Drop in Circumcisions Would Boost Health Care Costs

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#1 tenaka2
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The recent decline in the percentage of U.S. boys who are circumcised may lead to an increase in future healthcare costs and sexually transmitted infections, according to a new study.

http://www.livescience.com/22541-circumcision-health-care.html

The decrease in the circumcision rate occurred over the same time period in which researchers found increasing evidence of the procedure's health benefits, the researchers said.

Studies conducted in Africa have shown that circumcision reduces the risk of acquiring HIV by about 60 percent, and the risk of acquiring human papillomavirus (HPV), by about 50 percent, said Dr. Stephen Moses, a medical microbiology professor at the University of Manitoba in Canada, who was not involved in the new study. Women whose male partners have been circumcised also have a lower risk of some vaginal infections, Moses said.

"If you put all that together, it's a pretty substantial healthbenefit overall," Moses said.

Studies conducted in the United States, although less rigorous in their design, have found similar benefits.

But so far, 18 states have abolished Medicaid coverage for male infant circumcision, the researchers said.

In the new study, Dr. Aaron Tobian of Johns Hopkins University and colleagues created a computer program that assumed 10 percent of males born in a given year were circumcised. The researchers said they chose 10 percent because that is the percentage of boys circumcised in Europe, where insurance coverage for circumcision is limited.

Under this scenario, HIV infections would increase by an estimated 12.2 percent, compared with the current number of cases among sexually active men. HPV infections would increase by an estimated 29.1 percent, and genital herpes infections would increase by 19.8 percent. Additionally, 26,800 more boys would develop urinary tract infections during infancy than currently do, the researchers found.

Among women, cases of bacterial vaginosis would be expected to increase by 51.2 percent, and cases of infection with high-risk HPV types would increase by 18.3 percent.

These results are based on the current prevalence of sexually transmitted infections in the United States. If there was a new treatment available, such as a vaccine for HIV, then the benefit of circumcision would have to be recalculated, Moses said.

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Even though I am irish, I'm not drunk.

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Not bad, my terminals keep crashing which is good, but the currrent build is essentially dead so waiting on a new one.

cut/uncut used to be a popular OT talking point and one point.

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#7 DynamiteRoll
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I demand Obama pay for my baby's circumcision.

Of course, by the time I have a baby he'll be out of office, but that won't stop me from demanding it!

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I'm not surprised by this. When you are going to be a parent, you have to consider this if you are having a boy. I know it's become popular to no have your child circumcised to avoid the stigma of "genital mutilation", but in this case, it's prevents disease. I think that's a wirthwhile trade. I'm certainly not upset that I don't have a turtleneck.

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#9 tumbIew33d
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That's a strong argument for giving people the option at the age that they become sexually active.
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#10 lloveLamp
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and killing all babies would also decrease future health care costs. so lets do that
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#11 DynamiteRoll
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and killing all babies would also decrease future health care costs. so lets do thatlloveLamp

Or we could just kill every sick person. That'd be sure to lower those costs.

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to be fair it is true from a medical point of view that circumsized people tendo to have less infections and so on. But fuk that i wouldn't do that to my kid.

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I'm not surprised by this. When you are going to be a parent, you have to consider this if you are having a boy. I know it's become popular to no have your child circumcised to avoid the stigma of "genital mutilation", but in this case, it's prevents disease. I think that's a wirthwhile trade. I'm certainly not upset that I don't have a turtleneck.

jimkabrhel

but it only "helps", if you have a good hygine you shouldn't have any problems and just because a baby can't talk to say fuk you this hurts, doesn't mean he doesnt feel it.

Plus it's said people without it enjoy more sex. so big +

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#14 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

I'm not surprised by this. When you are going to be a parent, you have to consider this if you are having a boy. I know it's become popular to no have your child circumcised to avoid the stigma of "genital mutilation", but in this case, it's prevents disease. I think that's a wirthwhile trade. I'm certainly not upset that I don't have a turtleneck.

Krelian-co

but it only "helps", if you have a good hygine you shouldn't have any problems and just because a baby can't talk to say fuk you this hurts, doesn't mean he doesnt feel it.

Plus it's said people without it enjoy more sex. so big +

I think you mean enjoy much much faster sex :P

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People are usually circumcised at a young age, fear of STDs should even be a thing at that point

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If that African study they refer to is the same I've read about, it's a highly flawed one.
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#17 tenaka2
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If that African study they refer to is the same I've read about, it's a highly flawed one.PernicioEnigma

it refers to a number of studies, all showing the same results.

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#18 Communist_Soul
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Funny all the European studies say the opposite thing from the Americans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19072761

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A rise in circumcisions would also most likely lead to many teenage boys "discovering" themselves.

I really wished I was not circumcised but back then I had no idea how it all worked. I swear, if I have a boy, he's not going to be circumcised.

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Circumcision is a health benefit and all males should be circumcised. Period. In Africa they have found the rates of HIV and AIDS to drop drastically after they circumcised the men.

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ITT, hurr durr.
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Circumcision is a health benefit and all males should be circumcised. Period. In Africa they have found the rates of HIV and AIDS to drop drastically after they circumcised the men.

ShadowMoses900

There are other, much safer ways to MAKE SURE that your partner doesn't have HPV or AIDS. Of course, circumcision is always better because there are always times when people don't get tested, but being circumcised doesn't make you immune to disease. Also, saying that everybody should get circumcised is like saying that nobody should ever eat fast food in their whole life because it's not good for them. It makes no sense to me. We're living in a free country, are we not?

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Circumcision is a health benefit and all males should be circumcised. Period. In Africa they have found the rates of HIV and AIDS to drop drastically after they circumcised the men.

bloodling

There are other, much safer ways to MAKE SURE that your partner doesn't have HPV or AIDS. Of course, circumcision is always better because there are always times when people don't get tested, but being circumcised doesn't make you immune to disease. Also, saying that everybody should get circumcised is like saying that nobody should ever eat fast food in their whole life because it's not good for them. It makes no sense to me. We're living in a free country, are we not?

No one is forcing circumcision on anyone, and the opposite should be the same. Now the trend of genital mutilation and banning circumcision based on religious motives is being forced on people that want to circumcise they sons.
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Circumcision is a health benefit and all males should be circumcised. Period. In Africa they have found the rates of HIV and AIDS to drop drastically after they circumcised the men.

ShadowMoses900

Wait how could being circumcised prevent HIV and AIDS? If you stick a penis in a vag with the diseases you're bound to get it cut or uncut. Again most studies that support the view that males should be circumcised are American where 75% of the population has been circumcised. While studies from Europe where most of the population have not been circumcised found no correlation between disease prevention and circumcision.

The only reason for it today is for cultural tradition.

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Circumcision is a health benefit and all males should be circumcised. Period. In Africa they have found the rates of HIV and AIDS to drop drastically after they circumcised the men.

ShadowMoses900

Africa's result is most likely attributed to poor hygiene, and a higher base rate of STD's, not to the foreskin itself.

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I'm not surprised by this. When you are going to be a parent, you have to consider this if you are having a boy. I know it's become popular to no have your child circumcised to avoid the stigma of "genital mutilation", but in this case, it's prevents disease. I think that's a wirthwhile trade. I'm certainly not upset that I don't have a turtleneck.

jimkabrhel

Same opinion. It prevents more harm/infection worth the trade off. It's the equivalent of maybe getting your ears pierced, I wouldn't compare it to genital mutilation like some do.

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#27 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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Studies conducted in Africa

tenaka2

You shouldn't circumcise children.

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Circumcision is a health benefit and all males should be circumcised. Period. In Africa they have found the rates of HIV and AIDS to drop drastically after they circumcised the men.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Circumcision is a health benefit and all males should be circumcised. Period. In Africa they have found the rates of HIV and AIDS to drop drastically after they circumcised the men.

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LOL poor Americans.

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Circumcision is a health benefit and all males should be circumcised. Period. In Africa they have found the rates of HIV and AIDS to drop drastically after they circumcised the men.

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LOL poor Americans.

From England I take it?

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Circumcision is a health benefit and all males should be circumcised. Period. In Africa they have found the rates of HIV and AIDS to drop drastically after they circumcised the men.

ShadowMoses900

The Jews and Muslims of Germany will likely call me anti semetic, because hey, that's their trump card, but I believe otherwise.

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#32 Hexagon_777
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I love how many justify circumcising their children by saying that they don't want their child to be the center of ridicule, teasing, and other such bullying. Guess the circumcised folk are really extreme with their views, hm?
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Circumcision is a health benefit and all males should be circumcised. Period. In Africa they have found the rates of HIV and AIDS to drop drastically after they circumcised the men.

Hexagon_777

The Jews and Muslims of Germany will likely call me anti semetic, because hey, that's their trump card, but I believe otherwise.

Nobody's calling out antisemitism dude..and stop assuming that Jews and Muslims will simply get offended and call it "anti-semitism" if you say something like that. Assuming that can be implyed as antisemitism.

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#34 RadecSupreme
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Circumsion is not a health benefit, its mutilation of the genitals and its a messed up and sick thing. All the arguments for it are extremely weak and ignorant. If you support it that bad, then I suggest you go read some books on the human anatomy.

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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Circumcision is a health benefit and all males should be circumcised. Period. In Africa they have found the rates of HIV and AIDS to drop drastically after they circumcised the men.

kingkong0124

The Jews and Muslims of Germany will likely call me anti semetic, because hey, that's their trump card, but I believe otherwise.

Nobody's calling out antisemitism dude..and stop assuming that Jews and Muslims will simply get offended and call it "anti-semitism" if you say something like that. Assuming that IS antisemitism.

Case in point. The Jews and Muslims were outraged, seeing the ruling as an attack on one of the fundamental parts of their faith. You should have seen some of the videos, man.

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Hexagon_777

They should be outraged...that's against their culture and tradition. You don't remember it because you're so small and it has some health benefits, as others stated. I, personally, don't see a problem.

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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

kingkong0124

They should be outraged...that's against their culture and tradition. You don't remember it because you're so small and it has some health benefits, as others stated. I, personally, don't see a problem.

The health/medical benefits seem to be in heavy dispute and circumcision appears to be primarily a cultural thing. Some traditions are not always for the best.

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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

kingkong0124

They should be outraged...that's against their culture and tradition. You don't remember it because you're so small and it has some health benefits, as others stated. I, personally, don't see a problem.

Lets say in my religion people have to get tattoos, would it be ok for me to then give my new born child a tattoo?

People still can get circumcisions for religious reasons, they just can't force people to have one.

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So... we want the Government to force all guys to get snipped and all women to have their rapists' babies...

I need a drink.

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

toast_burner

They should be outraged...that's against their culture and tradition. You don't remember it because you're so small and it has some health benefits, as others stated. I, personally, don't see a problem.

Lets say in my religion people have to get tattoos, would it be ok for me to then give my new born child a tattoo?

People still can get circumcisions for religious reasons, they just can't force people to have one.

I'd be fine with giving your child a tattoo if it's a part of your religion, as long as it's possible without causing signifincant negative health benefits.

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That's a strong argument for giving people the option at the age that they become sexually active.tumbIew33d
screw an option, just do it. :)
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#42 MattDistillery
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I'm British/Irish and had no idea so many Americans were Circumcised.... The feck is wrong with your country!

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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

I'm not surprised by this. When you are going to be a parent, you have to consider this if you are having a boy. I know it's become popular to no have your child circumcised to avoid the stigma of "genital mutilation", but in this case, it's prevents disease. I think that's a wirthwhile trade. I'm certainly not upset that I don't have a turtleneck.

Fightingfan

Same opinion. It prevents more harm/infection worth the trade off. It's the equivalent of maybe getting your ears pierced, I wouldn't compare it to genital mutilation like some do.

The earlobes have a very low nerve density, and if the hole is small enough it can even close up. Circumcision removes thousands of nerves on an extremely sensitive part of the body, if you're going to compare it to something other than genital mutilation, how about comparing it to cutting off a nipple?
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[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

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LOL poor Americans.

From England I take it?

Proud Canadian.

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That's nice. Still should be a choice for a man when he becomes old enough to make the decision.

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That's a strong argument for giving people the option at the age that they become sexually active.tumbIew33d
Babies don't remember the pain. Do you want to feel that pain?
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[QUOTE="tumbIew33d"]That's a strong argument for giving people the option at the age that they become sexually active.LJS9502_basic
Babies don't remember the pain. Do you want to feel that pain?

I'm lost. What's the memory got to do with it? When I broke my arm, it was the experience and the effects which were the problem, not the memory. Are you trying to persuade me that hurting babies is less traumatic and consequently less serious than hurting adults?
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i'm glad my shyt is cut.

maybe that is just me though, i have always hated turtlenecks.

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A rise in circumcisions would also most likely lead to many teenage boys "discovering" themselves.

I really wished I was not circumcised but back then I had no idea how it all worked. I swear, if I have a boy, he's not going to be circumcised.

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What? Hows a circumcised boy gonna discover happy fun time any sooner than a none circumcised one?
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#50 SteveTabernacle
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] No one is forcing circumcision on anyone

My penis disagrees. I was not consulted on my circumcision, it was very much forced on me.