the vast majority don't. You can call it "talent", or just say that their brains recognized certain things as being important, and acted as a good filter of information to decide what aspects of the activity needed to be focused on and which didn't, etc.

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There is natural talent, I think. I remember I was watching ESPN and they were doing this segment on Micheal Phelps on how his body was perfect for a swimmer.
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#15 UniverseIX
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talent exists. it is not something learned. It's more like potential. IF you take two people and have them practice or train in a specific skill, there is a good chance one of them will be more proficient at that skill given their genetic traits and how they respond to the training. Hard work and training is necessary in honing ones skills But there will still be measurable differences between the best of them and the rest of them. contrary to popular belief here in the states you can't be whatever you want to be because you work hard and spend hours training.
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Yes, it's not some mystical thing people make it out to be though. If someone is more talented than another, that just means they have a more well developed area of the brain. In art some people grasp perspective easier and in music some people grasp composition easier. To say that talent in some form doesn't exist is just plain ignorant.

On another note, why are people talking about practice and hard-work? The thread question is just asking if talent exists in some form or not. I don't see what practice has to do with anything. Talent just means that one learns something faster than others if they're more talented. Practice with that talent means things go smoother and progression is more rapid.

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Talent is when you are able to do something without having to practice it as long as others need to. For example (I'm not showing off) my English is good. I've learned it from video games and cartoons. There's a girl in my class who has been taking extra lessons weekly for the past 8 years. I've never had such lessons. I don't even do my homework. However I'm clearly better than her (my results prove it too). I'd say that's talent. I'm also making fast progress in french, and next year I'm going to learn german. I just catch things faster than others. There's also a dude in my class that draws stuff (mainly cars) that will make your eyes drop. He never had special lessons. There are 4 girls in my class who study architecture for the past 4 years. He can draw better with his left hand. I'd say that's proof that some people are better at certain activities than others = talent. By saying talent doesn't exist is like saying an average Joe can paint the Mona Lisa.
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Do you think anyone can do anything they put their minds to, or do some people just not have the "talent" to play water polo, learn the piano,or do a back flip?

Rather, are Tiger Woods,Jean Corbet,orMary Lou Retton"talented," ordidthey justpractice and studyone particularthing for literally their entire life... which is why they becameso good at that one thing?

I believe that anyone can do anything and there is no such thing as "talent". Playing professional basketballor the french horn is not difficult, and does not take talent... just time to figure it out... or rather, practice.

stiggy321

i believe it exists, i am one that try everything even if im no good at it, but i can tell you there are something that just comes naturally while other you absolutely fail. In the example of Tiger Woods, its talent, no matter how much someone play i doubt you or me can get that good.

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#19 ehhwhatever
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Yea of course, I'm sure there are a few geniuses here on OT right now.
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#20 VaguelyTagged
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yes there is,i can't be a decent musician no matter how hard i try yet i'm good at some stuff without even trying.

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#21 Charazani
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I think so.
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yes there is,i can't be a decent musician no matter how hard i try yet i'm good at some stuff without even trying.

VaguelyTagged

Have you actually tried studying music seriously (with scales and all)? There aren't that many people who can't become professional at X subject if they sink in 5-10 years of constant practice every day (aside from physical sports probably). A talented person may be able to start off and get a job 2 years later (being a musician) but I think an average person would probably take 5-10 years.

Just because you aren't talented at something doesn't mean you can't make a living off of it -- believe me, there are plenty of bad illustrators out there scrapin' by on money. Work hard at almost anything and you can make an okay living off of it (even if you don't have great talent)-- look at Rob Liefield.

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#23 The_Gaming_Baby
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Even slash used to suck at playing the guitar. But then he practiced 8 hours a day. Now people say he is talented.

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#24 Lethalhazard
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Even slash used to suck at playing the guitar. But then he practiced 8 hours a day. Now people say he is talented.

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Yep, you see this often also. People who before would never, ever be described as talented -- but then they put in some serious study and become 'talented.' Blegh, the word is just thrown around like hotcakes and barely any people seem to know what it even means.
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#25 WSGRandomPerson
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Some people are born with talent; some people have to practice to reach having talent. It exists.
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#26 mrmusicman247
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[QUOTE="The_Gaming_Baby"]

Even slash used to suck at playing the guitar. But then he practiced 8 hours a day. Now people say he is talented.

Lethalhazard
Yep, you see this often also. People who before would never, ever be described as talented -- but then they put in some serious study and become 'talented.' Blegh, the word is just thrown around like hotcakes and barely any people seem to know what it even means.

It goes both ways. You can be naturally talented or you can practice to become talented.
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#27 Lethalhazard
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[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="The_Gaming_Baby"]

Even slash used to suck at playing the guitar. But then he practiced 8 hours a day. Now people say he is talented.

mrmusicman247
Yep, you see this often also. People who before would never, ever be described as talented -- but then they put in some serious study and become 'talented.' Blegh, the word is just thrown around like hotcakes and barely any people seem to know what it even means.

It goes both ways. You can be naturally talented or you can practice to become talented.

It seems with practice talented can surface, but you can't make yourself more talented than you already are now. Talent speaks of natural aptitude -- something you're born with (the development of your brain in the case of music). As for increasing a skill level, yes practice can lead to a point where you're said to be talented like in the case of 'slash' here. It's odd though -- while some people have such a natural aptitude, some people seem to skim on by seemingly not progressing in their chosen profession despite putting in a lot of hours. Then all of a sudden, they become 'talented.' I've seen it with this guy: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=870 Basically he starts off as a beginner posting his art and 5 years down the road he's now one of the best representational professional fine artists in the U.S. (IMO). I wouldn't have seen that coming based off of that first year there, but wow did his 'talent' cultivate somewhere along the line. It seemed to be right around when he want to that atelier and received proper instruction...
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#28 Shadowchronicle
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There wouldn't be a word for it if it didn't exist. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/talent
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[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"]

yes there is,i can't be a decent musician no matter how hard i try yet i'm good at some stuff without even trying.

Lethalhazard

Have you actually tried studying music seriously (with scales and all)? There aren't that many people who can't become professional at X subject if they sink in 5-10 years of constant practice every day (aside from physical sports probably). A talented person may be able to start off and get a job 2 years later (being a musician) but I think an average person would probably take 5-10 years.

Just because you aren't talented at something doesn't mean you can't make a living off of it -- believe me, there are plenty of bad illustrators out there scrapin' by on money. Work hard at almost anything and you can make an okay living off of it (even if you don't have great talent)-- look at Rob Liefield.

haha,just because liefield doesn't follow the predetermined,alex ross-ish image of a super hero doesn't mean he's untalented.:P (personally hate him though), but really no i have never taken music seriously but i remember taking a course and i was like the worst in the clas$ ,btw as you mentioned yourself ,you may be able to make a living off it but you won' be able to be the best or make a difference,that's what i call talent.

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#30 Kelayr
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It goes both ways. You can be naturally talented or you can practice to become talented.mrmusicman247
I'd argue that you can practice to become skilled, not talented, since talent is innate. You either have talent or you don't.
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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]It goes both ways. You can be naturally talented or you can practice to become talented.silentexistence
I'd argue that you can practice to become skilled, not talented, since talent is innate. You either have talent or you don't.

Alright then. Talent lets you have the capacity to become to skilled. You can be both skilled and talented.
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[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]

[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"]

yes there is,i can't be a decent musician no matter how hard i try yet i'm good at some stuff without even trying.

VaguelyTagged

Have you actually tried studying music seriously (with scales and all)? There aren't that many people who can't become professional at X subject if they sink in 5-10 years of constant practice every day (aside from physical sports probably). A talented person may be able to start off and get a job 2 years later (being a musician) but I think an average person would probably take 5-10 years.

Just because you aren't talented at something doesn't mean you can't make a living off of it -- believe me, there are plenty of bad illustrators out there scrapin' by on money. Work hard at almost anything and you can make an okay living off of it (even if you don't have great talent)-- look at Rob Liefield.

haha,just because liefield doesn't follow the predetermined,alex ross-ish image of a super hero doesn't mean he's untalented.:P (personally hate him though), but really no i have never taken music seriously but i remember taking a course and i was like the worst in the clas$ ,btw as you mentioned yourself ,you may be able to make a living off it but you won' be able to be the best or make a difference,that's what i call talent.

I'm saying Liefield is untalented because his anatomy (and drawing skills in general) are really awkward and his poses aren't very unique at all. There's not much action to them and some of the choices he makes in composition is baffling. Style isn't an issue at all, that can be ignored. It's obvious he's not purposely or intelligently stylizing his art at all. It's likely he doesn't study from life at all, maybe it isn't such an issue of 'talent' but rather lack of knowledge. :P but I agree with you. Just because you were worst in class doesn't mean anything though. I was worst in my drawing 1 class and by the end of drawing 2 I became the best draftsman in the college (I know that sounds INCREDIBLY arrogant but I'm talking from a purely technical level -- not saying that I actually have the best art). I still have a loooong way to go.
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#33 greenskittles
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Sure there is research of some genetic advantage in certain fields but it's nothing practice cannot overcome to become the best.

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#34 FUloin33
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I'm pretty sure they can.

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Some are fast learners! Some are born smarter.
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Even slash used to suck at playing the guitar. But then he practiced 8 hours a day. Now people say he is talented.

The_Gaming_Baby

there is adifference there, you may not have talent but if you practice a lot you will improve and get better.