Drinking age should be moved down to 18 Great reason inside.

no upie-junior

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"] following orders is really really really easy in the lower tiers of military service. I would calim that going to college and living on your own, for the first time, takes more maturity than being a grunt in a combat unit- where you have people do your laundry for you and cook your meals.pie-junior

While there is limited autonomy in the lower tiers of military service, the concept of being trained as a killer and given access to deadly weapons is enough to make it a much more serious responsibility than having a drink.

A 17 y/o behind a wheel on friday night has a much higher chance of probable loss than a guy with an m4 who's been told to shoot between the red barrel and the white barrel at the smirking cardboard people.

also LMFAO "trained as a killer". you've watched FMJ too much

Who said anything about drinking and driving? You're stretching and distorting the facts to fit your argument. You're out of your mind. I have a close friend who joined the Marines and ended up in an ambush in Afghanistan at 20 years old. He had to kill 2 insurgents and watch 3 of his friends get killed. Don't talk to me about FMJ. The kid has never been the same.

Who said anything about drinking and driving? You're stretching and distorting the facts to fit your argument. You're out of your mind.

hartsickdiscipl

ILL MAKE THE POINT REALLY CLEAR THIS TIME

Most people have access to destructive and dangerous equipment and knowledge, the military is one of the few places where you are constantly supervised when using it.

You're out of your mind.

hartsickdiscipl

haha

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Who said anything about drinking and driving? You're stretching and distorting the facts to fit your argument. You're out of your mind.

pie-junior

ILL MAKE THE POINT REALLY CLEAR THIS TIME

Most people have access to destructive and dangerous equipment and knowledge, the military is one of the few places where you are constantly supervised when using it.

You're out of your mind.

hartsickdiscipl

haha

Practical experience disagrees with your analysis. Give it up.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

ILL MAKE THE POINT REALLY CLEAR THIS TIME

Most people have access to destructive and dangerous equipment and knowledge, the military is one of the few places where you are constantly supervised when using it.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

You're out of your mind.

hartsickdiscipl

haha

Practical experience disagrees with your analysis. Give it up.

whose practical experience?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

haha

pie-junior

Practical experience disagrees with your analysis. Give it up.

whose practical experience?

How about all the 18-20 year-olds who ended up having to do more than "shoot at barrels?" Ask a few of them. Besides, your whole argument is based on people drinking too much and then doing things that are inherently dangerous, like drunk driving. Drinking in an of itself isn't a particularly dangerous thing to do. Why not just supervise the young drinkers too? Then their horribly dangerous antics will be no more harmful than those young soldiers who do nothing more than shoot at barrels under close supervision? :lol:

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Practical experience disagrees with your analysis. Give it up.

hartsickdiscipl

whose practical experience?

How about all the 18-20 year-olds who ended up having to do more than "shoot at barrels?" Ask a few of them. Besides, your whole argument is based on people drinking too much and then doing things that are inherently dangerous, like drunk driving. Drinking in an of itself isn't a particularly dangerous thing to do. Why not just supervise the young drinkers too? Then their horribly dangerous antics will be no more harmful than those young soldiers who do nothing more than shoot at barrels under close supervision? :lol:

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

whose practical experience?

LiquidAjax

How about all the 18-20 year-olds who ended up having to do more than "shoot at barrels?" Ask a few of them. Besides, your whole argument is based on people drinking too much and then doing things that are inherently dangerous, like drunk driving. Drinking in an of itself isn't a particularly dangerous thing to do. Why not just supervise the young drinkers too? Then their horribly dangerous antics will be no more harmful than those young soldiers who do nothing more than shoot at barrels under close supervision? :lol:

IDK about a coward, but definitely delusional.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

How about all the 18-20 year-olds who ended up having to do more than "shoot at barrels?" Ask a few of them. Besides, your whole argument is based on people drinking too much and then doing things that are inherently dangerous, like drunk driving. Drinking in an of itself isn't a particularly dangerous thing to do. Why not just supervise the young drinkers too? Then their horribly dangerous antics will be no more harmful than those young soldiers who do nothing more than shoot at barrels under close supervision? :lol:

hartsickdiscipl

IDK about a coward, but definitely delusional.

lol ancient aliens guy calling people delusional

sorry, I couldn't help myself

How about all the 18-20 year-olds who ended up having to do more than "shoot at barrels?" Ask a few of them. Besides, your whole argument is based on people drinking too much and then doing things that are inherently dangerous, like drunk driving. Drinking in an of itself isn't a particularly dangerous thing to do.

hartsickdiscipl

Not a lot of 18-20 y/o have had to do a lot more than 'shooting at barrels' (i'm not talking about training either, you designate fire permiters in combat).

My argument is based on the fact that soldiers aren't required to be more mature than civilians their age- and that that argument, therfore, make a poor rationale for changing the drinkng age.

really Idgaf what's the arbitrary drinking limit.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

whose practical experience?

LiquidAjax

How about all the 18-20 year-olds who ended up having to do more than "shoot at barrels?" Ask a few of them. Besides, your whole argument is based on people drinking too much and then doing things that are inherently dangerous, like drunk driving. Drinking in an of itself isn't a particularly dangerous thing to do. Why not just supervise the young drinkers too? Then their horribly dangerous antics will be no more harmful than those young soldiers who do nothing more than shoot at barrels under close supervision? :lol:

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

How about all the 18-20 year-olds who ended up having to do more than "shoot at barrels?" Ask a few of them. Besides, your whole argument is based on people drinking too much and then doing things that are inherently dangerous, like drunk driving. Drinking in an of itself isn't a particularly dangerous thing to do.

pie-junior

Not a lot of 18-20 y/o have had to do a lot more than 'shooting at barrels' (i'm not talking about training either, you designate fire permiters in combat).

My argument is based on the fact that soldiers aren't required to be more mature than civilians their age- and that that argument, therfore, make a poor rationale for changing the drinkng age.

really Idgaf what's the arbitrary drinking limit.

Nobody here said that young soldiers are necessarily mature. That's not the argument at all. I'm a proponent of raising the age of enlistment. Of course the military wouldn't like that, because people blindly follow orders less and less the older they get.

The very nature of military service is geared towards violence and killing, tempered with some attempt at discipline. The soldiers are brainwashed into thinking that they are doing the right thing. How does the scope of that undertaking not seem far more serious than having a few beers?

The very nature of military service is geared towards violence and killing, tempered with some attempt at discipline. The soldiers are brainwashed into thinking that they are doing the right thing. How does the scope of that undertaking not seem far more serious than having a few beers?

hartsickdiscipl

being geared towards (even using) violence and killing is more mundane than you think, it is not different than being geared towards other endeavours and it isn't difficult to do.

there's no relation in rationales. combat soldiers are not mature and their profession doesn't mandate having it, in the first place. There's many times lot more responsibility and reqired maturity in civilian jobs where 20 year olds work.

It's cute you can sit in your chair and act like a wise ass.LiquidAjax

That's definitely what it seems like he's doing.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] It's cute you can sit in your chair and act like a wise ass.kingkong0124

That's definitely what it seems like he's doing.

If you can join the military, fight and die for you country...you should be able to have a drink legally. It doesn't make sense.LiquidAjax

where you have people do your laundry for you and cook your meals.pie-junior

There are a myraid number of reasons why the military cooks food for you and it has nothing to do with how much or lack of maturity someone has. As far as laundry, outside of boot camp, everyone is on their own to get that done though linens are still washed by base personnel, at least for those living in the barracks. Even in boot camp, there are times one has to do their own laundry. Everyone has to iron their own uniforms no matter what.

You are wrong. Minors can drink alcohol in many states with parental supervision. You have to be 21 to BUY ALCOHOL. Not to drink. Im perfectly fine with the BUYING age of being 21 Diablo-B

You are wrong. Minors can drink alcohol in many states with parental supervision. You have to be 21 to BUY ALCOHOL. Not to drink. Im perfectly fine with the BUYING age of being 21 Diablo-B

[Citation needed.]

[QUOTE="Diablo-B"]You are wrong. Minors can drink alcohol in many states with parental supervision. You have to be 21 to BUY ALCOHOL. Not to drink. Im perfectly fine with the BUYING age of being 21 Rich3232

[QUOTE="Diablo-B"]You are wrong. Minors can drink alcohol in many states with parental supervision. You have to be 21 to BUY ALCOHOL. Not to drink. Im perfectly fine with the BUYING age of being 21 WhiteKnight77

[Citation needed.]

I'll give you some citations, but google exists for a reason.

http://drinkingage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002591

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_state_can_minors_drink_alcohol_with_parental_consent

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Diablo-B"]You are wrong. Minors can drink alcohol in many states with parental supervision. You have to be 21 to BUY ALCOHOL. Not to drink. Im perfectly fine with the BUYING age of being 21 Diablo-B

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="Diablo-B"]You are wrong. Minors can drink alcohol in many states with parental supervision. You have to be 21 to BUY ALCOHOL. Not to drink. Im perfectly fine with the BUYING age of being 21 Diablo-B

[Citation needed.]

I'll give you some citations, but google exists for a reason.

http://drinkingage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002591

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_state_can_minors_drink_alcohol_with_parental_consent

Both of those state that Georgia allows for parents to serve alcohol to minors, yet the funny thing is, more parents are getting busted for doing so, but it is usually due to serving alcohol to more than just their kids and after a complaint is logded for some other reason such as a noise complaint or when an underage drinker has a wreck and is found to have alcohol in their system.

Unless there was a draft, nobody is forcing you to go into the military. So if it is your decision to go into the military and not further pursue your education at 18, that's your own fault. However, I see your point. The military was plan B for many people who couldn't get into college after high school...therefore, drink up.

Unless there was a draft, nobody is forcing you to go into the military. So if it is your decision to go into the military and not further pursue your education at 18, that's your own fault. However, I see your point. The military was plan B for many people who couldn't get into college after high school...therefore, drink up.

0mega3FattyAcid

The legal drinking age here is 18 ._.

[QUOTE="0mega3FattyAcid"]

Unless there was a draft, nobody is forcing you to go into the military. So if it is your decision to go into the military and not further pursue your education at 18, that's your own fault. However, I see your point. The military was plan B for many people who couldn't get into college after high school...therefore, drink up.

LiquidAjax

I dunno...18 is still pretty immature. Not sure if I want 18 year olds abusing alcohol legally with access to an arsenal of weapons.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="0mega3FattyAcid"]

Unless there was a draft, nobody is forcing you to go into the military. So if it is your decision to go into the military and not further pursue your education at 18, that's your own fault. However, I see your point. The military was plan B for many people who couldn't get into college after high school...therefore, drink up.

0mega3FattyAcid

I dunno...18 is still pretty immature. Not sure if I want 18 year olds abusing alcohol legally with access to an arsenal of weapons.

The drinking age should be 16 for beer, 18 for harder stuff. It works well in Germany.

If you can join the military, fight and die for you country...you should be able to have a drink legally. It doesn't make sense.LiquidAjax

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]I don't understand the connection between joining the military and drinking alcohol.hartsickdiscipl

The idea that a person can have the judgment and maturity to join the military, handle deadly weapons, and go to war but not be allowed to buy and consume alcohol is absurd. That's the issue.

No, we have enough drunkies as it is.

No, we have enough drunkies as it is.

soulless4now

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"]If you can join the military, fight and die for you country...you should be able to have a drink legally. It doesn't make sense.Serraph105

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="0mega3FattyAcid"]

Unless there was a draft, nobody is forcing you to go into the military. So if it is your decision to go into the military and not further pursue your education at 18, that's your own fault. However, I see your point. The military was plan B for many people who couldn't get into college after high school...therefore, drink up.

0mega3FattyAcid

I dunno...18 is still pretty immature. Not sure if I want 18 year olds abusing alcohol legally with access to an arsenal of weapons.

If you're too immature to drink at 18, you're too immature to join the military.

It's not like the law is that hard to get around

and 21 isn't even that old. You'll be there soon enough and won't even care after that

Bane_09

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="LiquidAjax"]If you can join the military, fight and die for you country...you should be able to have a drink legally. It doesn't make sense.LiquidAjax

[QUOTE="0mega3FattyAcid"]

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] all i'm saying is, if you can risk your life for your country, you should be able to have a cold brew.hartsickdiscipl

I dunno...18 is still pretty immature. Not sure if I want 18 year olds abusing alcohol legally with access to an arsenal of weapons.

If you're too immature to drink at 18, you're too immature to join the military.

too immature to join the military? I thought that was one of the requirements