Even if you don't believe in any god or practice any religion...

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

My problem with religion is that it's followers believe whole heartedly in something that can't be proven. How can anyone believe that they are 100% correct in something, but have absolutely nothing of substance to back it up? And if you can believe so strongly in that, then why do we laugh at the ancient Greeks for believing in Zeus and their other gods? There is as much evidence backing their beliefs up as Christian beliefs. I'm not saying god doesn't exist, I'm just saying I'll hold judgment until I have something that at least indicates he exists (most likely this will only happen when I'm dead).

rawsavon

Faith is a nice way of saying "belief in something without evidence", and I do have a problem with this. Why is it rediculous to have faith in Santa Clause or the tooth fairy, but not religion? We apply skepticism to everything else in our lives, but for some reason, faith and religion are exempt from this, why? I believe that skepticism is very important to intelligent thought, so it bugs me that it religion is exempt from skepticism. I'm aware that I sound like a total jerk for saying this stuff, but all I'm suggesting is that we apply the same thought processes and skepticism to religion and faith that we do anything else.

I just hate people with opinions in general who arent willing to accept that others feel differently about certain subject such as religion.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Atheists don't push their beliefs as they have none. They question others beliefs.

BumFluff122

Believing the existence status of something that hasn't been prove/disprove isn't a lack of faith.

Why is it that Humans are so inclined to blindly follow without question? All i know for sure is that religion has done more harm then good.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Last time that I check, you don't speak for all atheists. I have actually meet some atheists who deny the existence of god.

alexside1

Denying the existence of something that has no proof isn't a lack of faith.

No one cares if homosexuals believe in gay marriage. And no one cares if religious persons believe in the bible (or whatever). And no one cares if there is a difference in what the two groups believe.

The only thing that matters is whether one group or the attempts to use its beliefs to deny the other group its rights or priviledges..

For instance, homosexuals are not advocating anything that impinges on the rights or priviledges of religious persons. They are not saying that religious people cannot get married. Nor are they saying that Churches shouldn't benefit from tax priviledges. Nor are they saying that religious persons cannot have religious ceremonies in conjunction with civil marriage ceremonies. Nor are they saying that religious persons shouldn't be allowed to have anti-homosexual beliefs or their own beliefs whatever they are. Homosexuals do not object to the beliefs of religious persons, they object tosome religious people acting on those beliefs to deny them equivalent rights and priviledges. Which makes this about power, not beliefs.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Thats great. That isn't a belief. That is lack of belief.

BumFluff122

Denying the existence of something that has no proof isn't a lack of faith.

[QUOTE="Puscifer_No1"]

That threads like this and any other thread dealing with religion is forced down my throat on a regular basis.

rawsavon

Why is it that Humans are so inclined to blindly follow without question? All i know for sure is that religion has done more harm then good.

mattisgod01

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Last time that I check, you don't speak for all atheists. I have actually meet some atheists who deny the existence of god.

alexside1

Denying the existence of something that hasn't been prove/disprove isn't a lack of faith.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="redstorm72"]

My problem with religion is that it's followers believe whole heartedly in something that can't be proven. How can anyone believe that they are 100% correct in something, but have absolutely nothing of substance to back it up? And if you can believe so strongly in that, then why do we laugh at the ancient Greeks for believing in Zeus and their other gods? There is as much evidence backing their beliefs up as Christian beliefs. I'm not saying god doesn't exist, I'm just saying I'll hold judgment until I have something that at least indicates he exists (most likely this will only happen when I'm dead).

redstorm72

Faith is a nice way of saying "belief in something without evidence", and I do have a problem with this. Why is it rediculous to have faith in Santa Clause or the tooth fairy, but not religion? We apply skepticism to everything else in our lives, but for some reason, faith and religion are exempt from this, why? I believe that skepticism is very important to intelligent thought, so it bugs me that it religion is exempt from skepticism. I'm aware that I sound like a total jerk for saying this stuff, but all I'm suggesting is that we apply the same thought processes and skepticism to religion and faith that we do anything else.

Be a skeptic all you want, we are not talking about you...who cares what you think...who cares what I think...let each person think what they want to.
What the hell do you care if someone believes in Santa

You have every right to skeptical, but not your place to push that onto others...just as it is not their place to push their beliefs on you

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Why is it that Humans are so inclined to blindly follow without question? All i know for sure is that religion has done more harm then good.

EMOEVOLUTION

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Thats great. That isn't a belief. That is lack of belief.

BumFluff122

Denying the existence of something that hasn't been prove/disprove isn't a lack of faith.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

Denying the existence of something that hasn't been prove/disprove isn't a lack of faith.

alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Thats great. That isn't a belief. That is lack of belief.

BumFluff122

Denying the existence of something that hasn't been prove/disprove isn't a lack of faith.

God may exist (As in the Begining of all) But what most Atheists disagree with is all the sotries that religions create to try to convince people. Any religon that tells a story and produces so called proof loses all credibility in my book.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Why is it that Humans are so inclined to blindly follow without question? All i know for sure is that religion has done more harm then good.

EMOEVOLUTION

But how many founded the new technologies because of their religious backgrounds? I don't necessarliy agree with mattisgod, but you can't claim religion is responsible for generators because Michael Faraday was religious.

Sorry, I attributed the firstquote to the wrong person initially, but it's fixed.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

Denying the existence of something that hasn't been prove/disprove isn't a lack of faith.

mattisgod01

God may exist (As in the Begining of all) But what most Atheists disagree with is all the sotries that religions create to try to convince people. Any religon that tells a story and produces so called proof loses all credibility in my book.

It doesn't bother me at all. I'm not religious, but I find hardcore atheists much more annoying than religious folk.

Pirate700

@BumFluff122 I have to let you know that it is arrogant to say that all Christians deny the theory of evolution.

@BumFluff122 I have to let you know that it is arrogant that all Christians deny the theory of evolution.alexside1

@BumFluff122 I have to let you know that it is arrogant to say that all Christians deny the theory of evolution.

alexside1

When did he say that? And to be fair, I don't think many Christians believe in the full implications of naturalistic evolution. It's hard to reconcile theism with humanity's subsequent lack of "specialness".

@BumFluff122 I have to let you know that it is arrogant to say that all Christians deny the theory of evolution.

alexside1

just saw your edit...all goodrawsavon

What annoys you so much about people who do?

Nintendevil

that's easy. It's when they feel "obligated" to "educate" me on how I should act, what I can (or cannot say) and then give me the stink-eye because my beliefs are different. the icing on the cake is when they start to act like a "superior being" because they're "enlightened". this has happened about half a dozen times, usually it was what I call "Jesus Salesman",which didn't bother me as much as the couple times a classmate of mine pulled this stunt. he was then thrown out of the house for being a major buzzkill and thinking he could make rules in my house, when his dumb *** payed none of the bills.

I have no problem with either group. Some people like to declare their personal belief at the top of their lungs with a speaker and a drum, some just keep their belief close to their heart.

Quite often I just find it boring when people can only recite the findings of others without carefully analysing why they accept these findings. I like to see people add their own thoughts into their belief, religious or otherwise.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] So your problem is because people have faith? and I don't laugh at others beliefsrawsavon

Faith is a nice way of saying "belief in something without evidence", and I do have a problem with this. Why is it rediculous to have faith in Santa Clause or the tooth fairy, but not religion? We apply skepticism to everything else in our lives, but for some reason, faith and religion are exempt from this, why? I believe that skepticism is very important to intelligent thought, so it bugs me that it religion is exempt from skepticism. I'm aware that I sound like a total jerk for saying this stuff, but all I'm suggesting is that we apply the same thought processes and skepticism to religion and faith that we do anything else.

Be a skeptic all you want, we are not talking about you...who cares what you think...who cares what I think...let each person think what they want to.
What the hell do you care if someone believes in Santa

You have every right to skeptical, but not your place to push that onto others...just as it is not their place to push their beliefs on you

In the end, I really don't care what other people think, but since this is a forum, people tend to post their opinions. However sometimes it does matter what others think, usually when their beliefs prevents them from acting within the norms of society. For example, you stated that "What the hell do you care if someone believes in Santa". If it were an adult that held this belief, then I would assume there is something wrong with him and I would care what he thought as I would not want him near my children or at my house. Another example where someones belief matters to others is in the case of extremists. If someone believes that their religion is the only correct one and that all others should be killed, then others would most certainly care what his beliefs were.

I'm not pushing my beliefs on anyone, I am simply stating my opinion and others are free to agree or disagree.

I'm Christian, and you know what annoys me more than anything else? Hardcore Athiests... The kind who spend all day on YouTube looking up religious videos and going "GOD IS GAY CHRISTIANS ARE DUMB! RELIGION IS FALSE, AND I CAN PROVE IT!" You think us Christians are shoving religion down your throats? Heh... Wrong. Sane Athiests are fine, and so is every other religious group.

In my opinion, religion is one of the worst things to happen to the world. Sure, it gives people hope; but, it divides us all. That being said, religious people don't annoy me.

In my opinion, religion is one of the worst things to happen to the world. Sure, it gives people hope; but, it divides us all. That being said, religious people don't annoy me.

Shadow4020

What about Tom Cruise? Or doesn't Scientology count?

Dude, I'm trying to go to the magic land in the sky after I die. Apparently, I have to live a honest Christian life for this to happen. LETS DO THIS!!

I find it very annoying that there are atheist who keep hackjacking comments in youtube videos that make very little reference to religion. That and the fact there are militant atheists who annoy me with their questions all the time.

I'm Christian, and you know what annoys me more than anything else? Hardcore Athiests... The kind who spend all day on YouTube looking up religious videos and going "GOD IS GAY CHRISTIANS ARE DUMB! RELIGION IS FALSE, AND I CAN PROVE IT!" You think us Christians are shoving religion down your throats? Heh... Wrong. Sane Athiests are fine, and so is every other religious group.

Vivian7

But it's totally cool when Christians call all Athiests immoral and compare us to Hitler and Stalin right? There are extremes on both sides, the problem is they are also the most vocal, so they get all the attention.

In the end, I really don't care what other people think, but since this is a forum, people tend to post their opinions. However sometimes it does matter what others think, usually when their beliefs prevents them from acting within the norms of society. For example, you stated that "What the hell do you care if someone believes in Santa". If it were an adult that held this belief, then I would assume there is something wrong with him and I would care what he thought as I would not want him near my children or at my house. Another example where someones belief matters to others is in the case of extremists. If someone believes that their religion is the only correct one and that all others should be killed, then others would most certainly care what his beliefs were.

I'm not pushing my beliefs on anyone, I am simply stating my opinion and others are free to agree or disagree.

redstorm72

You just came off as having an issue with people just because they have faith..IMO that is wrong
-just like it would be wrong for me to have an issue with someone just because they lack faith

But this is just what I think...live and let live...but as you said, you are free to think whatever you want

Extremists are rarely (I would almost say never) a good thing.
but there could just as easily be an extremist atheist that hated all religious people "for stunting the growth of science" and go on a killing spree.

I guess my point it that we should respect those worthy of respect, attempt to love all, and try not base these things on what a person does/does not believe, but the actions that they demonstrate

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

In the end, I really don't care what other people think, but since this is a forum, people tend to post their opinions. However sometimes it does matter what others think, usually when their beliefs prevents them from acting within the norms of society. For example, you stated that "What the hell do you care if someone believes in Santa". If it were an adult that held this belief, then I would assume there is something wrong with him and I would care what he thought as I would not want him near my children or at my house. Another example where someones belief matters to others is in the case of extremists. If someone believes that their religion is the only correct one and that all others should be killed, then others would most certainly care what his beliefs were.

I'm not pushing my beliefs on anyone, I am simply stating my opinion and others are free to agree or disagree.

rawsavon

You just came off as having an issue with people just because they have faith..IMO that is wrong
-just like it would be wrong for me to have an issue with someone just because they lack faith

But this is just what I think...live and let live...but as you said, you are free to think whatever you want

Extremists are rarely (I would almost say never) a good thing.
but there could just as easily be an extremist atheist that hated all religious people "for stunting the growth of science" and go on a killing spree.

I guess my point it that we should respect those worthy of respect, attempt to love all, and try not base these things on what a person does/does not believe, but the actions that they demonstrate

Thats a good philosophy, I've got to try and be less cynical and adopt that way of thinking :D

i have absolutely no problem with people who are religious. until it stars affecting me negatively.

Religion is forced down the throats of Atheists. How many religious institutions are there around the world, you can't walk down the street without seeing something to do with religion. I get people handing me bibles or knocking at my door to tell me all about religion all the time. How many religious pay TV channels do you have?

[QUOTE="Nintendevil"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

The difference between gay marriage and religion is the many of the followers of religion try and persuad others to follow their religion.

BumFluff122

Has gay marriage not been "shoved down our necks" by the media either? Most people find a way to deal with political issues and remain sane.

You'll be glad to know I didn't assault the next gay rights supporter that bothered me.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

In the end, I really don't care what other people think, but since this is a forum, people tend to post their opinions. However sometimes it does matter what others think, usually when their beliefs prevents them from acting within the norms of society. For example, you stated that "What the hell do you care if someone believes in Santa". If it were an adult that held this belief, then I would assume there is something wrong with him and I would care what he thought as I would not want him near my children or at my house. Another example where someones belief matters to others is in the case of extremists. If someone believes that their religion is the only correct one and that all others should be killed, then others would most certainly care what his beliefs were.

I'm not pushing my beliefs on anyone, I am simply stating my opinion and others are free to agree or disagree.

redstorm72

You just came off as having an issue with people just because they have faith..IMO that is wrong
-just like it would be wrong for me to have an issue with someone just because they lack faith

But this is just what I think...live and let live...but as you said, you are free to think whatever you want

Extremists are rarely (I would almost say never) a good thing.
but there could just as easily be an extremist atheist that hated all religious people "for stunting the growth of science" and go on a killing spree.

I guess my point it that we should respect those worthy of respect, attempt to love all, and try not to base these things on what a person does/does not believe, but the actions that they demonstrate

Thats a good philosophy, I've got to try and be less cynical and adopt that way of thinking :D

I hope you were not being sarcastic...I suck at that sometimes...have to get my sarcasm detector repaired one of these days

But just a little FYI, I was not always so tolerant...life has a funny way of humbling you when you least expect it...i am grateful though
Interwebz understandings b/w atheists and Christians FTW :D

What annoys you so much about people who do? Does another persons belief in a god harm or inconvenience you so much that you have to express oppression to it? If religion isn't an aspect in your life, but is just plain wrong, what makes gay marriage alright even though it has equally no effect on you? For people who aim to be so philosophical, attacking someone with different beliefs than you seems pretty primitive.

Nintendevil

Speaking as an agnostic, I have no problem with religious people, as long as they don't enforce their views on others. I do dislike though how important Christianity is in American politics.

These topics are getting really old really fast. Stop making them.

What annoys you so much about people who do?Nintendevil

It isn't the individuals-- it's the beliefs that annoy me. One can have silly beliefs but be a great person.

Does another persons belief in a god harm or inconvenience you so much that you have to express oppression to it?Nintendevil

The belief in god is harmless.

If religion isn't an aspect in your life, but is just plain wrong, what makes gay marriage alright even though it has equally no effect on you? For people who aim to be so philosophical, attacking someone with different beliefs than you seems pretty primitive.Nintendevil

Religion affects everyone, including me. Those bronze age scriblings are the reason that gay marriage and honor killings are still issues.