Every atheist should read this book..

[QUOTE="metroidfood"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

What da **** are you talking about? You think there's nothing "random" about evolution? You think hez a complete tool whoz disucussing that and no one else is ignorant enough?:lol: Loooooool look whoz the ignorant one!!!!

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/EvolutionNotByChance.htm

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html

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Funky_Llama

"The theory of evolution -- and it is just that, a theory -- "

Stopped reading there. If they can't tell the difference between conjecture and scientific theory, then their attack on evolution is probably just as misconstrued and poorly researched.

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]How about the fact that it's a ridiculous claim that anyone with even a basic understanding of evolution can easily refute? Christ, someone that ****ing clueless about evolution should NOT be writing a chapter of a book on it.Funky_Llama

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/EvolutionNotByChance.htm

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html

:roll::roll::roll:

And secondly since there is so much talk on this issue and apparantly not a concrete answer, I wonder how ******* clueless he is for saying thatisnt he?:roll:

And wait, you didnt know about the chance evolution theory isnt it? Huh random internet guy thinking he knows it all!:lol:

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Who made an ad hominem attack? Me?SpaceMoose

Not to mention that I don't know what Poe's law is... :P

[QUOTE="metroidfood"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

What da **** are you talking about? You think there's nothing "random" about evolution? You think hez a complete tool whoz disucussing that and no one else is ignorant enough?:lol: Loooooool look whoz the ignorant one!!!!

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/EvolutionNotByChance.htm

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html

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Funky_Llama

"The theory of evolution -- and it is just that, a theory -- "

Stopped reading there. If they can't tell the difference between conjecture and scientific theory, then their attack on evolution is probably just as misconstrued and poorly researched.

"it's a ridiculous claim that anyone with even a basic understanding of evolution can easily refute? Christ, someone that ****ing clueless about evolution should NOT be writing a chapter of a book on it."

I cannot stop laughing at that.:lol:

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]What da **** are you talking about? You think there's nothing "random" about evolution? You think hez a complete tool whoz disucussing that and no one else is ignorant enough?:lol: Loooooool look whoz the ignorant one!!!!

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/EvolutionNotByChance.htm

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html

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Stranger_4

And secondly since there is so much talk on this issue and apparantly not a concrete answer, I wonder how ******* clueless he is for saying thatisnt he?:roll:

And wait, you didnt know about the chance evolution theory isnt it? Huh random internet guy thinking he knows it all!:lol:

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

What da **** are you talking about? You think there's nothing "random" about evolution? You think hez a complete tool whoz disucussing that and no one else is ignorant enough?:lol: Loooooool look whoz the ignorant one!!!!

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/EvolutionNotByChance.htm

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html

:roll::roll::roll:

metroidfood

"The theory of evolution -- and it is just that, a theory -- "

Stopped reading there. If they can't tell the difference between conjecture and scientific theory, then their attack on evolution is probably just as misconstrued and poorly researched.

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Who made an ad hominem attack? Me?Teenaged

Not to mention that I don't know what Poe's law is... :P

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

"The theory of evolution -- and it is just that, a theory -- "

Stopped reading there. If they can't tell the difference between conjecture and scientific theory, then their attack on evolution is probably just as misconstrued and poorly researched.

Stranger_4

"it's a ridiculous claim that anyone with even a basic understanding of evolution can easily refute? Christ, someone that ****ing clueless about evolution should NOT be writing a chapter of a book on it."

I cannot stop laughing at that.:lol:

[QUOTE="metroidfood"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

What da **** are you talking about? You think there's nothing "random" about evolution? You think hez a complete tool whoz disucussing that and no one else is ignorant enough?:lol: Loooooool look whoz the ignorant one!!!!

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/EvolutionNotByChance.htm

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html

:roll::roll::roll:

Stranger_4

"The theory of evolution -- and it is just that, a theory -- "

Stopped reading there. If they can't tell the difference between conjecture and scientific theory, then their attack on evolution is probably just as misconstrued and poorly researched.

I just googled to find articles to own that funky guy's chance thing. I dont know about the credibility or anything of those sites..Stranger_4

If you're not going to bother checking the crediblity of the sources you're using to back up your own argument, then I think this image is deserved.

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Did you even read that talkorigins article? Allow me to quote it: 'Conclusions of this FAQ: Genetic changes do not anticipate a species' needs, and those changes may be unrelated to selection pressures on the species. Nevertheless, evolution is not fundamentally a random process.' See that at the end there? Not a random process? :lol:Funky_Llama

And secondly since there is so much talk on this issue and apparantly not a concrete answer, I wonder how ******* clueless he is for saying thatisnt he?:roll:

And wait, you didnt know about the chance evolution theory isnt it? Huh random internet guy thinking he knows it all!:lol:

this thread is degrading into a troll war....

stupid christians pissed off and atheists stating facts..

....

And you didnt know that evolution is believed to happen by chance. And how confidently you quoted that thing, too funny to see someone gte owned like that.

"it's a ridiculous claim that anyone with even a basic understanding of evolution can easily refute? Christ, someone that ****ing clueless about evolution should NOT be writing a chapter of a book on it."

I cannot stop laughing at that.:lol:

Stranger_4

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

"The theory of evolution -- and it is just that, a theory -- "

Stopped reading there. If they can't tell the difference between conjecture and scientific theory, then their attack on evolution is probably just as misconstrued and poorly researched.

Funky_Llama

Ya that's what it says and where does it say that evolution happened by chance, it's saying something can it not?:|

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]So where does the book which I suggested declare evolution to be random?:|

And secondly since there is so much talk on this issue and apparantly not a concrete answer, I wonder how ******* clueless he is for saying thatisnt he?:roll:

And wait, you didnt know about the chance evolution theory isnt it? Huh random internet guy thinking he knows it all!:lol:

Stranger_4

1. Can you prove that evolution is chance?

2. Can you prove that Darwin believed it was chance?

I await your response. Oh wait, you don't want to reply to me. Honestly, you could have done a more convincing job of running away. :lol:

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]So where does the book which I suggested declare evolution to be random?:|

And secondly since there is so much talk on this issue and apparantly not a concrete answer, I wonder how ******* clueless he is for saying thatisnt he?:roll:

And wait, you didnt know about the chance evolution theory isnt it? Huh random internet guy thinking he knows it all!:lol:

Stranger_4

Explain why you think Evolution is a matter of chance then.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]I just googled to find articles to own that funky guy's chance thing. I dont know about the credibility or anything of those sites..Stranger_4

Ya that's what it says and where does it say that evolution happened by chance, it's saying something can it not?:|

God does not exist; there is as much proof for him as there is for Santa Claus.unholymight

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

And you didnt know that evolution is believed to happen by chance. And how confidently you quoted that thing, too funny to see someone gte owned like that.

"it's a ridiculous claim that anyone with even a basic understanding of evolution can easily refute? Christ, someone that ****ing clueless about evolution should NOT be writing a chapter of a book on it."

I cannot stop laughing at that.:lol:

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="unholymight"]God does not exist; there is as much proof for him as there is for Santa Claus.BumFluff122

Seriousy this CAN change your mind, it's simply a brilliant work and well worth a purchase trust me.

http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Rationality-Knowledge-Truth-Mirza/dp/1853726400

You can also read it online here but I would really suggest to buy it and read it fully from scratch.

While it's gonna take a long time to read it, if someone found it helpful, do report back.:)

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

And you didnt know that evolution is believed to happen by chance. And how confidently you quoted that thing, too funny to see someone gte owned like that.

"it's a ridiculous claim that anyone with even a basic understanding of evolution can easily refute? Christ, someone that ****ing clueless about evolution should NOT be writing a chapter of a book on it."

I cannot stop laughing at that.:lol:

Stranger_4

Evolution is genrally believed to have happened by chance. darwin believed that as well, just how ******* clueless you are dear God, I'll rather not waste my time replying to you anymore no offence.Stranger_4

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"] Poe's law.metroidfood

Not to mention that I don't know what Poe's law is... :P

So... spacemoose was being sarcastic? Still I don't detect what he was being sarcastic about. :P

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="unholymight"]God does not exist; there is as much proof for him as there is for Santa Claus.TheDawnofFlames

And the milk and cookies are gone in the morning whenever I leave them for Santa. They were intended for Santa, so Santa must have eaten them. He obviously exists by virtue of inference, and any disputes against that are nothing more than appeals to magic.

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I already quoted where it says that. Go back to page one. There is a concrete answer to whether evolution is pure chance. And that answer is no. ;) 'chance evolution theory' as a phrase returns 106 results in Google. With duplicates omitted, there are just 11 results. Not very popular, it seems - care to tell me all about this fascinating theory? :roll:Funky_Llama

1. Can you prove that evolution is chance?

2. Can you prove that Darwin believed it was chance?

I await your response. Oh wait, you don't want to reply to me. Honestly, you could have done a more convincing job of running away. :lol:

That was never the point to prove any of that crap, you said a guy has to be simply a ******* clueless tool to even think about evolution by chance. Now dont damage control by going off topic.:lol::lol::lol:

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Evolution is genrally believed to have happened by chance. darwin believed that as well, just how ******* clueless you are dear God, I'll rather not waste my time replying to you anymore no offence.Stranger_4

1. Can you prove that evolution is chance?

2. Can you prove that Darwin believed it was chance?

I await your response. Oh wait, you don't want to reply to me. Honestly, you could have done a more convincing job of running away. :lol:

That was never the point to prove any of that crap, you said a guy has to be simply a ******* clueless tool to even think about evolution by chance. Now dont damage control by going off topic.:lol::lol::lol:

Anyway, on a serious note - can't prove your claims? You lose then. ;)

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Evolution is genrally believed to have happened by chance. darwin believed that as well, just how ******* clueless you are dear God, I'll rather not waste my time replying to you anymore no offence.foxhound_fox

But what I was responding to was funky's statement that somebody has to be clueless to talk about evolution by chance.

But what I was responding to was funky's statement that somebody has to be clueless to talk about evolution by chance.Stranger_4

But what I was responding to was funky's statement that somebody has to be clueless to talk about evolution by chance.Stranger_4

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Do I have to say it again? One of your quoted articles said that IT WAS NOT CHANCE. Capiche? It agreed with me. ;) And as for the other one... :lol:Funky_Llama

Ya that's what it says and where does it say that evolution happened by chance, it's saying something can it not?:|

Ask anyone else over there lol.

I dont deny evolution and am trying to understand it more.:)

But what I was responding to was funky's statement that somebody has to be clueless to talk about evolution by chance.

Stranger_4

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Evolution is genrally believed to have happened by chance. darwin believed that as well, just how ******* clueless you are dear God, I'll rather not waste my time replying to you anymore no offence.Stranger_4

1. Can you prove that evolution is chance?

2. Can you prove that Darwin believed it was chance?

I await your response. Oh wait, you don't want to reply to me. Honestly, you could have done a more convincing job of running away. :lol:

That was never the point to prove any of that crap, you said a guy has to be simply a ******* clueless tool to even think about evolution by chance. Now dont damage control by going off topic.:lol::lol::lol:

It is just talking about "mere blind collusion of chances". It is not claiming it to be and you know that. There's no point in this arguemnt now as you will not admit I know that your statement of him being clueless based on that part was completely off the charts.

Ask anyone else over there lol.

Stranger_4

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]It is inconceivable for these measures to have been planned and executed by a mere blind collusion of chances

Ya that's what it says and where does it say that evolution happened by chance, it's saying something can it not?:|

Stranger_4

Ask anyone else over there lol.

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Okay, I have just two questions.

1. Can you prove that evolution is chance?

2. Can you prove that Darwin believed it was chance?

I await your response. Oh wait, you don't want to reply to me. Honestly, you could have done a more convincing job of running away. :lol:

xaos

That was never the point to prove any of that crap, you said a guy has to be simply a ******* clueless tool to even think about evolution by chance. Now dont damage control by going off topic.:lol::lol::lol:

But this is the internet. And he used the word "epic."

Clearly he must be right.

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]But what I was responding to was funky's statement that somebody has to be clueless to talk about evolution by chance.Funky_Llama

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/ICchance.shtml

:roll:

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]But what I was responding to was funky's statement that somebody has to be clueless to talk about evolution by chance.Stranger_4

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/ICchance.shtml

:roll:

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]But what I was responding to was funky's statement that somebody has to be clueless to talk about evolution by chance.Stranger_4

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/ICchance.shtml

:roll:

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Which of course it justified given that a basic understanding of evolution reveales that it it NOT BY CHANCE. See, I even wrote the important bits on caps. Aren't I helpful? :roll:Funky_Llama

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/ICchance.shtml

:roll:

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]"Chance is certainly a factor in evolution, but there are also non-random evolutionary mechanisms. Random mutation is the ultimate source of genetic variation, however natural selection, the process by which some variants survive and others do not, is not random."

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/ICchance.shtml

:roll:

Stranger_4

It's been over a century since natural selection was first proposed and creationists are still bickering on about how it is random?

They never learn. :roll:

So here's the thing in what context it was said.

"On the one hand the nuclei and the protoplasm in the cellular chambers are fortified by this impervious double protective layer of lipids against the possible penetration of the surrounding plasma. On the other hand they need a constant supply of energy to be transported across the lipid covers. To meet this essential requirement, the measures taken by nature are so amazingly profound and intricate as boggles the mind.

It is inconceivable for these measures to have been planned and executed by a mere blind collusion of chances. In fact, the intricate internal structure and order of arrangement of the transporter protein, which delivers glucose molecules to the cells, had to be exactly designed to do the needful. Again, complementary measures had to be taken for each recipient cell to harmonize perfectly with the working of the transporter protein. As some readers unfamiliar with scientific terminology may find it difficult to keep track of this subject, every effort is being made to make it generally comprehensible even for the lay reader."

This is said under the chaper, "survival by accident or chance".Now it wasnt refering to the whole evolution was it?:roll:

And it furthur says,

"It is evolution of course, but not blind evolution. At every cross-section of their journey, it was never the living who made their choices as to the bearing they should take. There was no fixed destination, if there was no conscious Designer and Creator of life. Hence, every step which life took, could have moved in any direction. A single step to be taken in the right direction is an outside chance. For each step to move invariably in the right direction, a billion times over and to pursue unfalteringly the course which could only lead to the creation of man, is something so bizarre and unreal that even the phantom figures of fairy tales would not believe in it. Yet, there are some scientists who do!"