Dr.Zakir Naik Proves To Atheists That God Exists

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Now what do you guys say?

Yes, but does the Koran mention evolution by natural selection?

*goes to attend my coffee*

He did? Where?

All he did was recite some completely made-up "debate" between him and an Atheist. If he wanted to prove something, he should've provided concrete evidence of some sort. But he didn't (because he can't.)

Stop trying to "prove" the existence of a God. It comes off as insecure when you supposedly have your "faith."

That's your proof?

Brilliant scientists and philosophers are not a modern development.

I didn't watch the whole video, because he more or less is making the same points over and over again.

He says "who could have mentioned 1400 years ago that the shape of the earth is spherical". The ancient greeks proposed that the Earth was likely spherical over 2300 years ago. In fact, all the questions he asked (that I listened to) were answered by ancient scholars long before the Quran was even written.

That's your proof?

Brilliant scientists and philosophers are not a modern development.

I didn't watch the whole video, because he more or less is making the same points over and over again.

He says "who could have mentioned 1400 years ago that the shape of the earth is spherical". The ancient greeks proposed that the Earth was likely spherical over 2300 years ago. In fact, all the questions he asked (that I listened to) were answered by ancient scholars long before the Quran was even written.

Yes, but does the Koran mention evolution by natural selection?

Stesilaus

Hmm, I'm wondering about this myself. What is Islam's view on evolution? Some Muslims I speak to say that they are fine with the concept of evolution in all lifeforms EXCEPT for humans. Why humans would somehow be exempt from evolution when every other creature on this planet evolves is beyond me.

Could you enlighten me on this issue, TC? The Muslims I spoke to might be completely misinformed. I'm not sure.

well i'm not an atheist because of science so this guy isn't really convincing someone like me.

If the Big Bang was mentioned in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago, then why were the ones who first developed the Big Bang theory not Muslims?

This is the problem I always have with the argument that the Qur'an contains all these scientific facts: the "discovery" that the Qur'an supposedly contains them always postdates that discovery of the facts themselves. First a discovery of a scientific fact is made by scientists, then Muslims go look in the Qur'an and try to figure out where this fact is mentioned.

All the rest of the arguments are basically the same.

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That's your proof?

Brilliant scientists and philosophers are not a modern development.

I didn't watch the whole video, because he more or less is making the same points over and over again.

He says "who could have mentioned 1400 years ago that the shape of the earth is spherical". The ancient greeks proposed that the Earth was likely spherical over 2300 years ago. In fact, all the questions he asked (that I listened to) were answered by ancient scholars long before the Quran was even written.

phoenix-serpent

correct me if im wrong but they never even got near to it. even Christopher Columbus went to see for himself but ended up finding America

Actually, not only did the ancient Greeks some 2000+ years ago know that the Earth was spherical, they even calculated its curvature with surprising accuracy.

Don't get taken in by these lies. Think for yourself! Is the earth really egg shaped? Didn't anyone know about fresh and salt water before Islam? etc.

Full rebuttal here:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/

Is the earth really egg shaped?

RationalAtheist

Well, technically speaking it is, depending on what egg we're talking about. The Earth is known to be a very slight oblate spheroid, rather than a perfect sphere.

I couldnt even discern what he was saying... =/

That link has not changed my view - but don't let that stop you worshipping your deity

That's your proof?

Brilliant scientists and philosophers are not a modern development.

I didn't watch the whole video, because he more or less is making the same points over and over again.

He says "who could have mentioned 1400 years ago that the shape of the earth is spherical". The ancient greeks proposed that the Earth was likely spherical over 2300 years ago. In fact, all the questions he asked (that I listened to) were answered by ancient scholars long before the Quran was even written.

Wow, either you people can't hear him, or you don't want to.

Wow, either you people can't hear him, or you don't want to.

MasterBolt360

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Wow, either you people can't hear him, or you don't want to.

Danm_999

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Wow, either you people can't hear him, or you don't want to.

MasterBolt360

Fishing for vague literary allusions that might in hindsight be interpreted as similar to scientific principles is a very poor proof for a deity.

To boil that down to a witty saying: even a broken clock is right twice a day.

You should watch some of videos by the user philhellenes on youtube.

He has loads of videos, if you watch them with an open mind I have no doubt you'll become an atheist.

He also "debunks" those things he said, like when people say "quran saying that the universe is expanding is proof" when the quran didn't even say it was expanding it said the universe was big.

Infact HERE is philhellenes reply to the video you posted.

You should watch some of videos by the user philhellenes on youtube.

He has loads of videos, if you watch them with an open mind I have no doubt you'll become an atheist.

He also "debunks" those things he said, like when people say "quran saying that the universe is expanding is proof" when the quran didn't even say it was expanding it said the universe was big.

Infact HERE is philhellenes reply to the video you posted.

Brainkiller05

I watched the videos and I did not become an Atheist. I have always had and alwways will have an open mind.

He has loads of videos, if you watch them with an open mind I have no doubt you'll become an atheist.Brainkiller05

I really doubt this.. I am an atheists, but i don't think it would do that in general. Even though i think Phil is awesome. I have been subscribed for quite some time.

I'm sure there are several problems that could be uses to demonstrate this. One would be misconceptions about atheism, and atheists.

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You should watch some of videos by the user philhellenes on youtube.

He has loads of videos, if you watch them with an open mind I have no doubt you'll become an atheist.

He also "debunks" those things he said, like when people say "quran saying that the universe is expanding is proof" when the quran didn't even say it was expanding it said the universe was big.

Infact HERE is philhellenes reply to the video you posted.

stepnkev

I watched the videos and I did not become an Atheist. I have always had and alwways will have an open mind.

Awww responses where disabled on that video, I wonder why.

That proves nothing...

lol He thinks Atheists think there was a planetary nebula that created the big bang.

If you could prove god exists? Wouldn't that make some aspects of faith irrelevant? duxup

Yes it would. People would just worship, not truly out of faith(though that still happen)

Zarik didn't really prove anything really, you just can't.

Quran doesnt say earth is spherical. I hate when some people bring out these scientific miracles out of nowhere. Quran does not say that and neither is Quran trying to make a scientific statement. I respect Zakir Naik....but when it comes to "scientific miracles" he just goes too far.

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You should watch some of videos by the user philhellenes on youtube.

He has loads of videos, if you watch them with an open mind I have no doubt you'll become an atheist.

He also "debunks" those things he said, like when people say "quran saying that the universe is expanding is proof" when the quran didn't even say it was expanding it said the universe was big.

Infact HERE is philhellenes reply to the video you posted.

Brainkiller05

I watched the videos and I did not become an Atheist. I have always had and alwways will have an open mind.

Not sure how many. The funny thing is a friend of mine wanted me to watch them. There were quite a few different videos from different Atheists. This person waswhat Ido remember. I'm still waiting for the moment you said I would become an Atheist. You obviously know nothing about what you are saying.

Please let me know when the moment of truth is suppose to come? When I'm supposed to turn into an Atheist. :roll:

I have vowed to not get into any more religious debates here in OT. But I will say that: 1. That is an excellent video, nice job TC 2. That man is an excellent debaterrawsavon

Zakir Naik is indeed an excellent debater but when it comes to his scientific miracles...most of them are complete BS

You should watch some of videos by the user philhellenes on youtube.

He has loads of videos, if you watch them with an open mind I have no doubt you'll become an atheist.

He also "debunks" those things he said, like when people say "quran saying that the universe is expanding is proof" when the quran didn't even say it was expanding it said the universe was big.

Infact HERE is philhellenes reply to the video you posted.

Brainkiller05

depends on what translation you use:

Yousaf Ali: With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.

M Asad: And it is We who have built the universe with our [our creative] power; and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.

Quran doesnt say earth is spherical. I hate when some people bring out these scientific miracles out of nowhere. Quran does not say that and neither is Quran trying to make a scientific statement. I respect Zakir Naik....but when it comes to "scientific miracles" he just goes too far.

sikanderahmed

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Quran doesnt say earth is spherical. I hate when some people bring out these scientific miracles out of nowhere. Quran does not say that and neither is Quran trying to make a scientific statement. I respect Zakir Naik....but when it comes to "scientific miracles" he just goes too far.

AirGuitarist87

i dont see whats confusing about "scientific" :P

That's your proof?

Brilliant scientists and philosophers are not a modern development.

I didn't watch the whole video, because he more or less is making the same points over and over again.

He says "who could have mentioned 1400 years ago that the shape of the earth is spherical". The ancient greeks proposed that the Earth was likely spherical over 2300 years ago. In fact, all the questions he asked (that I listened to) were answered by ancient scholars long before the Quran was even written.

I respond the same as I would to people who think Nostradamus can see the future:

Say something vaguely and poetically enough, and you can make it fit anything. If they had all this knowledge 1400 years ago, why did they not bring it up earlier? Why did science have to "rediscover" it?

Oh right, because after science find out people went and retroactively fit their current knowledge to the Qur'an's passages.

my IQ just dropped quite a bit. congratulations, we are all dumber for having watched that. Can we please go one day on OT without some "I'll disprove you filthy atheists with bible quotes and evolution criticism!!!!!" It's getting really old and offensive. I think that there are a lot of very smart and creative people on OT, but this religion crap has peaked months ago

my IQ just dropped quite a bit. congratulations, we are all dumber for having watched that. Can we please go one day on OT without some "I'll disprove you filthy atheists with bible quotes and evolution criticism!!!!!" It's getting really old and offensive. I think that there are a lot of very smart and creative people on OT, but this religion crap has peaked months ago

Anarchy4hire82

I would assume your IQ is just fine, because he definitely wasn't using Bible quotes in that video.

Yeah cause that's what I meant

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I watched the videos and I did not become an Atheist. I have always had and alwways will have an open mind.

stepnkev

Not sure how many. The funny thing is a friend of mine wanted me to watch them. There were quite a few different videos from different Atheists. This person waswhat Ido remember. I'm still waiting for the moment you said I would become an Atheist. You obviously know nothing about what you are saying.

Please let me know when the moment of truth is suppose to come? When I'm supposed to turn into an Atheist. :roll:

Which is why I said you should watch every video, since he disproves all the points made by religious people. But I'm not going to try any more, I've given you the link... it's up to you to watch them, you're obviously stuck in your ways and NOT open minded like you claimed to be :roll:

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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] You watched all 143 of his videos? nice Brainkiller05

Not sure how many. The funny thing is a friend of mine wanted me to watch them. There were quite a few different videos from different Atheists. This person waswhat Ido remember. I'm still waiting for the moment you said I would become an Atheist. You obviously know nothing about what you are saying.

Please let me know when the moment of truth is suppose to come? When I'm supposed to turn into an Atheist. :roll:

Which is why I said you should watch every video, since he disproves all the points made by religious people. But I'm not going to try any more, I've given you the link... it's up to you to watch them, you're obviously stuck in your ways and NOT open minded like you claimed to be :roll:

Sounds like you're the one who's close minded. I have watched many videos and I specifically remember him. Feel free to post again when you ARE more open minded and we can have a serious discussion about the videos.

Not really. He just took some passages from the quran and twisted them up to make them relevant today. You see the same things with the Nostradamus people. He did make an interesting observation about the machine having an inventor. But other than that I have yet to be convinced.