Doesn't weed encourage laziness and make people slow and dumb?

Michael Phelps, Michael Jordan, Wiz Kalifa, Snoop Dogg, Willie Nelson, etc all pretty much prove that to be false. Blame the person, not the plant!

Yusuke420

lol no, if that were the case, half of college graduates wouldn't be college graduates

"TRIED" is the key word here. The fact of the matter is, the amount of actual users is far lower than that. Almost every job in the country drug tests now days and most people are too responsible for the risks involved in illegally smoking marijuana. I know plenty of smokers and plenty of drinkers. But ironically its only the smokers I know who have to wake up and use it in the morning. They act like fiends all day long. As I have said earlier. In my line of work, weed is all I see and its been that way for the past 20 years. They all drink as well but ironically that only happens after work.Murderstyle75

Tried AND/OR uses it. Try reading all of the key words. Sure, the amount of people who use it recreationally is lower, same goes for alcohol of course. The reality is millions of people smoke weed. Drug tests can be passed even if you smoke, and most jobs do not have regular drug tests anyways, maybe one when you are first hired or something. I personally haven't been drug test in 10 years and have had 3 different jobs in that time period.

"But ironically its only the smokers I know who have to wake up and use it in the morning."

This is the biggest joke of your post. You have never met an alcoholic, that much is clear. Alcoholics actually fvcking shake from withdrawls if they don't have their morning drink.

Anyways not trying to say smoking pot all day is healthy, I do think it has negative effects.  The crap you are pushing (ie compared to alcohol) based on your 4 stoner coworkers is non-sense, though.

You are just speaking about the (still) small group of your personal encounters, statistics tell a different story. BTW, I have the absolute opposite personal experiences. Most of the people I know who habitually use a substance are alcoholics, and most of them start drinking first thing in the morning. Some of them are so bad they literally get the shakes if they don't start drinking first thing in the morning.

That's just personal experience (like yours) and means very little in the context of what happens nationally, though.  I tell you one thing, if I had to be addicted to alcohol or pot I would chose pots any day of the week...and I don't even smoke pot anymore lol.

Most pothead's would disagree, but the ones I actually know would have to agree that it made them lazy and in my brothers case made him kinda stupid 

lol no, if that were the case, half of college graduates wouldn't be college graduates

mrbojangles25

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lol no, if that were the case, half of college graduates wouldn't be college graduates

Toxic-Seahorse

You are just speaking about the (still) small group of your personal encounters, statistics tell a different story. BTW, I have the absolute opposite personal experiences. Most of the people I know who habitually use a substance are alcoholics, and most of them start drinking first thing in the morning. Some of them are so bad they literally get the shakes if they don't start drinking first thing in the morning.

That's just personal experience (like yours) and means very little in the context of what happens nationally, though.  I tell you one thing, if I had to be addicted to alcohol or pot I would chose pots any day of the week...and I don't even smoke pot anymore lol.

Renevent42

"TRIED" is the key word here. The fact of the matter is, the amount of actual users is far lower than that. Almost every job in the country drug tests now days and most people are too responsible for the risks involved in illegally smoking marijuana. I know plenty of smokers and plenty of drinkers. But ironically its only the smokers I know who have to wake up and use it in the morning. They act like fiends all day long. As I have said earlier. In my line of work, weed is all I see and its been that way for the past 20 years. They all drink as well but ironically that only happens after work.Murderstyle75

No, weed enhances your "negative" characteristics. If you're lazy already, weed will make you really lazy. I've known some people who are geniouses who smoke occasionally and were able to complete reports and research papers without any proglems. They're still intelligent, by the way.

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"]"TRIED" is the key word here. The fact of the matter is, the amount of actual users is far lower than that. Almost every job in the country drug tests now days and most people are too responsible for the risks involved in illegally smoking marijuana. I know plenty of smokers and plenty of drinkers. But ironically its only the smokers I know who have to wake up and use it in the morning. They act like fiends all day long. As I have said earlier. In my line of work, weed is all I see and its been that way for the past 20 years. They all drink as well but ironically that only happens after work.Rich3232

"Certainly the Mexican Cartels couldn't make billions of dollars off of a substance that is supposed to be non addicting. Could they?"

Of course they could, there's countless things in the world that make people billions money that's not necessarily addicting. You gotta stop using these loose connections to try and prove points.

The addicting properties of both weed and alcohol is pretty well understood. Weed is more habit forming than addicting, and while some could consider it mildly addictive, it's NOTHING like alcohol (or heroine/cocaine/etc) which can become a serious and even life threatening addiction...both mentally and physically.

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lol no, if that were the case, half of college graduates wouldn't be college graduates

Toxic-Seahorse

at the school I graduated at, the paper did a poll every year of various things, the average percentage was 47% of students were marijuana users.  Not tried marijuana.  Not had it once and then gave it up.  Habitual marijuana users.

The funny thing is that my college is a very good one lol, and it doesnt end there.  I know neurosurgeons that went through UC Berkeley med school that smoked pot, engineers that design and build the bridges you drive over with your family that smoked/smoke pot, and more.  Commercial airline pilots that smoke pot.

This isn't a "oh I smoked pot and I am ok" logical type fallacy; I know literally hundreds of people that have gone through college (many of them prestigious), and have good, important jobs.

Maybe this is biased as this is in California, so take it for what you want, but pot does not make you lazy or dumb or slow.  It is a depressant; it naturally relaxes the body for a time, which is exactly what a lot of hard working students and professionals want and need.

The trick, as with all things, is knowing when to do it, and when to stop.  

Too many idiots in here. It really depends on the strain. Many indica strains promote mega munchies and may cause you to feel couch-locked. Many use it for pain relief and anxiety. There's a numbness to it. If you smoke sativa, you'll have an energetic mind-high and won't feel lazy at all. In fact, you'll actually want to do things. 

Too many idiots in here. It really depends on the strain. Many indica strains promote mega munchies and may cause you to feel couch-locked. Many use it for pain relief and anxiety. There's a numbness to it. If you smoke sativa, you'll have an energetic mind-high and won't feel lazy at all. In fact, you'll actually want to do things. 

Spellingiscool

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Too many idiots in here. It really depends on the strain. Many indica strains promote mega munchies and may cause you to feel couch-locked. Many use it for pain relief and anxiety. There's a numbness to it. If you smoke sativa, you'll have an energetic mind-high and won't feel lazy at all. In fact, you'll actually want to do things. 

Yusuke420

Too many idiots in here. It really depends on the strain. Many indica strains promote mega munchies and may cause you to feel couch-locked. Many use it for pain relief and anxiety. There's a numbness to it. If you smoke sativa, you'll have an energetic mind-high and won't feel lazy at all. In fact, you'll actually want to do things. 

Spellingiscool

This is what's up! I think most people that have never smoked consistently associate weed with that first time they tried it and got REAAAAAALLLY high and assume that's what it's always like for everyone when it's usually more along the lines of a good beer buzz at best.

I personally know tons of smokers who wake up, go to work, put there 8 or more hours in and go home and smoke a little bit. Bills get paid on time, laundry gets folded, dishes get done. Usually the most damage done is to a bag of chips and some snack cakes, which of course warrants it being a jailable offense.

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Too many idiots in here. It really depends on the strain. Many indica strains promote mega munchies and may cause you to feel couch-locked. Many use it for pain relief and anxiety. There's a numbness to it. If you smoke sativa, you'll have an energetic mind-high and won't feel lazy at all. In fact, you'll actually want to do things. 

z4twenny

I personally know tons of smokers who wake up, go to work, put there 8 or more hours in and go home and smoke a little bit. Bills get paid on time, laundry gets folded, dishes get done. Usually the most damage done is to a bag of chips and some snack cakes, which of course warrants it being a jailable offense.

well said.

A lot of college buddies of mine get straight A's, come to school on time, work, and support themselves.

They all smoke more weed than me and drink as well.

I don't know, you tell me.

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Too many idiots in here. It really depends on the strain. Many indica strains promote mega munchies and may cause you to feel couch-locked. Many use it for pain relief and anxiety. There's a numbness to it. If you smoke sativa, you'll have an energetic mind-high and won't feel lazy at all. In fact, you'll actually want to do things. 

mrbojangles25

I personally know tons of smokers who wake up, go to work, put there 8 or more hours in and go home and smoke a little bit. Bills get paid on time, laundry gets folded, dishes get done. Usually the most damage done is to a bag of chips and some snack cakes, which of course warrants it being a jailable offense.

well said.

If their job doesn't involve operating heavy machines then who cares? Writers can write stoned, musicians can play music stone, computer programmers can write programs blitzed. Customer Service reps can assist customers stoned, dude that is a very weak arguement to say, but muh work!

Who cares? It's unprofessional and a high of any kind shouldn't be that important. You really think people should be working in customer service stoned? With that mentality, no wonder its still illegal. There us a time and place for everything and that is not the time nor the place. How did he get to his job stoned? How is he getting home? Should customers and coworkers have to smell it on him? Perhaps once stoners realize this stuff, it will stop being so taboo. I could work great with a slight beer buzz going. Would I do it though? No way.Murderstyle75

Who cares? It's unprofessional and a high of any kind shouldn't be that important. You really think people should be working in customer service stoned? With that mentality, no wonder its still illegal. There us a time and place for everything and that is not the time nor the place. How did he get to his job stoned? How is he getting home? Should customers and coworkers have to smell it on him? Perhaps once stoners realize this stuff, it will stop being so taboo. I could work great with a slight beer buzz going. Would I do it though? No way.Murderstyle75

I'm 26 and I'm not advocating the right to smoke at work, but if you're going to use having a job as the basis for your argument for prohibition, I was pointing out how silly it sounds. Jobs can people whatever policies they want in place. My long term goal once this prohibition falls is to open a marijuana den/ cyber cafe hybrid and yes I will allow the people that work there to get high. Those people will still have roles to fufill and I doubt that it will effect their work ethic if I was doing my job as boss during the hiring process. 

I'm 26 and I'm not advocating the right to smoke at work, but if you're going to use having a job as the basis for your argument for prohibition, I was pointing out how silly it sounds. Jobs can people whatever policies they want in place. My long term goal once this prohibition falls is to open a marijuana den/ cyber cafe hybrid and yes I will allow the people that work there to get high. Those people will still have roles to fufill and I doubt that it will effect their work ethic if I was doing my job as boss during the hiring process. 

Yusuke420

Sounds like a bunch of people getting together to smoke and have fun. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion and getting thousands of people together without any incidents is another powerful example of how marijuana can calm folks down and help them just enjoy life. Did you hear of any violent crime during your visits to the hashbash? How many people were arrested for trying to fight with security or each other? Why are you so against people chilling and having a good time with a little ganja smoke? 

TBQH, I enjoy getting drunk, and have no basis for telling people they shouldn't smoke weed. Harder stuff's different, but until I see arguments that also support alcohol prohibition, I won't take the arguments seriously, at which point, I will flip sh!t. BRB, more beer.

Sounds like a bunch of people getting together to smoke and have fun. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion and getting thousands of people together without any incidents is another powerful example of how marijuana can calm folks down and help them just enjoy life. Did you hear of any violent crime during your visits to the hashbash? How many people were arrested for trying to fight with security or each other? Why are you so against people chilling and having a good time with a little ganja smoke? 

Yusuke420

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I personally know tons of smokers who wake up, go to work, put there 8 or more hours in and go home and smoke a little bit. Bills get paid on time, laundry gets folded, dishes get done. Usually the most damage done is to a bag of chips and some snack cakes, which of course warrants it being a jailable offense.

Murderstyle75

well said.

not many.

I work at a place that is, for lack of a better term, known for being pro-marijuana/stoner/etc,...many of our products are named after marijuana references, and more.  But due to the work environment, showing up stoned or getting high on the job is frowned upon.  More importantly, me and most of my coworkers lose respect for anyone that does such things, and they all smoke pot after work and on their days off.  

Its reverse peer pressure; no one shows up high because they wouldnt get along with their coworkers, but they are all more than happy to get together after work and share some bong loads :D

In my experience, marijuana users sort of weed themselves (pun intended) out of the workplace; weed is a depressant, it does make you relaxed and lazy and forgetful for short terms, and you can't do your job well.  As a result, these people are told to shape up or ship out.  Fortunately, because pot isnt addictive (although it can be habit forming for some), most people pull through and learn moderation.

wow havent checked on this thread since i posted in it.

it went pretty much as expected.

i gotta say, you would be surprised at how many people you come into contact with your daily lives, that smoke weed.

just because they are an upstanding citizen, get good grades, do good in life, etc. does not mean they dont toke up.

it all depends on the person.

some people, myself included, get lazy as hell on weed, and dont want to do anything but sit and play vidya games and such. but then there are several people who live normal lives doing a 9 to 5 that smoke weed on a daily basis and still pay the bills and function normally.

Here's another documentary pointing out how the government is using the drug war to profit off of the incarceration of it's citizens. 

American Drug War: The Last White Hope

You might focus on things you normally wouldn't and everything else leaves your attention... I guess this could be seen as 'lazy' or 'slow' but it also has its advantages.

***edit : that's WHILE high

Its worse than alcohol, It might not kill you, but it sure will make you wish you were dead. Its not for everyone, some people get serious mental illness from weed not just become slow and dumb, it also makes you look like a corpse after few months of heavy use. People that are defending it dosent know sh*t about weed and it is addictive.

Its worse than alcohol, It might not kill you, but it sure will make you wish you were dead. Its not for everyone, some people get serious mental illness from weed not just become slow and dumb, it also makes you look like a corpse after few months of heavy use. People that are defending it dosent know sh*t about weed and it is addictive.

Alienware_fan

You might focus on things you normally wouldn't and everything else leaves your attention... I guess this could be seen as 'lazy' or 'slow' but it also has its advantages.

***edit : that's WHILE high

CptJSparrow

Its worse than alcohol, It might not kill you, but it sure will make you wish you were dead. Its not for everyone, some people get serious mental illness from weed not just become slow and dumb, it also makes you look like a corpse after few months of heavy use. People that are defending it dosent know sh*t about weed and it is addictive.

Alienware_fan

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Its worse than alcohol, It might not kill you, but it sure will make you wish you were dead. Its not for everyone, some people get serious mental illness from weed not just become slow and dumb, it also makes you look like a corpse after few months of heavy use. People that are defending it dosent know sh*t about weed and it is addictive.

MrPraline

Are you really arguing with an Alienware fan?

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Its worse than alcohol, It might not kill you, but it sure will make you wish you were dead. Its not for everyone, some people get serious mental illness from weed not just become slow and dumb, it also makes you look like a corpse after few months of heavy use. People that are defending it dosent know sh*t about weed and it is addictive.

coolbeans90

Are you really arguing with an Alienware fan?

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Bro. Everything you said is false. False, wrong, incorrect and dishonest. But let's ignore that, and let us pretend you were accurate. You were right. Even if all of that is true, why can't a person smoke it of his own free will? Why does the government have to decide what is good for him? Who cares? MrPraline

Are you really arguing with an Alienware fan?

idk

but dat username

smh