European Parliament President Martin Schulz and his Fourth Reich fantasy

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

yeah and the USA has the WBC, doesn't mean they own the country.

frannkzappa

and how much political pull do these groups have?

also whats wrong with a meta state if it is mangaged and governed well?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] You're joking, right? The WBC is like twenty people. We see millions of Mohamedans like this demonstrating around the West, from Amsterdam to London to Marseilles to Sydney to Toronto. I guess I shouldn't be surprised of this stupidity, consider that earlier you spoke highly of the concept of the massive EU metastate.PC_gamer4life

and how much political pull do these groups have?

also whats wrong with a meta state if it is mangaged and governed well?

that's an assumption... and a wrong one at that.

you also massively overstate the presence of Muslims in Europe. your rhetoric is also eerily similar to Hitlers, just letting you know.

as for meta states, they have nothing to do with a hyper centralized government, look at the united states.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

and how much political pull do these groups have?

also whats wrong with a meta state if it is mangaged and governed well?

frannkzappa

that's an assumption... and a wrong one at that.

you also massively overstate the presence of Muslims in Europe. your rhetoric is also eerily similar to Hitlers, just letting you know.

as for meta states, they have nothing to do with a hyper centralized government, look at the united states.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] They have plenty of political pull. The political left, clearly your team, are pandering to these Mohamedans all the time and coordinating with all sorts of Islamist and Islamist-friendly interest groups: CAIR, Quilliam Foundation, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc. High level politicians in many Western countries meet with these representatives and implement policies inspired by their advocacy. Look at Al-Jazeera, look at the UN, look at PressTV, look at Al-Arabiya, look at the changing demographics of Europe with skyrocketing Mohamedan populations. Look how the EU wants to compartmentalize Hezbollah into its "militant" and "non-militant" factions in order to remove it from the list of terrorist organizations. It'd be like compartmentalizing the Nazi or Soviet regimes, with the Hitler Youth and Young Pioneers being viewed as legitimate children's charities. As far as the massive metastate, it'd probably take too long to explain it to you if you don't already understand the inevitable disastrous consequences of centralization of most economic and socio-cultural planning. PC_gamer4life

that's an assumption... and a wrong one at that.

you also massively overstate the presence of Muslims in Europe. your rhetoric is also eerily similar to Hitlers, just letting you know.

as for meta states, they have nothing to do with a hyper centralized government, look at the united states.

... i hate the EU, don't know if you realize that.

also rights granted by god,lol.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

that's an assumption... and a wrong one at that.

you also massively overstate the presence of Muslims in Europe. your rhetoric is also eerily similar to Hitlers, just letting you know.

as for meta states, they have nothing to do with a hyper centralized government, look at the united states.

frannkzappa

... i hate the EU, don't know if you realize that.

also rights granted by god,lol.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] All this tells us is that you're a left-winger who doesn't realize he's a left-winger. You can't be supportive of massive centralized planning via the monstrosity that is the EU and tell us you're not of the left. It's like people saying the Soviet Union would've worked had it not been for the bad leadership. It's hilarious being told by a leftist like yourself, openly sympathetic to the massive tyrannical bureaucracy that is the EU, that I sound like Hitler Hitler was from your team, and shared much in common with you. Myself, on the other hand, I recognize unalienable individual rights granted by God, which is the antithesis of Nazism, Communism, and the ideologies to which you subscribe which essentially rebranded as socialism or progressivism.PC_gamer4life

... i hate the EU, don't know if you realize that.

also rights granted by god,lol.

Rights aren't inherent. they are a complex system of man made agreements between a citizenry and a state.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] All this tells us is that you're a left-winger who doesn't realize he's a left-winger. You can't be supportive of massive centralized planning via the monstrosity that is the EU and tell us you're not of the left. It's like people saying the Soviet Union would've worked had it not been for the bad leadership. It's hilarious being told by a leftist like yourself, openly sympathetic to the massive tyrannical bureaucracy that is the EU, that I sound like Hitler Hitler was from your team, and shared much in common with you. Myself, on the other hand, I recognize unalienable individual rights granted by God, which is the antithesis of Nazism, Communism, and the ideologies to which you subscribe which essentially rebranded as socialism or progressivism.PC_gamer4life

... i hate the EU, don't know if you realize that.

also rights granted by god,lol.

the EU is a socialist and badly run system. there is little that i like about it. as for the people they are same as anywhere else, i judge them as i meet them.

a state formed by a conglomeration of former states is not inherently good or bad, it also describes every country on the planet.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]As an isolated comment, an individual could assert Martin Schulz was expressing that he wants change, but not necessarily a unified European government. Apparently there are other individuals who were reminded of the nazis when interacting with him. Godref Bloom is one of them and that was two years ago. http://www.google.com/url?q=http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100065308/a-ukip-mep-is-expelled-for-making-nazi-comparisons-oddly-no-one-complained-when-the-man-he-insulted-used-the-same-language-about-eurosceptics/&sa=U&ei=IjjXUZLoCIXm8QTr44GoDw&ved=0CCMQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNHX-z17P7Rz9PjimATThUva_Wn6swPC_gamer4life

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

... i hate the EU, don't know if you realize that.

also rights granted by god,lol.

frannkzappa

Rights aren't inherent. they are a complex system of man made agreements between a citizenry and a state.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] Where do rights come from? But you don't really hate the EU, you just hate the people in the EU. You've said several times that you think the idea of a massive metastate is a good one.PC_gamer4life

Rights aren't inherent. they are a complex system of man made agreements between a citizenry and a state.

and how does god protect your rights?

also stop calling me a leftist(as if that were an insult), i am an economically moderate authoritarian.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

... i hate the EU, don't know if you realize that.

also rights granted by god,lol.

frannkzappa

the EU is a socialist and badly run system. there is little that i like about it. as for the people they are same as anywhere else, i judge them as i meet them.

a state formed by a conglomeration of former states is not inherently good or bad, it also describes every country on the planet.

why do people keep calling communist stooges like Martin Schulz Nazis?

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Rights aren't inherent. they are a complex system of man made agreements between a citizenry and a state.

frannkzappa

and how does god protect your rights?

also stop calling me a leftist(as if that were an insult), i am an economically moderate authoritarian.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] Where do rights come from? But you don't really hate the EU, you just hate the people in the EU. You've said several times that you think the idea of a massive metastate is a good one.PC_gamer4life

the EU is a socialist and badly run system. there is little that i like about it. as for the people they are same as anywhere else, i judge them as i meet them.

a state formed by a conglomeration of former states is not inherently good or bad, it also describes every country on the planet.

that has literally nothing to do with what i said.

i said all countries are conglomerates of former nations, this has nothing to do with homogenized culture...quite the opposite actually.

why do people keep calling communist stooges like Martin Schulz Nazis?

Flubbbs

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

the EU is a socialist and badly run system. there is little that i like about it. as for the people they are same as anywhere else, i judge them as i meet them.

a state formed by a conglomeration of former states is not inherently good or bad, it also describes every country on the planet.

frannkzappa

that has literally nothing to do with what i said.

i said all countries are conglomerates of former nations, this has nothing to do with homogenized culture...quite the opposite actually.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] Not even close. But I know this is how you think considering you're a left-winger with an affinity for tyranny. You want your life managed by government masterminds. What the state doth grant, the state can taketh away. Give me liberty or give me death, but if it comes down to it, you better believe I'll do what I can to make sure those that die are on your side, ya dig?PC_gamer4life

and how does god protect your rights?

also stop calling me a leftist(as if that were an insult), i am an economically moderate authoritarian.

1. you didn't answer my question, how does god protect your rights. rights are meaningless if you can't enforce them.

2. as well as a retructured system.

3. as opposed too?

[QUOTE="Flubbbs"]

why do people keep calling communist stooges like Martin Schulz Nazis?

PC_gamer4life

national socialism and communism are not the same thing

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="Flubbbs"]

why do people keep calling communist stooges like Martin Schulz Nazis?

Flubbbs

national socialism and communism are not the same thing

I didn't say God directly controls or defends our rights. I said he grants them. Like I said, rights come with responsibilities, but socialists like you don't realize that.PC_gamer4life

how in the hell am i a socialist? i despise that economic system.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] More nonsense. If all nations are essentially the same, then why do we see such vast difference between various nations? This is nonsensical left-wing cultural relativism, as if culture, ethnicity, and values have nothing to do with the great variety we see on the planet between nations and peoples. Keep importing Mohamedans to the Netherlands and see how things work out.PC_gamer4life

that has literally nothing to do with what i said.

i said all countries are conglomerates of former nations, this has nothing to do with homogenized culture...quite the opposite actually.

every country that now exists occupies a geographic space. that geographic space once held multiple other countries. these other countries did not magically disappear.

[QUOTE="Flubbbs"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] Communism and Nazism are virtually the same thing. The only thing that separates them are the internationalist universal view of communists as opposed to the racial view of Nazis. One wants state ownership of all assets, whereas the other wants state direction of privately owned assets. Essentially the same thing, both command economies, both totalitarian economically and socially, and both facets of the left.PC_gamer4life

national socialism and communism are not the same thing

No, national socialism is much more akin to fascism which is far right.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="Flubbbs"]

national socialism and communism are not the same thing

frannkzappa

No, national socialism is much more akin to fascism which is far right.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

that has literally nothing to do with what i said.

i said all countries are conglomerates of former nations, this has nothing to do with homogenized culture...quite the opposite actually.

frannkzappa

every country that now exists occupies a geographic space. that geographic space once held multiple other countries. these other countries did not magically disappear.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] Huh? What is a "conglomerate of a former nation"? Do you know what a nation is? PC_gamer4life

every country that now exists occupies a geographic space. that geographic space once held multiple other countries. these other countries did not magically disappear.

they are synonyms.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] In most senses they are. Both totalitarian left-wing ideologies.PC_gamer4life

No, national socialism is much more akin to fascism which is far right.

i think i'll trust political scientists and analysts over you.

there is also nothing inherently evil about fascism.

[QUOTE="Masculus"]

I agree with him, it cannot stay like this. They really need to kill the euro.

Because, really, it's more realist to think this will happen than for these nations to unify.

PC_gamer4life

Each nation is weaker by it's self. What would happen to countries like Ireland if it did not exist? 

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="Masculus"]

I agree with him, it cannot stay like this. They really need to kill the euro.

Because, really, it's more realist to think this will happen than for these nations to unify.

Leejjohno

Each nation is weaker by it's self. What would happen to countries like Ireland if it did not exist? 

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

every country that now exists occupies a geographic space. that geographic space once held multiple other countries. these other countries did not magically disappear.

frannkzappa

they are synonyms.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

No, national socialism is much more akin to fascism which is far right.

frannkzappa

i think i'll trust political scientists and analysts over you.

there is also nothing inherently evil about fascism.

Socialism ftw guys..

Not -_-

this was a hilarious encounter that i thoroughly enjoyed, thank you for your time.

i havn't encountered so much denial and ignorance in a long time. i see bright future in trolling ahead of you.

please frequent other threads so that we can do this again.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="Masculus"]

I agree with him, it cannot stay like this. They really need to kill the euro.

Because, really, it's more realist to think this will happen than for these nations to unify.

Leejjohno

Each nation is weaker by it's self. What would happen to countries like Ireland if it did not exist? 

Ireland had been around for a very long time before the EU formed. Why would it cease to exist if there was no EU?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] No, it isn't. It's a lie that fascism is a right-wing ideology considering that the right-wing, BY DEFINITION, advocates for a small state and maximum individual liberty - which is completely antithetical to the state-run economy and authoritarian nature of the fascist system. I understand, though, that you need to believe that there is an equally weighted evil ideology on the right to balance out the communism of the left. Unfortunately, both Nazism and communism are left-wing ideologies. Sorry to shatter your illusions, but someone had to do it. Anyways, it's pointless to continue this, you're a political noob. Keep pretending to be a moderate, though. It's cute.PC_gamer4life

i think i'll trust political scientists and analysts over you.

there is also nothing inherently evil about fascism.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

i think i'll trust political scientists and analysts over you.

there is also nothing inherently evil about fascism.

BossPerson

you just opened one big can of worms by talking to this guy.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

 

every country that now exists occupies a geographic space. that geographic space once held multiple other countries. these other countries did not magically disappear.

frannkzappa

they are synonyms.

Oh dear

kraychik v. 'zappa is looking really bloody right now

this was a hilarious encounter that i thoroughly enjoyed, thank you for your time.

i havn't encountered so much denial and ignorance in a long time. i see bright future in trolling ahead of you.

please frequent other threads so that we can do this again.

frannkzappa

this was a hilarious encounter that i thoroughly enjoyed, thank you for your time.

 

i havn't encountered so much denial and ignorance in a long time. i see bright future in trolling ahead of you.

 

 

please frequent other threads so that we can do this again.

frannkzappa

The general consensus, considering this poster's lengthy history here and apparent history elsewhere over the course of years with an identical persona, is that he is probably not trolling.

Guys, do you remember when kraychik called airshocker a socialist?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

this was a hilarious encounter that i thoroughly enjoyed, thank you for your time.

i havn't encountered so much denial and ignorance in a long time. i see bright future in trolling ahead of you.

please frequent other threads so that we can do this again.

PC_gamer4life

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

i think i'll trust political scientists and analysts over you.

there is also nothing inherently evil about fascism.

BossPerson

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] Why not dismantle most of the EU apparatus? Let independent states determine their own affairs and return to them their sovereignty.PC_gamer4life

Each nation is weaker by it's self. What would happen to countries like Ireland if it did not exist? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_sovereign-debt_crisis#Ireland

Ireland benefited from being part of the EU during the debt crisis.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

this was a hilarious encounter that i thoroughly enjoyed, thank you for your time.

i havn't encountered so much denial and ignorance in a long time. i see bright future in trolling ahead of you.

please frequent other threads so that we can do this again.

coolbeans90

The general consensus is, considering this poster's lengthy history here and apparent history elsewhere over the course of years with an identical persona, is that he is probably not trolling.

that's scary.

In a way, his tweet in the OP has a ring of truth to it. The single currency/central bank amongst the nations in the EU has really limited the monetary policy options at their disposal. The OP seems to insinuate that he's advocating for forming a single EU government (he might be, I don't know much about him), but most people I've seen who point this out advocate for a dissolution of the EU monetary system (which makes more sense and is probably more likely - albeit still a painful transition that shouldn't be taken lightly).mattbbpl

Guys, do you remember when kraychik called airshocker a socialist?

coolbeans90

and you're saying this guy isn't a troll?