even if you dont support obama, you gotta give props for what hes done allready

I support Obama and I hope it does a great job in office.

But if things turn south, I expect everyone to turn on an Obama hate bandwagon like everyone did with Bush. But this won't happen.

Ravirr

For a man who's been president for about 2 hours, I think he's done plenty. He's gotten people to expect more from their leaders. Whether their congressmen, or CEO's, people want them held to a higher standard. I think too many things were swept under the rug during the Bush administration...people just expected it, and were fine with it I guess...

The main thing I want from Obama is honesty. If he screws up, I want him to admit to it and do something about it. I got so sick of hearing, "Uh...I haven't read that report. I'll have to get back to you on it" whenever someone asked the president a question with some substance.

I support Obama and I hope it does a great job in office.

But if things turn south, I expect everyone to turn on an Obama hate bandwagon like everyone did with Bush. But this won't happen.

Ravirr

Well nobody thought things would be so bad with Bush. Then 9/11 happened, war in Afghanistan, war in Iraq. Lots of unexpected turns.

[QUOTE="Ravirr"]

I support Obama and I hope it does a great job in office.

But if things turn south, I expect everyone to turn on an Obama hate bandwagon like everyone did with Bush. But this won't happen.

shoeman12

That just depends on what "type" of media you're referring to. Fox News and the AM radio nutjobs have been negative on Obama all along.

[QUOTE="freshgman"][QUOTE="x_Martyr_x"]haha. all these obama nutjobs are in for a big wake up call. x_Martyr_x

not at all. the real question is what are you going to do when reality catches up to you. will you continue to live in denial?

Reality "caught up" with most patriotic Americans sometime in early 2006 and we have been voting Repubs out of office since then. :)

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="jointed"]Cut the crap already and let people be happy, the US is in a recession right now and people need this. All the cynics can go and stand in the corner over there, thank you.DrinkDuff

I'm no Obama fan but all these people having faith and expectations in him should help. The biggest threat against the economy is the low consumer confidence, and if people have a feeling of things are going to be better, things could start to turn around rather quickly.

In other words, the dems were waiting until after Obama became president to go buy there new car because they feel warm n fuzzy inside now.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="Ravirr"]

I support Obama and I hope it does a great job in office.

But if things turn south, I expect everyone to turn on an Obama hate bandwagon like everyone did with Bush. But this won't happen.

LosDaddie

That just depends on what "type" of media you're referring to. Fox News and the AM radio nutjobs have been negative on Obama all along.

http://www.journalism.org/node/13307

Blind faith does that to some people -- I'd bet that the majority of people who actually voted for him don't even have the slightest clue about politics.msoftburney

:lol: Right, because only McCain voters were informed :lol:

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="shoeman12"] you're right. the media will never go after obama like they did bush, no matter what he does.shoeman12

That just depends on what "type" of media you're referring to. Fox News and the AM radio nutjobs have been negative on Obama all along.

http://www.journalism.org/node/13307

Thanks, but those graphs only prove my point that Fox News was more negative than positive on Obama. :)

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

That just depends on what "type" of media you're referring to. Fox News and the AM radio nutjobs have been negative on Obama all along.

LosDaddie

http://www.journalism.org/node/13307

Thanks, but those graphs only prove my point that Fox News was more negative than positive on Obama. :)

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="shoeman12"] you're right. the media will never go after obama like they did bush, no matter what he does.shoeman12

That just depends on what "type" of media you're referring to. Fox News and the AM radio nutjobs have been negative on Obama all along.

http://www.journalism.org/node/13307

I checked your reference and these claims are sound. I wonder if they only counted news broadcasts or if they counted all programming. Not that Fox isn't slighly biased, but it seems Olbermann makes O'Reilly seem like a saint.

did you look at the rest, where it showed that they covered mccain exactly the same (actually, a little less positively)?shoeman12

And?

My point was that Fox News and the AM radio nutjobs have been negative on Obama all along. You helped me prove that.

Thanks again. :)

[QUOTE="msoftburney"]Blind faith does that to some people -- I'd bet that the majority of people who actually voted for him don't even have the slightest clue about politics.LosDaddie

:lol: Right, because only McCain voters were informed :lol:

So all these happy people being happy...what will they do when he screws up the country and resigns early? Seriously, lets wait until he has accomplished something before we get happy and emotional. As far as I'm concerned, the only people who have the right to be happy and emotional are the black people.Devour2Survive

What do you have against happiness? What did happiness ever do to you?

[QUOTE="Devour2Survive"]So all these happy people being happy...what will they do when he screws up the country and resigns early? Seriously, lets wait until he has accomplished something before we get happy and emotional. As far as I'm concerned, the only people who have the right to be happy and emotional are the black people.-Shrubs-

What do you have against happiness? What did happiness ever do to you?

I checked your reference and these claims are sound. I wonder if they only counted news broadcasts or if they counted all programming. Not that Fox isn't slighly biased, but it seems Olbermann makes O'Reilly seem like a saint.

DaBrainz

IMO, the best thing to do is actually watch the various cable news channels and decide for yourself. I actually found the news to be negative on Obama overall. Of course, I rarely watch agenda-driven shows like O'Reilly, Olbermann, H&C, etc

Here's a pre-election study that agrees with me: Obama Press Coverage Actually Negative

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="msoftburney"]Blind faith does that to some people -- I'd bet that the majority of people who actually voted for him don't even have the slightest clue about politics.msoftburney

:lol: Right, because only McCain voters were informed :lol:

It was implied.

It was implied.LosDaddie

All smoke and mirrors.

If you hear about something that is too good to be true, it probably is.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]It was implied.msoftburney

Not really.

Just the people who claim that the majority of Obama voters have no clue about politics. :) It's a talking point I hear repeated almost everyday on AM radio.

[QUOTE="msoftburney"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]It was implied.LosDaddie

Not really.

Just the people who claim that the majority of Obama voters have no clue about politics. :) It's a talking point I hear repeated almost everyday on AM radio.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="msoftburney"]So -- according to you -- anyone who disagrees with Obama is automatically a McCain supporter. Brilliant logic.msoftburney

Not really.

Just the people who claim that the majority of Obama voters have no clue about politics. :) It's a talking point I hear repeated almost everyday on AM radio.

I haven't been corrected. You're just backpedaling with your "There's more than one [clueless voter]" claim instead of your initial "Majority of Obama voters" claim. Of course there's clueless voters on both sides, depending on what your definition of "clueless" is. I wouldn't say they are a majority though.

When a blanket statement like "The majority of Obama voters have no clue about politics" is made, it's pretty easy to tell which side of the aisle you're coming from. :)

actually, you're wrong about fox news.

http://www.journalism.org/node/13307

shoeman12

All smoke and mirrors.

If you hear about something that is too good to be true, it probably is.

Dark-Sithious

no. there's nothing historic about further destruction of liberty and individualism. it's happened many times. and i don't give him props for anything, he's worthless.lilburtonboy748

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]no. there's nothing historic about further destruction of liberty and individualism. it's happened many times. and i don't give him props for anything, he's worthless.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]no. there's nothing historic about further destruction of liberty and individualism. it's happened many times. and i don't give him props for anything, he's worthless.lilburtonboy748

[QUOTE="x_Martyr_x"]

[QUOTE="freshgman"] i bet you had a wake up call when mccain got beatLosDaddie

not at all. the real question is what are you going to do when reality catches up to you. will you continue to live in denial?

Reality "caught up" with most patriotic Americans sometime in early 2006 and we have been voting Repubs out of office since then. :)

Actually, (and I am just using this as an example, no idea if it is true in local/state) Democrats have held control of Congress since 2002. And let's see what their appro...oh. I mean...disapproval rating is. Last time I checked it was about 10% under Bush's.

On another note: America is apparently made of money. We will be able to easily support that bailout plan, its pocket change! And forget about not funding NASA, we will use science elsewhere! One further announcement: Get ready for the "transformation" of our federal government to a socialist one! :)

On the other hand, if Obama can't follow through on these promises, (most of which I don't think he can) the media will bail him out. and for any liberals/democrats, just wait for the Ziegler(sp?) documentary to come out.

HOORAY FOR THE EXPOSURE OF THE LIBERAL BIAS OF THE MOSTLY (non-FOX) MEDIA!!!

One thing that I do have to admit. Obama is a very charismatic orator.

And I fear that many, but not most, people will regress into racist attitudes if Obama is a failure. As I have said though, I do not wish this to happen.

P.S. Sorry for the double post.:D

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="x_Martyr_x"]

not at all. the real question is what are you going to do when reality catches up to you. will you continue to live in denial?

Enchanting_Tim

Reality "caught up" with most patriotic Americans sometime in early 2006 and we have been voting Repubs out of office since then. :)

Actually, (and I am just using this as an example, no idea if it is true in local/state) Democrats have held control of Congress since 2002. And let's see what their appro...oh. I mean...disapproval rating is. Last time I checked it was about 10% under Bush's.

Nope. Dems have controlled Congress since 2006. You may be right about their approval rating, but patriotic Americans must have liked their plan/vision for America since they voted more Dems into congress on Nov 4th. :)

What I do know is that GWB had the lowest approval rating of any Us Prez since approval rating polling began. :D History will not be kind to the GWB years.

On another note: America is apparently made of money. We will be able to easily support that bailout plan, its pocket change! And forget about not funding NASA, we will use science elsewhere! One further announcement: Get ready for the "transformation" of our federal government to a socialist one! :)Enchanting_Tim

On another note; I find it hilarous how conservatives have suddenly become "fiscal conservatives" again once they lost so badly in elections. :lol: Never heard a peep out of conservatives with all the money being spent with no accountability on the Iraq War. Gotta love how "fiscal conservatives" pay for a war with loans from China. :)

And please keep tooting that "socialist" horn. You'll never learn why Repubs lost so badly on NOv 4th. :D And please run Piyush in 2012, he'll lose worse than McCain.

On the other hand, if Obama can't follow through on these promises, (most of which I don't think he can) the media will bail him out. and for any liberals/democrats, just wait for the Ziegler(sp?) documentary to come out.

HOORAY FOR THE EXPOSURE OF THE LIBERAL BIAS OF THE MOSTLY (non-FOX) MEDIA!!!

Enchanting_Tim

On the other hand; We Dems can't wait to watch you Repubs squirm as we get more patriotic judges on the SCOTUS. :) Just wait for those executive orders Obama will soon sign too.

We also get to enjoy watching Repubs squirm as we control all 3 branches of govt and Repubs use their only tool (filibuster) available...which ironically, Repubs wanted to abolish in 2005.

HOORAY FOR THE OBAMA PRESIDENCY!!

TO LOSDADDIE

You say that the Democrats will control all 3 branches of government. (However, I am not denying that they are) That sir, is most unconstitutional. The Framers wanted to make it as difficult as possible for any faction (now known as parties) to gain control and dominate the political scene. This would prevent radical ideas from dominating the country's policies.

And I love how you bring up issues that I did not mention like the SCOTUS instead of commenting on my (true) statement about the media. And in regard to the voting in more Democrats, I have never claimed that this nation is made of well informed voters.

And yes, I am sorry to admit that you were right on control Congress was Republican for a few years, yet even then, wasn't the margin much much closer than it has been when Democrats are in control? (Little side note: I only said that the Democrats were in control because I had heard it from someone in my AP Gov. class.)

However, most of the time, Congress has been controlled by the same party. The "odd man out" has literally been the President. Since 1945, the House and Senate have been controlled by different parties only five times (10 years). And there have been only two complete turn-overs of Congress since 1945: one in 1949 and the other in 2007. (Here is a graph that goes with it.)

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

Interesting how Republicans have had control in all 3 5 times whereas the Democrats have had total control 11 times.

One thing I forgot to look up for the previous posts: Congresse's approval rating is about 15%.

Why don't you try providing sources?

Here are a few of my sources. Now I do know this person is a little extreme, but he/she does bring up some very good points.

http://www.babylontoday.com/national_debt_clock.htm and

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

And with that I must bid you adieu sir. I fully expect to get modded/flamed for this.

Obama has not done anything as Commander and Chief, yet. I give Obama props because he is a talented speaker.

Make no mistake, though...Obama has not united America. Sure, people speak of hope that we will be united as a people. Obama speaks of that. It's a nice thought. We've come a long ways, but we also have a long way to go. I would love to see that become a reality. I fear, however, that the American people too readily and emotionally, place their faith and hope in a man that promises to change the world. He's a man who is bound to make mistakes. People are setting their expectations very high.

I hope Obama is as good at leading as he is at speaking. I really do. But, he hasn't done anything yet. Some of you people act like religious zealouts when it comes to Obama. Be realistic. He's a man. And he's a politician. Let his record of service speak for him...not your fanaticism.

TO LOSDADDIE

You say that the Democrats will control all 3 branches of government. (However, I am not denying that they are) That sir, is most unconstitutional.Enchanting_Tim

And where in the constitution does it even reference the existence of political parties or factions? It is most definitely not unconstitutional for one political party to control the three branches of government. Now you are right that many of the founders frowned upon the very idea of political factions (although it is ironic that the first political parties emerged from the constitutional convention), and the founding fathers did go through great lengths to avoid a situation where one party is basically the de facto government, but no where in the actual document does it prohibit said factions from controlling the three branches of government.

TO LOSDADDIE

You say that the Democrats will control all 3 branches of government. (However, I am not denying that they are) That sir, is most unconstitutional. The Framers wanted to make it as difficult as possible for any faction (now known as parties) to gain control and dominate the political scene. This would prevent radical ideas from dominating the country's policies.

And I love how you bring up issues that I did not mention like the SCOTUS instead of commenting on my (true) statement about the media. And in regard to the voting in more Democrats, I have never claimed that this nation is made of well informed voters.

And yes, I am sorry to admit that you were right on control Congress was Republican for a few years, yet even then, wasn't the margin much much closer than it has been when Democrats are in control? (Little side note: I only said that the Democrats were in control because I had heard it from someone in my AP Gov. class.)

However, most of the time, Congress has been controlled by the same party. The "odd man out" has literally been the President. Since 1945, the House and Senate have been controlled by different parties only five times (10 years). And there have been only two complete turn-overs of Congress since 1945: one in 1949 and the other in 2007. (Here is a graph that goes with it.)

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

Interesting how Republicans have had control in all 3 5 times whereas the Democrats have had total control 11 times.

One thing I forgot to look up for the previous posts: Congresse's approval rating is about 15%.

Why don't you try providing sources?

Here are a few of my sources. Now I do know this person is a little extreme, but he/she does bring up some very good points.

http://www.babylontoday.com/national_debt_clock.htm and

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

And with that I must bid you adieu sir. I fully expect to get modded/flamed for this.

Enchanting_Tim

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]I don't have to wait for him to act to trash talk him. He has said what he is going to do. I know what he stands for. lilburtonboy748

Yeah, he's come a long way. I voted for him, and I hope that he ends up being a great president.

100th post ftw!