Drugs: What are your thoughts?

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#101 GummyBearsxD
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You cant do anything about those people who smoke everyday. Its their choice. And people who smoke everyday dont have intense paranoia. There used to it so they obviously dont freak out.
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#102 _en1gma_
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] TBH, whether or not people occasionally experience visual hallucinations or perceptual distortions isn't really so much of an issue; what is a problem is the relative minority who have repetitive bouts of intense paranoia and continue to smoke on a regular basis. What are you supposedd to do about those people?

I'm not quite sure.. In my experience, people who experience intense paranoia under the influence of THC lose interest in consuming cannabis ever again...

I can tell you from the people I had to work with on a daily basis a few years back that it's often not the case. Some people seem to be able to smoke on a fairly regular basis and have no problems, but for others, it's like a totally different drug. I know the official line is that cannabis can only precipitate early onset of schizophrenic symptoms, but the number of amotivational paranoid sachizoids I've seen make me think that may be a bigger proportion of the population than we're led to believe. Great if you're not among that perccentage, but sucks in a big way if you are.

The thing is...I have never known anyone that smokes marijuana regularly and has schizophrenic symptoms or substantial paranoia, so I honestly don't have much of an idea on what you are trying to say... If someone is going to have a bad reaction, it will be their first experience with it, and after that...there really is no reason to go back to it.
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#103 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] I just think that "hallucination" is, in a sense, a loaded term when used in this context. When I think of a hallucination, I think of cupcakes flying in the air and actually SEEING things that AREN'T there. From my understanding, no strand of cannabis causes anyone to actually believe something is there that is not in reality. I am assuming that "mild" means mere "flashier lights, heightened colors, and perhaps some exaggerated vision".Shhadow_Viper
TBH, whether or not people occasionally experience visual hallucinations or perceptual distortions isn't really so much of an issue; what is a problem is the relative minority who have repetitive bouts of intense paranoia and continue to smoke on a regular basis. What are you supposedd to do about those people?

That is a difficult situation, but the same could be said for alcohol, or dating, or driving an automobile. Some people are not set out for some of the more potentially detrimental activities. I do not see how that directly equates to complete banning. Just because something could bring out some dormant negative characteristics in SOME people, does not warrant an outright banning to me. There are so many things that bring out something bad in people, and we should not restrict all of society on the ground that some people may not be able to handle it. The more I discuss this issue, the more I lean from legalization, to decriminalization. I never want to see it advertised and pushed like most legal products, but I tire from seeing honest people suffer from illegitimate legislation.

It's often swept under the carpet, but spend any length of time in Amsterdam and you begiin to see some of the problems caused by legalisation. I'll have to dig up the article later, but there was a lengthy paper written on the situation in the years following legalisation, and the results were basically that in the years following the move to decriminalisation, there was no significant rise in the number of smokers. However commercialisation and the spread of the coffeeshop culture apparently did lead to a sharp rise in marijuana use.

The Dutch are now doing some serious rethinking of theior drug policy in general, and yet this isn't really getting much coverage outside Holland. 50% of Rotterdam's coffeeshops were shut down because school users had easy access to weed, and remember it's during adolescence that marijuana can be most damaging psychologically. Now Holland is moving towards a membership system, where only registered users can buy and smoke cannabis.

There is definitely a dark side to Amsterdam and Holland's drug policy in general, and it's plain to see to anyone who spends more than a couple of hours there. I think there are far more intelligent and mature ways for the US to handle the question than going for a quick buck solution and regretting it further down the line - ways that are better for the smoker too.

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#104 dann14v
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Weed is soon to become legal...so get ready!

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#105 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] I'm not quite sure.. In my experience, people who experience intense paranoia under the influence of THC lose interest in consuming cannabis ever again...

I can tell you from the people I had to work with on a daily basis a few years back that it's often not the case. Some people seem to be able to smoke on a fairly regular basis and have no problems, but for others, it's like a totally different drug. I know the official line is that cannabis can only precipitate early onset of schizophrenic symptoms, but the number of amotivational paranoid sachizoids I've seen make me think that may be a bigger proportion of the population than we're led to believe. Great if you're not among that perccentage, but sucks in a big way if you are.

The thing is...I have never known anyone that smokes marijuana regularly and has schizophrenic symptoms or substantial paranoia, so I honestly don't have much of an idea on what you are trying to say... If someone is going to have a bad reaction, it will be their first experience with it, and after that...there really is no reason to go back to it.

I don't know, maybe I had to deal with a disproportionately high number of them because of my job, but I assure you, they exist in large numbers. And as for the paranoia, it's so common, I'm amazed you've never experienced it.
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#106 _en1gma_
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I can tell you from the people I had to work with on a daily basis a few years back that it's often not the case. Some people seem to be able to smoke on a fairly regular basis and have no problems, but for others, it's like a totally different drug. I know the official line is that cannabis can only precipitate early onset of schizophrenic symptoms, but the number of amotivational paranoid sachizoids I've seen make me think that may be a bigger proportion of the population than we're led to believe. Great if you're not among that perccentage, but sucks in a big way if you are.

The thing is...I have never known anyone that smokes marijuana regularly and has schizophrenic symptoms or substantial paranoia, so I honestly don't have much of an idea on what you are trying to say... If someone is going to have a bad reaction, it will be their first experience with it, and after that...there really is no reason to go back to it.

I don't know, maybe I had to deal with a disproportionately high number of them because of my job, but I assure you, they exist in large numbers. And as for the paranoia, it's so common, I'm amazed you've never experienced it.

Paranoia comes mostly in new users...and is mostly the result of them worrying about something (their mindset) prior to smoking...which is the case for paranoia cases in cannabis consumption for most people.
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#107 GummyBearsxD
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Most of the time people get parinoid about getting caught smoking. This wouldnt be a problem if it was legal lol
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#108 SpaceMoose
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I could type a long post. Thankfully this vid sums up my thoughts on the war on drugs perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcIcDZCNVG0

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It seemed like that was a bit of a straw man, but then what would I expect from Penn and Teller if not some slight of hand? :P I did find the end amusing though: "Just stay the **** out of my house, all of you: the potheads and the government." Yeah, I agree with that at least.
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#109 cgoqsz
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Illegal drugs are stupid and everyone who does them needs their asses kicked. Everyone who thinks marijuana should be legalized is a stoner, also.
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#110 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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I have mixed feelings about drugs. Certain drugs such as opium, morphine, and heroin were a true scourge on society. But then again, is it really the government's role to be the nanny?

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#112 blackheart1889
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Illegal drugs are stupid and everyone who does them needs their asses kicked. Everyone who thinks marijuana should be legalized is a stoner, also.cgoqsz
lolcano

Anyway, I think they should all be decriminalized at least. Portugal and the Netherlands have decriminalized drugs, and it's been pretty successful. There should be compassion and treatment for those who develop drug problems. Also, think about all the legal drugs people use to get through their days. The office worker running off caffeine. Antidepressants so people can function better. On the recreational side, people drink in college excessively, and can fall into alcoholism. There's plenty of help available for alcoholics, so why not take a rehabilitation approach to illegal drugs as well?

Lastly, the war on drugs has utterly failed to stop, and even reduce, drug usage. However, it is great for capitalism: making criminals out of harmless citizens, putting them into privatized jails, plenty of money going towards excessive law enforcement, and so on.

Nice article about Portugal's decriminalization:http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html?imw=Y

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#113 R0cky_Racc00n
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I think there's too much drug use in society. But drug use isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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#114 R0cky_Racc00n
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[QUOTE="cgoqsz"]Illegal drugs are stupid and everyone who does them needs their asses kicked. Everyone who thinks marijuana should be legalized is a stoner, also.blackheart1889

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Hmm, I've never heard that one before.

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#115 Lto_thaG
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Everyone that supports marijuana legalisation is a stoner

:lol:

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#116 cgoqsz
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Everyone that supports marijuana legalisation is a stoner

:lol:

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How is that funny? It's true. Name me one person, even amongst any of you, who doesn't smoke weed but also supports legalization.
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#117 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

Everyone that supports marijuana legalisation is a stoner

:lol:

cgoqsz

How is that funny? It's true. Name me one person, even amongst any of you, who doesn't smoke weed but also supports legalization.

I have friends that don't smoke weed and support it.Hell,even my mother thinks it's bull**** that it is not legal.

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#118 cgoqsz
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[QUOTE="cgoqsz"][QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

Everyone that supports marijuana legalisation is a stoner

:lol:

Lto_thaG

How is that funny? It's true. Name me one person, even amongst any of you, who doesn't smoke weed but also supports legalization.

I have friends that don't smoke weed and support it.Hell,even my mother thinks it's bull**** that it is not legal.

Yeah, right.
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#119 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

[QUOTE="cgoqsz"] How is that funny? It's true. Name me one person, even amongst any of you, who doesn't smoke weed but also supports legalization.cgoqsz

I have friends that don't smoke weed and support it.Hell,even my mother thinks it's bull**** that it is not legal.

Yeah, right.

We're done here,I guess.
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#120 curono
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Only support fof medicinal pruposes. NOT for recreation. War on drugs will not end, until the consumer decides to stop buying.
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#121 starfox15
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Mexico just legalized every drug in their country.

We spend billions on people to track down other people for: smoking a plant.

We could MAKE billions on taxing marijuana. California along could save millions in getting rid of the task force against drug use and they would rake in a gigantic profit from the taxation of it. Not to mention that smaller cities in California SURVIVE on marijuana and the community around it.

Other drugs have been proved dangerous, deadly, incredibly addictive, and expensive. I don't support the use of anything besides weed. I just find it a little hypocritical when we have cigarettes and alcohol, which are 10x worse than weed, yet we can't use weed.

The history of the ban on weed has pointed to illegal immigration and the paper industry shutting down the operation of hemp plants for a cheaper alternative to the production of trees, NOT the dangers of weed.

People are still smoking weed and using it regularly. It's common practice and you can't stop it with laughable laws. the fine for weed use is less than alcohol.

There ARE therapeutic benefits of weed use that help people with breathing problems associated with asthma or something similar, and they can also work as a pain suppressor, which would be better than the intense high and dependence people develop to heroin in hospitals.

Weed is always going to be here. Its the same thing as gay marriage rights. Eventually people are going to come to grips with reality and realize that it's not hurting anybody who isn't using or doing it, and it makes no sense to not benefit economically to approve it. If we don't have a nation-wide legalization of it by the time I get out of college, I'm going to do it, and I don't give a damn who tries to stop me.

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#122 XvX_Fear_XvX
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let ppl do what they want. if they get high and do something stupid they will pay the consequences. i mean its a plant.... whos the guy who said "ZOMG WTF DONT SMOKE THAT PLANT IT MAKEZ U CRAZYYYYYYY!!!" can you believe what those people thought of him at the time?
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#123 Shhadow_Viper
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

Everyone that supports marijuana legalisation is a stoner

:lol:

cgoqsz

How is that funny? It's true. Name me one person, even amongst any of you, who doesn't smoke weed but also supports legalization.

What is this your 20th account spouting the same unfounded bs? Also practically everytime you make that asinine claim people always deny it then you claim they are lying. Give it up, there are many people whom do not smoke but are for legalization.

Besides in reference to your laughable claim, "what can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."

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#124 n00bkid
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Everything is good in moderation.
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#125 yabbicoke
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If it's not for medical reasons, just say no.....tocool340

But if I do that they won't give me the drugs. Use your head, man.

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#126 dontshackzmii
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People need medical training be for they can self medicate . If pot was legal it should only be from your doctor .

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#127 Shhadow_Viper
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People need medical training be for they can self medicate . If pot was legal it should only be from your doctor .

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You are aware many people on medicinal marijuana do not get 10 joints a week from their doctor. They are allowed a few ( up to 12) plants, where an experienced grower could get a few pounds on one plant alone. Then on top of that they are permitted to buy from care givers as well. Due to tolerance and dependence amounts that are used vary extremely. The majority of medicinal marijuana users are self medicating, with no concern from physicians, so I am not sure why you would worry about it.
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#128 johntoh4
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It exists because during the last few decades a comparatively small group of unscrupulous people, addicted to money and power, have lied to and deceived the American people on a massive scale. This evil can be destroyed if enough Americans resolve to understand why it exists and why it continues to exist. There is a political solution; it may take some time to implement, but the first step is to "Just Say Know".
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#129 Nifty_Shark
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Though I've always been suspicious of the war on drugs after taking a class on substance abuse I'm pretty much sure that it hasn't been a success. All the other problems are kind of up for grabs. Personally I think cannabis should be legal.

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#130 jimmyjammer69
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It exists because during the last few decades a comparatively small group of unscrupulous people, addicted to money and power, have lied to and deceived the American people on a massive scale. This evil can be destroyed if enough Americans resolve to understand why it exists and why it continues to exist. There is a political solution; it may take some time to implement, but the first step is to "Just Say Know".johntoh4
Jeez, man. That copypasta's as old as the hills.
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#131 cgoqsz
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[QUOTE="cgoqsz"][QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

Everyone that supports marijuana legalisation is a stoner

:lol:

Shhadow_Viper

How is that funny? It's true. Name me one person, even amongst any of you, who doesn't smoke weed but also supports legalization.

What is this your 20th account spouting the same unfounded bs? Also practically everytime you make that asinine claim people always deny it then you claim they are lying. Give it up, there are many people whom do not smoke but are for legalization.

Besides in reference to your laughable claim, "what can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."

Why don't you give it up? Only a pothead fool such as yourself would believe that left-wing mumbo-jumbo about pot being harmless.
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#132 Swanogt19
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I think that Drugs have made musicians make some great movie