Drawing....natural ability or something that can be learned?

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#1 CHOASXIII
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Well to really get this going, I have tried to draw for many years and I cannot draw and I really think there is no hope for me ever being able to draw....but anyways in your opinion do you think it is a natural ability or something that can be learned?

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#2 McJugga
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It's neither.
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#3 kidsmelly
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I think its a little bit of both. I've seen some people who can naturally draw but I have taken some art classes that has taught me to draw alot better than I previously did before. It just seems some people are naturally better than others.

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#4 aaronmullan
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Bit of both. Since people can improve, but others just have a nack of it anyway.
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#5 ghoklebutter
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A little bit of both.
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#6 Strider_91
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Little of both.. You can learn to an extent i feel, but raw talent is something important to art/drawing
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#7 supa_badman
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More of a natural ability than training, although it can use both.

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#8 th3warr1or
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I think it's both... Some people just have an affinity for it.. I don't. :(
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#9 XilePrincess
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A bit of both. You can only learn so much, you have to have some sort of natural talent.
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#10 GHlegend77
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Natural ability. I can't draw worth a crap, no matter how much I'm taught. However, my friends who draw like freakin' awesome, can't play an instrument to save their lives, while I own it up on guitar and piano.
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#11 JonnyEagle
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If you have the innate ability to draw, you'll get better a lot quicker than someone who doesn't have the ability, though I think if you work at it hard enough, you can get good at it even though you don't have the innate ability....
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#12 scorch-62
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It's something that just comes naturally, but can be refined through learning.
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#13 narutoisapirate
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mix of both.

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#14 LostProphetFLCL
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Almost purely natural.

You need to be blessed with very good motor skills and you also need to have the capacity for understanding how things place out on the paper when drawing something.

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#15 cheesyjon
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It's obviously both, lol. Common sense that it's both.

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#16 Brutal_Elitegs
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Well to really get this going, I have tried to draw for many years and I cannot draw and I really think there is no hope for me ever being able to draw....CHOASXIII

I present inspiration! (third post down)

I don't think you're really applying yourself and are actually learning anything when you practice if you still can't draw after many years. Make no mistake, it takes hard work and determination to be able to draw well. When you practice, practice something that is actually useful, don't just do a quick doodle or two and then give up. Practice perspective, lighting, colour theory, forms, composition, anatomy, etc. If you practice all that, then you WILL become better, there's just no questioning it. I believe there's a skill threshold which once achieved your drawing ability will improve exponentially; you become more adept at learning and seeing new things which had eluded you when you first started. You just have to wade through all of the frustration to get to that point.

Search for Andrew Loomis on google. His books are extremely useful.

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#17 MrGeezer
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I think its a little bit of both. I've seen some people who can naturally draw but I have taken some art classes that has taught me to draw alot better than I previously did before. It just seems some people are naturally better than others.

kidsmelly

Same here. I just finished taking a drawing class. Before I couldn't draw worth a damn. I'm still not anywhere close to being good, but it is simply amazing how much better I've gotten in only a few months.

That's not to say that all people will have the same capacity to learn. Some people will have a natural talent for it, others will probably always be awful no matter how much they try. But I suspect that the majority of people are just like me: they suck, and have the potential for showing a LOT of improvement (depending on if they received good instruction, and depending on how much work they're willing to put into it). They might never be able to become great, but they absolutely have the potential to become decent if they work on it enough.

Hell, even in the drawing class I took, most of the people who totally sucked showed SOME major improvement. By end-of-semester, some of their drawings were still awful and ugly-as-hell, but (for the people who actually tried) their ugly-as-hell end-of-semester work was still noticeably better than their ugly-as-hell beginning-beginning-of semester work. Some people are just slower learners in certain areas, and some people are going to hit the ceiling sooner than others. But I absolutely see drawing as something that can be learned. And hell, if you hit the ceiling, become as good as you're ever going to be and still see that you suck, then you still have some leeway to find a style that hides your limitations. Realize what your strengths are, pick a drawing style that accentuates those strengths while hiding your weaknesses, and then work on maximizing your potential in that particular style of drawing. Most people aren't good at everything. Find what you're best at, and then figure out how to make that look better.

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#18 Lethalhazard
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Can be either IMO. You can practice hard enough to be as good as but maybe not learn AS fast as the person who has a knick for it.
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#19 jalexbrown
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If we can, for just a moment, quantify drawing talent...then there is a point, X, that you can learn to reach; anything above X will come from natural talent. So can you learn to be a better artist? Yes. Can you learn to be the best artist? Incredibly unlikely.
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#20 Lethalhazard
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If we can, for just a moment, quantify drawing talent...then there is a point, X, that you can learn to reach; anything above X will come from natural talent. So can you learn to be a better artist? Yes. Can you learn to be the best artist? Incredibly unlikely.jalexbrown
Well, maybe not the BEST artist. Most people can't be the best in the world at anything. I think people can learn and practice enough, without 'raw' talent, to become a professional artist at least :P.
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#21 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]If we can, for just a moment, quantify drawing talent...then there is a point, X, that you can learn to reach; anything above X will come from natural talent. So can you learn to be a better artist? Yes. Can you learn to be the best artist? Incredibly unlikely.Lethalhazard
Well, maybe not the BEST artist. Most people can't be the best in the world at anything. I think people can learn and practice enough, without 'raw' talent, to become a professional artist at least :P.

Oh yeah. I believe that, with enough dedication, X (as mentioned above) is definitely at the professional level.
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#22 MrGeezer
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Almost purely natural.

You need to be blessed with very good motor skills and you also need to have the capacity for understanding how things place out on the paper when drawing something.

LostProphetFLCL

Now, motor skills are absolutely a natural limitation for some people, but I find it highly unlikely that most people lack the motor skills necessary to draw. Even then, there's certainly potential to increase one's motor skills through repetition, though that might not produce such immediate or drastic results as learning about the more academic aspects of drawing. I'll give you that...lack of motor skills can be a big obstacle to someone drawing, though I don't think that most people have that problem. Most people have average motor skills, which I suspect are enough to be able to draw. Then their motor skills can improve a little bit through practice.

As far as understanding how "things place out on the page", that's pretty much largely academic. Granted, a creative and personal touch is going to be a requirement if you want to be an "artist" instead of just a "craftsman", and creativity is probably even harder to learn. But if you study what looks good and what doesn, and why, then it is entirely possible to draw some very pretty "happy trees" even if you don't have a single creative bone in your body. Learn what works, and do what works. That's pretty much purely academic, and I highly suspect that most people have the capacity to learn that, just like they have the capacity to learn the alphabet and their multiplication tables.

Edit: also, I think that there's largely this kind of myth that artistic creativity is somehow separate from traditional academics. Maybe to a small extent, but I don't really buy into that idea very strongly. I think that too many people have this idea in their heads that an "artists" should be able to just create art, and then ignore what role thinking about art plays into how good that art becomes.

Take Ansel Adams. AMAZING photographer, but he wasn't just good at it. He put a LOT of thought into what he was doing, in order to get it to look better. He learned about chemistry and optics in order to get a larger idea of what tools and processes he could use in order to make his work better. That's academic. Then, when he went out to shoot, he THOUGHT about what he was doing, PLANNED through his entire workflow in order to maximize what he could get out of the pictures. He didn't just blindly shoot, people who can draw don't just blindly draw, and people who can paint don't just blindly slap paint onto a canvas. People think about what they are doing, and that really helps a LOT in any field of study, be it art, biology, literature, or mathematics.

As far as drawing goes, one should be able to think ahead and visualize what the drawing looks like. They should then plan out how they work on the drawing in order to get to that final point. If the actual drawing does not match with what you had in mind, then it is very unlikely that you "just can't draw". More likely, you screwed up somewhere during the process of taking the image in your mind and then translating it onto a page. Find out WHERE you screwed up, and then make a better effort to not screw that same thing up again.

Do not just say "I can't draw". Be aware of your weaknesses. If you draw something and it sucks, identify specific things which are causing that drawing to suck. Then work on those things. But art is not exempt from standard problem-solving. And when it comes to that, saying "this just plain sucks" really isn't an answer. A mechanic wouldn't look at a car, say "this car just sucks", and then give up. The mechanic would try to isolate specific problems, and work on those. Same thing applies to drawing, painting, photography, and getting a first time managerial job at a chain restaurant. If you take a job and you suck at it, how long does it take you to give up? The best thing to do is to first identify what you're doing wrong, then fix it. But you can't fix bad ANYTHING (drawing/photography/automotive skills/whatever) without first thinking logically about what you're doing wrong and what you need to work at. It's pretty damn hard to solve any problem without first diagnosing it, and saying "I just plain suck at this" usually isn't an excuse for why you're not getting better at it. Saying "I just plain suck" really usually doesn't EVER say ANYTHING about identifying someone's failings, in any particular area. The question isn't whether or not you suck at drawing, the question is WHY you suck at drawing. Identify that, then work on that. Draw smarter, not just harder.

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#23 deactivated-5bb421ab1b937
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You just have to believe in yourself. You also have to understand certain concepts, like light and shadows.

Here is some stuff I drew: http://www.gamespot.com/users/SupaKoopaTroopa/view_album?id=sGI3CUwMLXyHRcdv

I'm going to post more as I do them.

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#24 jalexbrown
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You just have to believe in yourself. You also have to understand certain concepts, like light and shadows.

Here is some stuff I drew: http://www.gamespot.com/users/SupaKoopaTroopa/view_album?id=sGI3CUwMLXyHRcdv

I'm going to post more as I do them.

SupaKoopaTroopa

That's pretty damned good. Did you start out with any natural talent, or is that 100% from learning and dedication?

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#25 jrhawk42
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it's basically a learned skill. If you have are able to graduate high school, and write the alphabet you basically have the tools to become a decent at drawing. It's just a matter of the right learning material, and practice. Most art teachers have a natural affinity for drawing, and therefore they don't know how to teach it. Hence the only students that succeed are those w/ natural talent.

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#26 69ANT69
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I have always been a good drawer, but I don't see why it isn't possible to learn it.
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#28 swamprat_basic
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Anybody can learn to be good at drawing, but like all things, it takes more time and effort than most people are willing to invest.

Natural talent can help one become good quicker than others, but it really takes better than average effort in order to be great.

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#29 Shad0ki11
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People who can draw decently start at a young age and keep practicing for years. It's self-taught, but can be refined by professional training.

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#30 Shad0ki11
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You just have to believe in yourself. You also have to understand certain concepts, like light and shadows.

Here is some stuff I drew: http://www.gamespot.com/users/SupaKoopaTroopa/view_album?id=sGI3CUwMLXyHRcdv

I'm going to post more as I do them.

SupaKoopaTroopa

Would you like me to give you a mini-critique of this piece?