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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] No it does not. There is nothing logical about aggressive violence.Laihendi
Statism has nothing to do with uncalled for violence. A logical person would see this.
You lai are illogical and a lover of wealth the lowest form of man...like John Galt.
What is lowly about appreciating material wealth? We live in a material world. Material wealth is what enables us to pursue our intellectual interests. Look at the intellectual work being done in materially rich nations (US for example) and compare it to destitute countries such as Zimbabwe.let me give you an example:John Galt
Galt was of the lowest order of man I.E the lovers of wealth. He was a simple self-dstructive charactor who is emulated by the worst politicians and con artists. Galt in his credit had good intentions but he was blinded by primal self intrest and the higher levels of his mind and spirit wasted away in non-use.
Galt was also blinded by base instincts and was unable to focus his mind on important things. His life and goals were shallow and meaningless. Once again he falls to the bottom of the pyramid. Galt never acted according to reason and rarely acted with spirit. Galt was a boring irrational character representing the lowest form of humanity.
What is lowly about appreciating material wealth? We live in a material world. Material wealth is what enables us to pursue our intellectual interests. Look at the intellectual work being done in materially rich nations (US for example) and compare it to destitute countries such as Zimbabwe.[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
Statism has nothing to do with uncalled for violence. A logical person would see this.
You lai are illogical and a lover of wealth the lowest form of man...like John Galt.
frannkzappa
let me give you an example:John Galt
Galt was of the lowest order of man I.E the lovers of wealth. He was a simple self-dstructive charactor who is emulated by the worst politicians and con artists. Galt in his credit had good intentions but he was blinded by primal self intrest and the higher levels of his mind and spirit wasted away in non-use.
Galt was also blinded by base instincts and was unable to focus his mind on important things. His life and goals were shallow and meaningless. Once again he falls to the bottom of the pyramid. Galt never acted according to reason and rarely acted with spirit. Galt was a boring irrational character representing the lowest form of humanity.
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]What is lowly about appreciating material wealth? We live in a material world. Material wealth is what enables us to pursue our intellectual interests. Look at the intellectual work being done in materially rich nations (US for example) and compare it to destitute countries such as Zimbabwe.Laihendi
let me give you an example:John Galt
Galt was of the lowest order of man I.E the lovers of wealth. He was a simple self-dstructive charactor who is emulated by the worst politicians and con artists. Galt in his credit had good intentions but he was blinded by primal self intrest and the higher levels of his mind and spirit wasted away in non-use.
Galt was also blinded by base instincts and was unable to focus his mind on important things. His life and goals were shallow and meaningless. Once again he falls to the bottom of the pyramid. Galt never acted according to reason and rarely acted with spirit. Galt was a boring irrational character representing the lowest form of humanity.
I was under the impression you had read " The Republic".
lets start with the first pyramid. It describes the three people of this world. The most populace and least constructive to the greater whole are the lovers of money. the lovers of money are a broad range of people. they can be scientists, engineers, politicians or construction workers. they all dedicate their lives to material wealth. while this is not ideal it is not a sin either. It is a byproduct of a broken economic system which stifles the motives of man. These people be them intelligent or dull do not reason for the sake of knowledge or understanding but instead do so in order to accomplish a mundane task. Now for the lovers of honor. They are much less populace and consist of the armed forces and anyone who dedicates themselves to the administration of the common wealth. These people risk there lives for others for the sake of communal welfare and esteem of their peers. The smallest class, located at the top of the utopian society described in the Republic, consists of those men and women who dedicate their lives to the pursuit of knowledge. They pursue knowledge not to be more efficient professionals or sophisticated moneymakers, but because they consider knowledge and insight to be the highest and most desirable goal for human beings. Discovery and learning ever new things is their greatest delight, and comprehensive understanding their chosen meaning of life. They are dedicated to an existence of analysis and contemplation, to a life of the mind.
What the first pyramid describes is how a society should be structured from bottom to top with ascending legeslative power (with the bottom having none).
Now for the second pyramid. this pyramid describes what constitutes a healthy human being. But first lets get some definitions. Basic appetites are just that, they are thirst, hunger, sex drive...etc. Next is spirited emotions which are things like courage, anger, ambition or any ideology. the highest is reason or logic.
The Bottom layer is what is necessary to live. if you have only that you are an animal. the second layer should reign over the first. It should make you happy,fulfilled, sentient and well adjusted. the third layer should rule over the second, thus providing man with the ability to truly understand the world and let him affect it in-spite himself.
So you have pictures of pyramids with the lowest section labeled as "lovers of money"? Someone could just as easily make a pyramid with the bottom section labeled "spirited emotions". What does "spirited emotion" even mean? What is "unspirited" about about recognizing the necessity of material wealth for life on a material world? What is a high value? What makes it better than the low values? What is lowly about the material? You are not actually explaining anything.[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
let me give you an example:John Galt
Galt was of the lowest order of man I.E the lovers of wealth. He was a simple self-dstructive charactor who is emulated by the worst politicians and con artists. Galt in his credit had good intentions but he was blinded by primal self intrest and the higher levels of his mind and spirit wasted away in non-use.
Galt was also blinded by base instincts and was unable to focus his mind on important things. His life and goals were shallow and meaningless. Once again he falls to the bottom of the pyramid. Galt never acted according to reason and rarely acted with spirit. Galt was a boring irrational character representing the lowest form of humanity.
frannkzappa
I was under the impression you had read " The Republic".
lets start with the first pyramid. It describes the three people of this world. The most populace and least constructive to the greater whole are the lovers of money. the lovers of money are a broad range of people. they can be scientists, engineers, politicians or construction workers. they all dedicate their lives to material wealth. while this is not ideal it is not a sin either. It is a byproduct of a broken economic system which stifles the motives of man. These people be them intelligent or dull do not reason for the sake of knowledge or understanding but instead do so in order to accomplish a mundane task. Now for the lovers of honor. They are much less populace and consist of the armed forces and anyone who dedicates themselves to the administration of the common wealth. These people risk there lives for others for the sake of communal welfare and esteem of their peers. The smallest class, located at the top of the utopian society described in the Republic, consists of those men and women who dedicate their lives to the pursuit of knowledge. They pursue knowledge not to be more efficient professionals or sophisticated moneymakers, but because they consider knowledge and insight to be the highest and most desirable goal for human beings. Discovery and learning ever new things is their greatest delight, and comprehensive understanding their chosen meaning of life. They are dedicated to an existence of analysis and contemplation, to a life of the mind.
What the first pyramid describes is how a society should be structured from bottom to top with ascending legeslative power (with the bottom having none).
Now for the second pyramid. this pyramid describes what constitutes a healthy human being. But first lets get some definitions. Basic appetites are just that, they are thirst, hunger, sex drive...etc. Next is spirited emotions which are things like courage, anger, ambition or any ideology. the highest is reason or logic.
The Bottom layer is what is necessary to live. if you have only that you are an animal. the second layer should reign over the first. It should make you happy,fulfilled, sentient and well adjusted. the third layer should rule over the second, thus providing man with the ability to truly understand the world and let him affect it in-spite himself.
If I have the attention span necessary I'll read the Republic, but considering a number of things it espouses in its theoretical system (massive censorship, for example) don't sound all that appealing.
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