Employee drug testing. For or Against

Currently, the use of illegal drugs is . . . . illegal. Commiting crimes in your spare time is not something that "is nobody else's business".

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Since you're apparently calling me out on not being fit to comment on life in the military, having never personally experienced it, I can only conclude that either you're being hypocritical here or you have been stoned in the past, since otherwise you'd likewise have no place commenting on the life of stoners. Is that watertight logic?jimmyjammer69

Perhaps I've had experience with soldiers ;)

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="sonicare"] You are correct, not all crimes are equal. Generally, shooting up on heroin is considered a worse offense than a parking ticket. What's your point?sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="xaos"] And smoking pot is, by many people, considered a significantly lesser offense than shooting up heroin, or parking in a handicapped space, for that matter. Which is my point.jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="xaos"] And smoking pot is, by many people, considered a significantly lesser offense than shooting up heroin, or parking in a handicapped space, for that matter. Which is my point.jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="xaos"] And smoking pot is, by many people, considered a significantly lesser offense than shooting up heroin, or parking in a handicapped space, for that matter. Which is my point.jimmyjammer69

If you guys want to get stoned, by all means do so. More power to you. I'm just not going to hire you to work for me. I have the right to do that. Sorry.

I'm for it. I think everyone on welfare should be drug tested. You can't get back into the working community without passing a drug test in most situations.

Parking tickets are tickets.:|LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Or I've had experience with stoners....;)LJS9502_basic

Perhaps I've had experience with soldiers ;)

Im againts it.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="sonicare"] It is not however considered a lesser offense by the law.sonicare

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Perhaps I've had experience with soldiers ;)

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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Nope...you have to have been in the job with the assumptions you've made.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Yes it is.jimmyjammer69

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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] LJS, I'm going to be straight: it's difficult to argue with someone who refuses to concede when he's been trounced. I think you were right, it's best not to argue with one another if we can't see sense in each other's logic.jimmyjammer69

Marijuana should be on the same level as alcohol in my opinion. And heroin and marijuana aren't even close to being on the same page. Simple possession of marijuana= misdemeanor, Simple Possession of Heroin = Felony. Huge difference.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="sonicare"] Marijuana possession is considered a lesser crime than a parking ticket. I dont think so.sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] But it is considered a lesser offence than heroin possession. Or didn't you mean that?jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] But it is considered a lesser offence than heroin possession. Or didn't you mean that?jimmyjammer69

Not really. Everyone gets drug tested, why is it specifically humiliating to you? Not crossing the line at all. Now if they targeted you every month "randomly" like some places do, I see your point.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="sonicare"] So you'd be happy if they tested for all drugs but marijuana? That way you can still do that one.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I don't do drugs, I don't intend to do drugs, but I do consider random drug testing in all fields of work to be crossing a line because I personally would find it humiliating. Clear enough?jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="sonicare"] So you'd be happy if they tested for all drugs but marijuana? That way you can still do that one.drufeous

Not really. Everyone gets drug tested, why is it specifically humiliating to you? Not crossing the line at all. Now if they targeted you every month "randomly" like some places do, I see your point.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Why would you find it humiliating?:?

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Urine testing in school? :o Thankfully, we don't have that in England. Even if that was considered the norm here for kids, I'm not a school child and don't expect to be treated like one.

Urine testing in school? :o Thankfully, we don't have that in England. Even if that was considered the norm here for kids, I'm not a school child and don't expect to be treated like one.

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Urine testing in school? :o Thankfully, we don't have that in England. Even if that was considered the norm here for kids, I'm not a school child and don't expect to be treated like one.

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Urine testing in school? :o Thankfully, we don't have that in England. Even if that was considered the norm here for kids, I'm not a school child and don't expect to be treated like one.

jimmyjammer69

I've got nothing against my employer looking through any of the work that I've done, and if he sees my performance isn't up to scratch, I've nothing against being reprimanded. I think that's a fair parallel with school testing. I don't consider my urine to be in any way comparable to my answers in school tests, and I maintain that personal life isn't something I want under my boss's jurisdiction.jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I've got nothing against my employer looking through any of the work that I've done, and if he sees my performance isn't up to scratch, I've nothing against being reprimanded. I think that's a fair parallel with school testing. I don't consider my urine to be in any way comparable to my answers in school tests, and I maintain that personal life isn't something I want under my boss's jurisdiction.double_decker

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No I meant tests in general.:P Most drug tests are a formality and aren't due to suspicions...more to find out who not to hire.

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Tiny outside risks shouldn't set precedents for what's generally or universally accepted as normal duties. There's something worrying about the trend of selling off our liberties piecemeal. Maybe it really is just me and this sort of thing doesn't bother other people, but I'd like to keep my Pee in Privacy.

Or if the job involves the safety of customers....they can be sued by the customer if an injury happens. So it is mostly to protect the company.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I've got nothing against my employer looking through any of the work that I've done, and if he sees my performance isn't up to scratch, I've nothing against being reprimanded. I think that's a fair parallel with school testing. I don't consider my urine to be in any way comparable to my answers in school tests, and I maintain that personal life isn't something I want under my boss's jurisdiction.jimmyjammer69

Tiny outside risks shouldn't set precedents for what's generally or universally accepted as normal duties. There's something worrying about the trend of selling off our liberties piecemeal. Maybe it really is just me and this sort of thing doesn't bother other people, but I'd like to keep my Pee in Privacy.

I'm for it. If i was a manager i would want to know if they were on drugs cause it could affect their performance.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Or if the job involves the safety of customers....they can be sued by the customer if an injury happens. So it is mostly to protect the company.double_decker

[QUOTE="double_decker"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Or if the job involves the safety of customers....they can be sued by the customer if an injury happens. So it is mostly to protect the company.jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] But it is considered a lesser offence than heroin possession. Or didn't you mean that?jimmyjammer69

So you're perfectly happy with alcohol testing too, since alcohol can lead to accidents at least as easily as illegal drugs?jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="double_decker"] Yep, even at a "sucky" job like McDonald's. There are alot of ways injury can happen to workers and customers if someone was under the influence.LJS9502_basic

Yes? You've nothing against random alcohol tests? A hungover employee is probably as dangerous as a guy who was stoned yesterday, and why shouldn't your boss have the right to sack you because you've been drinking yesterday?jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] So you're perfectly happy with alcohol testing too, since alcohol can lead to accidents at least as easily as illegal drugs?jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]So you're perfectly happy with alcohol testing too, since alcohol can lead to accidents at least as easily as illegal drugs?double_decker

Where would you draw the line? Coming back to an earlier example, should employers be able to check your home computer to ensure you haven't got any hidden undesirable tendencies which could also land him with a lawsuit?jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Sure...but generally alcohol is easy to spot on the pilot.sonicare

[QUOTE="double_decker"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]So you're perfectly happy with alcohol testing too, since alcohol can lead to accidents at least as easily as illegal drugs?jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Where would you draw the line? Coming back to an earlier example, should employers be able to check your home computer to ensure you haven't got any hidden undesirable tendencies which could also land him with a lawsuit?double_decker