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#1 Reach01
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Well first off if you have a heavy faith this video might not be for you. It might offend you or your beliefs. If you have a pretty open mind.. and you were able to keep up with the Matrix plot pretty good then you might find this bit kind of interesting.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvM_YAwX4I&feature=related


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4&feature=related

What do you guys think? It is not creepy until you actually understand it.

I've always though when people say "reality is not real" that means none of you are real right? If this is some giant computer sim then you guys are all apart of the sim *I* am experienicing. Sorta like that level in Fallout 3 with the dog and the kid right? lol. I dunno what are your thoughts?

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#2 Blubadox
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Everything is made up of atoms....so yea nothing is real, just a reflection of light on atomic particles.

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#3 JunkyMcMuffin
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Everything is made up of atoms....so yea nothing is real, just a reflection of light on atomic particles.

Blubadox

Since when do reflections of light take on physical properties? Anyway, I could care less if everything I know is "real". Hell, take me to the source!

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#4 Marfoo
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Everything is made up of atoms....so yea nothing is real, just a reflection of light on atomic particles.

Blubadox
Wow, that was a terrible over simplification of "vision".
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#5 Reach01
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[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

Everything is made up of atoms....so yea nothing is real, just a reflection of light on atomic particles.

Marfoo
Wow, that was a terrible over simplification of "vision".

No need to be a meanie.
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#6 -FlyLo-
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So this thread is fake.

This thread is a lie.

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#7 Lebbin
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I'm not going to watch a 20 minute video. Mind summerying it up for us?

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#8 -FlyLo-
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I'm not going to watch a 20 minute video. Mind summerying it up for us?

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Its a conspiracy.
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#9 Marfoo
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[QUOTE="Reach01"][QUOTE="Marfoo"][QUOTE="Blubadox"]

Everything is made up of atoms....so yea nothing is real, just a reflection of light on atomic particles.

Wow, that was a terrible over simplification of "vision".

No need to be a meanie.

Trying not to be a meanie. Just drives me nuts when things are too oversimplified.
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#10 BayAreaX
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bs much?
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#11 Reach01
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[QUOTE="Lebbin"]

I'm not going to watch a 20 minute video. Mind summerying it up for us?

-FlyLo-

Its a conspiracy.

And how exactly did you conclude to that logic.. Judging from the time I started this thread and your post you could not have seen both videos by now.

And hey, I could have said some things about religion but I didn't. I just gave you a warning of the content and kept my thoughts about it to myself. So I expect the same thing.

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#12 -FlyLo-
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[QUOTE="-FlyLo-"][QUOTE="Lebbin"]

I'm not going to watch a 20 minute video. Mind summerying it up for us?

Reach01
Its a conspiracy.

And how exactly did you conclude to that logic.. Judging from the time I started this thread and your post you could not have seen both videos by now..

You actually think I bothered to watch those conspiracy theories and lies? No thank you sir, I have better ways to spend 20 minutes of my life. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go watch some porn.
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#13 yabbicoke
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Reality has a flexible definition anyway...

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#14 Reach01
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[QUOTE="-FlyLo-"][QUOTE="Reach01"][QUOTE="-FlyLo-"] Its a conspiracy.

And how exactly did you conclude to that logic.. Judging from the time I started this thread and your post you could not have seen both videos by now..

You actually think I bothered to watch those conspiracy theories and lies? No thank you sir, I have better ways to spend 20 minutes of my life. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go watch some porn.

Yeah by trolling. Great job. You have no idea what the video is about yet you just post to get your count up. No wonder you are reduced to masturbation alone every night. For your sake I hope the videos are correct.
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#15 -FlyLo-
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[QUOTE="Reach01"][QUOTE="-FlyLo-"][QUOTE="Reach01"] And how exactly did you conclude to that logic.. Judging from the time I started this thread and your post you could not have seen both videos by now..

You actually think I bothered to watch those conspiracy theories and lies? No thank you sir, I have better ways to spend 20 minutes of my life. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go watch some porn.

Yeah by trolling. Great job. You have no idea what the video is about yet you just post to get your count up. No wonder you are reduced to masturbation alone every night. For your sake I hope the videos are correct.

Wow, Arnie can't take a joke :|
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#16 Epak_
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I think my mind would explode if I spent too much time pondering on what is real and what is not.

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#17 en-z-io
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I didn't watch the video, but judging by the descriptions and comments... this is the general idea Descartes discussed in the 17th century in Meditations (What if there existed an evil demon who constantly deceived us? What could we know about ourselves and the external world?)
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#18 Ace6301
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I watched the first half and didn't gather any new information. As such the second half is going to remain unwatched by me. If you can see something and reach out and touch it then it's real and not fake. The way your mind perceives things is really the only reality you as an individual are subject to anyway.
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#19 FamiBox
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The video was too boring and obvious to watch.

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For people who are just casting this away, this video provides real scientific thinking and evidence that is widely accepted today. It's basically an indepth look at the senses and how they work to interpret our world. How sight is just something created in the brain by detecting EMR in the visible spectrum, sound just the change of pressure and vibrations in the air... etc. Basically the video is trying to enlighten you on how much extra detail your mind adds to the world. Things such as color and sound do not really exist, they are just manifestations of the brain to classify different inputs of the senses. It basically says matter and exitence in actuallity is much different then what you see, hear, or feel. That being said, our senses help as make sense of the world regardless, although fundamentally, things to do exist as we sense them.
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#21 MuddVader
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is this one of those things about how they dont know if we live in a universe where 1+1=2 or 1+1=3?

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#22 wonderboy63
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This video changed my life man, thankyou, i know see reality for what it really is...So does this prove there a god, that created an "unreal" world, its a bit cinusing i know, lol.

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For people who are just casting this away, this video provides real scientific thinking and evidence that is widely accepted today. It's basically an indepth look at the senses and how they work to interpret our world. How sight is just something created in the brain by detecting EMR in the visible spectrum, sound just the change of pressure and vibrations in the air... etc. Basically the video is trying to enlighten you on how much extra detail your mind adds to the world. Things such as color and sound do not really exist, they are just manifestations of the brain to classify different inputs of the senses. It basically says matter and exitence in actuallity is much different then what you see, hear, or feel. That being said, our senses help as make sense of the world regardless, although fundamentally, things to do exist as we sense them.Marfoo

but they do exist, they are just manifestations of the brain to clasify different inputs of the senses.
That really doesnt say anything at all. A blind person still feels the world as we do. A deaf person still sees the world as we do. A mute person still comprehends sounds the same as we can. The fact that you arent capable of sensing a specific feature of what we call reality doesnt change the fact that it is there.

edit: the mute one doesnt reallyfit inthere but you get what my point is.

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#24 RushMetallica
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So what? I feel alive, that's all that matters to me.
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#25 MetallicaKings
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Eh, I watched the first half. It's interesting sure; how everything we see/hear/etc is electrical signals that are put into the brain, copies of that thing (object, sound, smell, etc). Though, even if that is how we perceive things, how are we still not in the "real" world. Also, what proof is there that there is an external world. I mean, what proof if there that this is actually an illusion? I stopped the video when he said "there is no way we can tell"(i believe at around the end of the first)
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#26 NatoKenichi
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This sounds like a documentary for Christians.

If you actually watch it, it talks about a "Soul".

It talks about how everything is an illusion and that how everything is truly understood by your "Soul".

That was a total waste of my life watching that.

:/

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#27 Marfoo
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to mudd (sorry the quote thing wasn't working)

I was saying that the way our brain manifests it's surroundings may be a totally inaccurate way of how it physically exists. That being said that doesn't mean our senses aren't useful, it's just mind boggling to think everything could exist in a really abstract manner from how we interpret it. Our senses are the best interpretation we have of the world and is very useful to us as is. Lol, why are you making points to me? Maybe I misworded when I said "Things such as color and sound do not really exist...", I should've said "The senses may be inaccurate representations of the physical existence of objects" That being said we sense them in such a way so we can categorize them, decide which are useful, and have them presented to us in a meaningful manner, that's the beauty of the brain.
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#28 -FlyLo-
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This sounds like a documentary for Christians.

If you actually watch it, it talks about a "Soul".

It talks about how everything is an illusion and that how everything is truly understood by your "Soul".

That was a total waste of my life watching that.

:/

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#29 MetallicaKings
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[QUOTE="Marfoo"]

to mudd (sorry the quote thing wasn't working)

I was saying that the way our brain manifests it's surroundings may be a totally inaccurate way of how it physically exists. That being said that doesn't mean our senses aren't useful, it's just mind boggling to think everything could exist in a really abstract manner from how we interpret it. Our senses are the best interpretation we have of the world and is very useful to us as is. Lol, why are you making points to me? Maybe I misworded when I said "Things such as color and sound do not really exist...", I should've said "The senses may be inaccurate representations of the physical existence of objects" That being said we sense them in such a way so we can categorize them, decide which are useful, and have them presented to us in a meaningful manner, that's the beauty of the brain.

yes, we can say thats true. but there is no evidence at all that they are "inaccurate representations...etc". There is just as much evidence that we live in the matrix and robots are harvesting our bodies
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#30 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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I'm as real as I'm going to get. I try not to worry about the details, especially if they are impossible to prove.
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#31 Marfoo
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[QUOTE="MetallicaKings"][QUOTE="Marfoo"]

to mudd (sorry the quote thing wasn't working)

I was saying that the way our brain manifests it's surroundings may be a totally inaccurate way of how it physically exists. That being said that doesn't mean our senses aren't useful, it's just mind boggling to think everything could exist in a really abstract manner from how we interpret it. Our senses are the best interpretation we have of the world and is very useful to us as is. Lol, why are you making points to me? Maybe I misworded when I said "Things such as color and sound do not really exist...", I should've said "The senses may be inaccurate representations of the physical existence of objects" That being said we sense them in such a way so we can categorize them, decide which are useful, and have them presented to us in a meaningful manner, that's the beauty of the brain.

yes, we can say thats true. but there is no evidence at all that they are "inaccurate representations...etc". There is just as much evidence that we live in the matrix and robots are harvesting our bodies

There is one scientific theory that says the universe is just a holographic projection of something or another. Like I said, it's the thought that our senses could be presenting us a reality that is representative but drastically different from the physical world. It's the thought that counts. To think that color and sound are products of the mind is mind boggling on its own. (those two are pretty much undisputed)
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"Just cos you feel it doesn't mean it's there"

/radiohead

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#33 wonderboy63
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its 5 am were i live, i ebt you people have like 3 pm or something

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#34 Marfoo
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its 5 am were i live, i ebt you people have like 3 pm or something

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#35 -FlyLo-
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[QUOTE="wonderboy63"]

its 5 am were i live, i ebt you people have like 3 pm or something

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2:35am.

1:37am.
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Ima create a topics, (rant) and people acn liek ranta bout everything they dont like and stuff

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For people who are just casting this away, this video provides real scientific thinking and evidence that is widely accepted today. It's basically an indepth look at the senses and how they work to interpret our world. How sight is just something created in the brain by detecting EMR in the visible spectrum, sound just the change of pressure and vibrations in the air... etc. Basically the video is trying to enlighten you on how much extra detail your mind adds to the world. Things such as color and sound do not really exist, they are just manifestations of the brain to classify different inputs of the senses. It basically says matter and exitence in actuallity is much different then what you see, hear, or feel. That being said, our senses help as make sense of the world regardless, although fundamentally, things to do exist as we sense them.Marfoo
I wish my brain could do the samething that it does for the world, for my girlfriend....
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I think therefore I am as simple as that stop making your life more complicated that it already is

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#39 Blubadox
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[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

Everything is made up of atoms....so yea nothing is real, just a reflection of light on atomic particles.

JunkyMcMuffin

Since when do reflections of light take on physical properties? Anyway, I could care less if everything I know is "real". Hell, take me to the source!

Before quantum theory was proposed, Issac Newton believed light is made up of small particles called corpuscules that emits fluroscense when came in contact with a physical matter. Now quanta is more or less the same thing.....

There is no source, you are the source. You are that. That's what ancient philsophers claimed after years of research "thou art that".

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[QUOTE="Marfoo"]

to mudd (sorry the quote thing wasn't working)

I was saying that the way our brain manifests it's surroundings may be a totally inaccurate way of how it physically exists. That being said that doesn't mean our senses aren't useful, it's just mind boggling to think everything could exist in a really abstract manner from how we interpret it. Our senses are the best interpretation we have of the world and is very useful to us as is. Lol, why are you making points to me? Maybe I misworded when I said "Things such as color and sound do not really exist...", I should've said "The senses may be inaccurate representations of the physical existence of objects" That being said we sense them in such a way so we can categorize them, decide which are useful, and have them presented to us in a meaningful manner, that's the beauty of the brain.

That could be the reason, that some animals don't see certain colors. It's all in how the brain perceives it. The electromagnetic spectrum pretty much proves that color exists, however.
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#41 Marfoo
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I think therefore I am as simple as that stop making your life more complicated that it already is

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Stop belittling the human race's potential for existential comprehension.
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[QUOTE="MetallicaKings"][QUOTE="Marfoo"]

to mudd (sorry the quote thing wasn't working)

I was saying that the way our brain manifests it's surroundings may be a totally inaccurate way of how it physically exists. That being said that doesn't mean our senses aren't useful, it's just mind boggling to think everything could exist in a really abstract manner from how we interpret it. Our senses are the best interpretation we have of the world and is very useful to us as is. Lol, why are you making points to me? Maybe I misworded when I said "Things such as color and sound do not really exist...", I should've said "The senses may be inaccurate representations of the physical existence of objects" That being said we sense them in such a way so we can categorize them, decide which are useful, and have them presented to us in a meaningful manner, that's the beauty of the brain.Marfoo

yes, we can say thats true. but there is no evidence at all that they are "inaccurate representations...etc". There is just as much evidence that we live in the matrix and robots are harvesting our bodies

There is one scientific theory that says the universe is just a holographic projection of something or another. Like I said, it's the thought that our senses could be presenting us a reality that is representative but drastically different from the physical world. It's the thought that counts. To think that color and sound are products of the mind is mind boggling on its own. (those two are pretty much undisputed)

How can sound be a product of the mind? If im at the beach, and im looking away from the water, how does my brain know to regester the sound of the waves, if the waves weren't making sound?, and the universe is just aholographic projection of something or another? So this book on my desk is just a holographic projection of something my brain wants to see?, and when my hands go to touch this "projection", I also somehow manage to make it manafest into physical form where I can hold it? Damn, if I can do all of this why can't I fly, or shoot fireballs out my a$$? This **** is getting pretty out-there.

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[QUOTE="Marfoo"][QUOTE="MetallicaKings"] yes, we can say thats true. but there is no evidence at all that they are "inaccurate representations...etc". There is just as much evidence that we live in the matrix and robots are harvesting our bodiesJunkyMcMuffin

There is one scientific theory that says the universe is just a holographic projection of something or another. Like I said, it's the thought that our senses could be presenting us a reality that is representative but drastically different from the physical world. It's the thought that counts. To think that color and sound are products of the mind is mind boggling on its own. (those two are pretty much undisputed)

How can sound be a product of the mind? If im at the beach, and im looking away from the water, how does my brain know to regester the sound of the waves, if the waves weren't making sound?, and the universe is just aholographic projection of something or another? So this book on my desk is just a holographic projection of something my brain wants to see?, and when my hands go to touch this "projection", I also somehow manage to make it manafest into physical form where I can hold it? Damn, if I can do all of this why can't I fly, or shoot fireballs out my a$$? This **** is getting pretty out-there.

You're right, it's not a product of the mind. Sound is vibration. Whether or not it is perceived differently by the brain, that vibration does exist.
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[QUOTE="Marfoo"][QUOTE="MetallicaKings"] yes, we can say thats true. but there is no evidence at all that they are "inaccurate representations...etc". There is just as much evidence that we live in the matrix and robots are harvesting our bodiesJunkyMcMuffin

There is one scientific theory that says the universe is just a holographic projection of something or another. Like I said, it's the thought that our senses could be presenting us a reality that is representative but drastically different from the physical world. It's the thought that counts. To think that color and sound are products of the mind is mind boggling on its own. (those two are pretty much undisputed)

How can sound be a product of the mind? If im at the beach, and im looking away from the water, how does my brain know to regester the sound of the waves, if the waves weren't making sound?, and the universe is just aholographic projection of something or another? So this book on my desk is just a holographic projection of something my brain wants to see?, and when my hands go to touch this "projection", I also somehow manage to make it manafest into physical form where I can hold it? Damn, if I can do all of this why can't I fly, or shoot fireballs out my a$$? This **** is getting pretty out-there.

Well, there are changes in air pressure that stimulate cells in your ear. These cells generate varying electrical impulses that are sent to your brain. Depending on your their nature your brain makes you "hear" some sound. We've grown up to associate sounds with many different things, like waves. From a physical world observation though, sound is something that occurs only in the brain, a product of the brain. In a physical sense, there is just a slight change in pressure and vibrations in the air as a result of moving water. Sound is just a complex classification system our brains created to help us differntiate information gathered from pressure changes and vibrations in the air. Did that make sense?
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#45 goyolap
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I think therefore I am as simple as that stop making your life more complicated that it already is

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Stop belittling the human race's potential for existential comprehension.

:Pontetial this more like a dog fight not more not less well atleast the ideas are neat but I really like the god disccustion really bring out the flavor of thing lol

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[QUOTE="RockysCatnipCo"][QUOTE="JunkyMcMuffin"]

There is one scientific theory that says the universe is just a holographic projection of something or another. Like I said, it's the thought that our senses could be presenting us a reality that is representative but drastically different from the physical world. It's the thought that counts. To think that color and sound are products of the mind is mind boggling on its own. (those two are pretty much undisputed)Marfoo
How can sound be a product of the mind? If im at the beach, and im looking away from the water, how does my brain know to regester the sound of the waves, if the waves weren't making sound?, and the universe is just aholographic projection of something or another? So this book on my desk is just a holographic projection of something my brain wants to see?, and when my hands go to touch this "projection", I also somehow manage to make it manafest into physical form where I can hold it? Damn, if I can do all of this why can't I fly, or shoot fireballs out my a$$? This **** is getting pretty out-there.

You're right, it's not a product of the mind. Sound is vibration. Whether or not it is perceived differently by the brain, that vibration does exist.

Sound exists, but only in the brain, that's what I am saying this whole time, all our sense are just representations of the world, and they can represent the world in totally different ways that what is actually out there. I didn't say sound didn't exist, I just said it only exists in the mind. There are some people with brain injuries that associate different visions and colors with sound. Imagine if we used color and vision to classify vibrations in the air. The vibration exists, sound is a manifestation of the mind to interpret it. Sound exists only within the mind and it's a representative.
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[QUOTE="RockysCatnipCo"][QUOTE="JunkyMcMuffin"] How can sound be a product of the mind? If im at the beach, and im looking away from the water, how does my brain know to regester the sound of the waves, if the waves weren't making sound?, and the universe is just aholographic projection of something or another? So this book on my desk is just a holographic projection of something my brain wants to see?, and when my hands go to touch this "projection", I also somehow manage to make it manafest into physical form where I can hold it? Damn, if I can do all of this why can't I fly, or shoot fireballs out my a$$? This **** is getting pretty out-there.

Marfoo

You're right, it's not a product of the mind. Sound is vibration. Whether or not it is perceived differently by the brain, that vibration does exist.

Sound exists, but only in the brain, that's what I am saying this whole time, all our sense are just representations of the world, and they can represent the world in totally different ways that what is actually out there. I didn't say sound didn't exist, I just said it only exists in the mind. There are some people with brain injuries that associate different visions and colors with sound. Imagine if we used color and vision to classify vibrations in the air. The vibration exists, sound is a manifestation of the mind to interpret it. Sound exists only within the mind and it's a representative.

Echo location comes to mind. I don't know if that's relevant, but I'm curious as to your thoughts on that. Also, do you think that the human mind perceives sound differently than that of another animal?

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Also, what I don't understand is how all of our senses mesh so perfectly together. If matter is just an illusion, that disproves everything that science has showed us about how those senses work. It just doesn't seem plausible. How are all these things able to be proven with factual evidence? And I'm not sure of the entire argument of the video, as I didn't watch the second half; but in similar arguments, it is stated that our perception of reality is just a figment of our imagination. If our brain is creating all of this, then why can't anything be possible? If we can exist in this universe then why does our perception of it have to be different? Blah! Brain poop.

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Well, there are changes in air pressure that stimulate cells in your ear. These cells generate varying electrical impulses that are sent to your brain. Depending on your their nature your brain makes you "hear" some sound. We've grown up to associate sounds with many different things, like waves. From a physical world observation though, sound is something that occurs only in the brain, a product of the brain. In a physical sense, there is just a slight change in pressure and vibrations in the air as a result of moving water. Sound is just a complex classification system our brains created to help us differntiate information gathered from pressure changes and vibrations in the air. Did that make sense?Marfoo
You're basing your argument on iffy semantics. The fact is, things like color and sound do exist in the physical world. Our brain interprets these in varying ways, sure, but the brain needs something physical to go on. Your point seems...pointless.
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I'm not going to watch a 20 minute video. Mind summerying it up for us?

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Its a conspiracy.

every thing is a conspiracy lately :shock: