Europe and the United States

Didn't Chancellor Angela Merkel assure the Israeli Knesset of Germany's unconditional support in the event of war with Iran?

Afghanistan aside, Germans may have to get used to the idea of putting German boots on the ground in Iran.

I strongly suspect that Germany's government will have to stage a "terrorist attack" (like America's 9/11 or Britain's 7/7) to rally the support of the country's populace. But that dire prediction deserves a thread of its own.

Stesilaus

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Didn't Chancellor Angela Merkel assure the Israeli Knesset of Germany's unconditional support in the event of war with Iran?

Afghanistan aside, Germans may have to get used to the idea of putting German boots on the ground in Iran.

I strongly suspect that Germany's government will have to stage a "terrorist attack" (like America's 9/11 or Britain's 7/7) to rally the support of the country's populace. But that dire prediction deserves a thread of its own.

RiseAgainst12

Sooner or later, Iran must be mentioned in every thread. The Mullahs have decreed that it be so. :P

Sooner or later, Iran must be mentioned in every thread. The Mullahs have decreed that it be so. :P

Stesilaus

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And the United States wouldnt exist without france, or britain for that matter since they brought the people there, so i guess you owe them.

SgtKevali

The people from Europe that settled this country were not SENT here. They were fleeing the oppression of their governments.

As for Europe being a bunch of ingrates: Gee, big surprise there. You know why the French plant trees along the roads? Cuz the Germans like to march in the shade.

I say we pull out of NATO and close all our bases in the EU. Then we'll make it clear that since Europe is FAR more dependent on mid east oil than the US, we will no longer secure the oil shipping lanes in the Persian/Arabian gulf. Let them protect their own oil supplies.

The EU has gotten away with spending a much lower percentage of GDP on their military cuz they've been allowed to remain secure under the umbrella of US protection. Time for that to stop.

Consider, maybe Europe doesn't think it is necessary to spend the inordinant amount of $ on defence that we do.

The growing lack of support for the war in Afghanistan is that it's been done before (Soviet invasion) and it failed. And we're doing it again, we're fighting one of the most difficult enemies you can possibly fight. You can't stop terrorism by invading a country. Terrorists follow an ideology, not a government of said country. We can invade countries all we like, but terrorism is world-wide. With the internet being so widespread they can co-ordinate all sorts without the need to set up in any particular country. Invading Afghanistan won't help anyone.

Our soldiers are dying for no apparent reason. As far as I'm aware the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks didn't originate from Afghanistan at all - in fact, the British attack originated from, well...Britain.

There's also a lack of agreement on what we're doing over there.

Are we fighting terrorists that we can't see?

Are we freeing people from oppression?

Are we restoring democracy?

Are we (or, the US) stealing oil?

Did the US want an oil pipeline?

Oh and no I don't think the Europeans should help the US if they choose to invade somewhere else. If the US is so uber-awesome like all the yanks think it is, then why can't they go save the world on their own? :roll:

[QUOTE="progenitorvirus"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]So you think they owe you?warmaster670

Didn't France also aid the US in gaining independence from the UK? That's what I remember from US History anyway. US citizens always rip on the French, though.

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]And the United States wouldnt exist without france, or britain for that matter since they brought the people there, so i guess you owe them.collegeboy64

Yet at the same time the EU is the largest contributor of foreign aid in the world. They certainly aren't hoarding the wealth they save.