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Why not dismantle most of the EU apparatus? Let independent states determine their own affairs and return to them their sovereignty.I agree with him, it cannot stay like this. They really need to kill the euro.
Because, really, it's more realist to think this will happen than for these nations to unify.
Masculus
[QUOTE="Masculus"]Why not dismantle most of the EU apparatus? Let independent states determine their own affairs and return to them their sovereignty. Yep. The EEC (see the Treaty of Rome) was fine. A bureaucratic moloch that undermines our sovereignty is not.I agree with him, it cannot stay like this. They really need to kill the euro.
Because, really, it's more realist to think this will happen than for these nations to unify.
PC_gamer4life
[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="Masculus"]Why not dismantle most of the EU apparatus? Let independent states determine their own affairs and return to them their sovereignty. Yep. The EEC (see the Treaty of Rome) was fine. A bureaucratic moloch that undermines our sovereignty is not. Most Europeans seem to be asleep. They only get agitated and demonstrate when their social welfare benefits are cut back by a few inches. Until then, the march to full-blown totalitarianism marches on, with Schulz as the Fuhrer.I agree with him, it cannot stay like this. They really need to kill the euro.
Because, really, it's more realist to think this will happen than for these nations to unify.
MrPraline
[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] Yep. The EEC (see the Treaty of Rome) was fine. A bureaucratic moloch that undermines our sovereignty is not. MrPralineMost Europeans seem to be asleep. They only get agitated and demonstrate when their social welfare benefits are cut back by a few inches. Until then, the march to full-blown totalitarianism marches on, which Schulz as the Fuhrer. It does, sadly. Cannot count on my government either; they would gladly give every euro Oli Rehn demands of them. New world order. Now they are f*cking with our pensions. I'm quite pessimistic about the future.
My countries government doesn't care at all about the people.They just do what the troika tells them to do.Salaries are plunging,thousands lose their works everyday.Nothing to look forward to.
The eurozone should be scrapped entirely.Only germany is benefiting from this situation.
It does, sadly. Cannot count on my government either; they would gladly give every euro Oli Rehn demands of them. New world order. Now they are f*cking with our pensions. I'm quite pessimistic about the future.[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] Most Europeans seem to be asleep. They only get agitated and demonstrate when their social welfare benefits are cut back by a few inches. Until then, the march to full-blown totalitarianism marches on, which Schulz as the Fuhrer.Praisedasun
My countries government doesn't care at all about the people.They just do what the troika tells them to do.Salaries are plunging,thousands lose their works everyday.Nothing to look forward to.
The eurozone should be scrapped entirely.Only germany is benefiting from this situation.
Sad to hear. Where you at?It does, sadly. Cannot count on my government either; they would gladly give every euro Oli Rehn demands of them. New world order. Now they are f*cking with our pensions. I'm quite pessimistic about the future.[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] Most Europeans seem to be asleep. They only get agitated and demonstrate when their social welfare benefits are cut back by a few inches. Until then, the march to full-blown totalitarianism marches on, which Schulz as the Fuhrer.Praisedasun
My countries government doesn't care at all about the people.They just do what the troika tells them to do.Salaries are plunging,thousands lose their works everyday.Nothing to look forward to.
The eurozone should be scrapped entirely.Only germany is benefiting from this situation.
I think on balance, the tyranny of the EU hurts most Europeans and most European nations, including Germany.maybe there could some kind of ... maybe like a camp.... where he could.. y'know, concentrate the people that oppose him.
That's exactly what the EU and many of its member states are trying to accomplish with the ongoing assault on freedom of speech and expression, i.e. "hate speech" laws. The thought police are in effect.maybe there could some kind of ... maybe like a camp.... where he could.. y'know, concentrate the people that oppose him.
Riverwolf007
[QUOTE="Praisedasun"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] It does, sadly. Cannot count on my government either; they would gladly give every euro Oli Rehn demands of them. New world order. Now they are f*cking with our pensions. I'm quite pessimistic about the future.MrPraline
My countries government doesn't care at all about the people.They just do what the troika tells them to do.Salaries are plunging,thousands lose their works everyday.Nothing to look forward to.
The eurozone should be scrapped entirely.Only germany is benefiting from this situation.
Sad to hear. Where you at?Greece.
We are a german protectorate at the moment,sadly.
[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]That's exactly what the EU and many of its member states are trying to accomplish with the ongoing assault on freedom of speech and expression, i.e. "hate speech" laws. The thought police are in effect. Lol yeah that's exactly what they are trying to do goofymaybe there could some kind of ... maybe like a camp.... where he could.. y'know, concentrate the people that oppose him.
PC_gamer4life
[QUOTE="Praisedasun"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] It does, sadly. Cannot count on my government either; they would gladly give every euro Oli Rehn demands of them. New world order. Now they are f*cking with our pensions. I'm quite pessimistic about the future.PC_gamer4life
My countries government doesn't care at all about the people.They just do what the troika tells them to do.Salaries are plunging,thousands lose their works everyday.Nothing to look forward to.
The eurozone should be scrapped entirely.Only germany is benefiting from this situation.
I think on balance, the tyranny of the EU hurts most Europeans and most European nations, including Germany.it hurts the people.Not the bankers,though.And goverments these days care mostly about the bankers.
[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]That's exactly what the EU and many of its member states are trying to accomplish with the ongoing assault on freedom of speech and expression, i.e. "hate speech" laws. The thought police are in effect. Lol yeah that's exactly what they are trying to do goofy It's sad that in 2013, with the fabulous tool known as the internet, there are still so many people who fancy themselves astute political observers who don't know of the many prosecutions of individuals for "hate crimes" based on speech. It's one of several steps necessary for the progression of tyranny.maybe there could some kind of ... maybe like a camp.... where he could.. y'know, concentrate the people that oppose him.
EmpCom
I think on balance, the tyranny of the EU hurts most Europeans and most European nations, including Germany.[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="Praisedasun"]
My countries government doesn't care at all about the people.They just do what the troika tells them to do.Salaries are plunging,thousands lose their works everyday.Nothing to look forward to.
The eurozone should be scrapped entirely.Only germany is benefiting from this situation.
Praisedasun
it hurts the people.Not the bankers,though.And goverments these days care mostly about the bankers.
Blaming "the bankers" is simplistic and probably only a few inches away from blaming the Jews. The truth is more complex, but grounded in the expansion of the state and the superstate (the EU bureaucracy, in this case). Don't fall for the simplistic blame game of "the bankers". Reduce the size of the state, and you increase the freedom of the individual citizen.[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="EmpCom"] Lol yeah that's exactly what they are trying to do goofyEmpComIt's sad that in 2013, with the fabulous tool known as the internet, there are still so many people who fancy themselves astute political observers who don't know of the many prosecutions of individuals for "hate crimes" based on speech. It's one of several steps necessary for the progression of tyranny. Sure it is just because you say so when in actual fact most civilised people in Europe support hate speech laws
besides being a racist fool yourself, are you aware that Europe is not a single entity?
Sure it is just because you say so when in actual fact most civilised people in Europe support hate speech laws[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] It's sad that in 2013, with the fabulous tool known as the internet, there are still so many people who fancy themselves astute political observers who don't know of the many prosecutions of individuals for "hate crimes" based on speech. It's one of several steps necessary for the progression of tyranny.MlauTheDaft
besides being a racist fool yourself, are you aware that Europe is not a single entity?
He's at least right in the sense that there appears to be widespread support for restrictions on political speech among all Europeans. Most of Europe simply doesn't have strong traditions of freedom of speech and expression.Sad to hear. Where you at?[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Praisedasun"]
My countries government doesn't care at all about the people.They just do what the troika tells them to do.Salaries are plunging,thousands lose their works everyday.Nothing to look forward to.
The eurozone should be scrapped entirely.Only germany is benefiting from this situation.
Praisedasun
Greece.
We are a german protectorate at the moment,sadly.
Ah yeah. Greece is especially bad these days. Have to admit your problems are bigger than mine. My country is doing, relatively, well [Netherlands] but it seems our politicians are way too eager to succumb to Brussels law and budget dictations. Your country has definitely been f*cked hard by the EU/ECB/IMF and Goldman Sachs creative accounting, though.Sure it is just because you say so when in actual fact most civilised people in Europe support hate speech laws[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] It's sad that in 2013, with the fabulous tool known as the internet, there are still so many people who fancy themselves astute political observers who don't know of the many prosecutions of individuals for "hate crimes" based on speech. It's one of several steps necessary for the progression of tyranny.MlauTheDaft
besides being a racist fool yourself, are you aware that Europe is not a single entity?
Please do tell how I am a racist fool[QUOTE="Praisedasun"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] Sad to hear. Where you at?MrPraline
Greece.
We are a german protectorate at the moment,sadly.
Ah yeah. Greece is especially bad these days. Have to admit your problems are bigger than mine. My country is doing, relatively, well [Netherlands] but it seems our politicians are way too eager to succumb to Brussels law and budget dictations. Your country has definitely been f*cked hard by the EU/ECB/IMF and Goldman Sachs creative accounting, though. What about immigration policies? Are you seeing a lot of burkas, niqabs, hijabs, and bearded Mohamedans walking around wearing desert-dweller garb?[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Praisedasun"]Ah yeah. Greece is especially bad these days. Have to admit your problems are bigger than mine. My country is doing, relatively, well [Netherlands] but it seems our politicians are way too eager to succumb to Brussels law and budget dictations. Your country has definitely been f*cked hard by the EU/ECB/IMF and Goldman Sachs creative accounting, though. What about immigration policies? Are you seeing a lot of burkas, niqabs, hijabs, and bearded Mohamedans walking around wearing desert-dweller garb? Definitely. I'm close to some of the biggest cities. Plenty of places in Amsterdam and Rotterdam you shouldn't walk in past 8 pm. Certainly not if you're a woman. But that's all racist and everything is of course cuddly and safe and culturally enriching etc.Greece.
We are a german protectorate at the moment,sadly.
PC_gamer4life
[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"][QUOTE="EmpCom"] Sure it is just because you say so when in actual fact most civilised people in Europe support hate speech lawsPC_gamer4life
besides being a racist fool yourself, are you aware that Europe is not a single entity?
He's at least right in the sense that there appears to be widespread support for restrictions on political speech among all Europeans. Most of Europe simply doesn't have strong traditions of freedom of speech and expression.Besides that you still can't use the blanket term "european" in this context, what are you basing this predjudice on?
[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"][QUOTE="EmpCom"] Sure it is just because you say so when in actual fact most civilised people in Europe support hate speech lawsEmpCom
besides being a racist fool yourself, are you aware that Europe is not a single entity?
Please do tell how I am a racist fool"when in actual fact most civilised people in Europe support hate speech laws"... That's why......
You're biased and so uninformed that you think it's even remotely possible to generalize europeans....
Please do tell how I am a racist fool[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]
besides being a racist fool yourself, are you aware that Europe is not a single entity?
MlauTheDaft
"when in actual fact most civilised people in Europe support hate speech laws"... That's why......
You're biased and so uninformed that you think it's even remotely possible to generalize europeans....
In this instance yes. You may also want to learn what a racist is because that quote in no way implies itPlease do tell how I am a racist fool[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]
besides being a racist fool yourself, are you aware that Europe is not a single entity?
MlauTheDaft
"when in actual fact most civilised people in Europe support hate speech laws"... That's why......
You're biased and so uninformed that you think it's even remotely possible to generalize europeans....
I don't think it's racist to say that in one dimension, there is widespread support among Europeans. In this instance, widespread support for the Orwellian-named "hate speech" laws.The EU by design, monstrosity that it is, is necessarily incompetent and disconnected from the people it claims to represent.i would support this if the EU wasn't a terrible and incompetent government.
frannkzappa
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]The EU by design, monstrosity that it is, is necessarily incompetent and disconnected from the people it claims to represent.i would support this if the EU wasn't a terrible and incompetent government.
PC_gamer4life
mhm
[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] Definitely. I'm close to some of the biggest cities. Plenty of places in Amsterdam and Rotterdam you shouldn't walk in past 8 pm. Certainly not if you're a woman. But that's all racist and everything is of course cuddly and safe and culturally enriching etc.PC_gamer4lifeYou are a disgrace to the tolerant culture we've managed to protect. I live in rotterdam and only see 1 burka a month tops. I don't agree with burkas either but your constant hatred against muslims has to stop. You are flat out lying about women being unsafe after 8 pm. and I live in the afrikaanderbuurt...just stop...:|
yeah and the USA has the WBC, doesn't mean they own the country.
[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] You are a disgrace to the tolerant culture we've managed to protect. I live in rotterdam and only see 1 burka a month tops. I don't agree with burkas either but your constant hatred against muslims has to stop. You are flat out lying about women being unsafe after 8 pm. and I live in the afrikaanderbuurt...just stop...:|frannkzappa
yeah and the USA has the WBC, doesn't mean they own the country.
You're joking, right? The WBC is like twenty people. We see millions of Mohamedans like this demonstrating around the West, from Amsterdam to London to Marseilles to Sydney to Toronto. I guess I shouldn't be surprised of this stupidity, consider that earlier you spoke highly of the concept of the massive EU metastate.[QUOTE="frannkzappa"][QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]
PC_gamer4life
yeah and the USA has the WBC, doesn't mean they own the country.
You're joking, right? The WBC is like twenty people. We see millions of Mohamedans like this demonstrating around the West, from Amsterdam to London to Marseilles to Sydney to Toronto. I guess I shouldn't be surprised of this stupidity, consider that earlier you spoke highly of the concept of the massive EU metastate.and how much political pull do these groups have?
also whats wrong with a meta state if it is mangaged and governed well?
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