Evolution or Creationism? What you believe?

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#1 cmw3218
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What do you guys think? I believe in God, but I have been doing a lot of research for college and on my own an everything truely points to evolution.

1. If everything was created in one fell swoop then why do we have fossil records of different organisms/species throughout different times through earths history. If everything was created at one time, we would see ALL species at ALL times throughout earths history but we don't.

2. If all species were designed for their specific enviornment, why do we see variation of same species at different regions such as volcanic areas, tropical, artic, etc.

3. The fact that between humans, cats, whales, an even bats. All these species have same anatomy of structures such as the arm. All containing same long bones, short bones, etc.

4. Also that we as humans have functions that are useless and pointless now in our time. For example the ear muscle, completely useless function now in humans but was a key trait in apes. The fact that we have wisdom teeth, which serve no pointless. But apes had longer jaws then humans so those extra teeth(wisdom teeth in humans) were important.

I just wanted to get opinions on what people think about this whole subject.

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They are not mutually exclusive....
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#4 Shad0ki11
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They are not mutually exclusive....LJS9502_basic

I concur.

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Pretty much what that LJ fellow said.
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#6 joao_22990
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What the hell, evolution is not something you believe, it exists and you can't do anything about it. What is it with you people who want to believe in anything? It isn't a matter of believing, it's a matter of what is true and what isn't. God damn.
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#7 Ed_Cetera
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I don't have to "believe" in evolution, since it is a proven fact.
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h

>_> Really?

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#10 supa_badman
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So I guess the discussion for this thread was cut pretty early.

What now guys?

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#11 cmw3218
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So I guess the discussion for this thread was cut pretty early.

What now guys?

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you can go argue what games you like lol

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#12 Shad0ki11
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[QUOTE="supa_badman"]

So I guess the discussion for this thread was cut pretty early.

What now guys?

cmw3218

you can go argue what games you like lol

That would have to go in General Games Discussion.

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I believe in evolution. I believe in evolution because of the huge amount of evidence that supports it. That being said, when I was a very small child andbefore I had ever heard of Darwin or was able to even remotely comprehend evolution I did not believe in a Creator. I do not think any less of anyone who does believe in God. I have many friends that are religious, it is just not something that I believe.

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I don't believe in either one.. I accept Evolution as FACT..
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I believe in evolution. I believe in evolution because of the huge amount of evidence that supports it. That being said, when I was a very small child andbefore I had ever heard of Darwin or was able to even remotely comprehend evolution I did not believe in a Creator. I do not think any less of anyone who does believe in God. I have many friends that are religious, it is just not something that I believe.

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intelligent answer, an yeah i agree with you on that.

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They are not mutually exclusive....LJS9502_basic

Really? It seems that "God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th" is different from "organisms that may or may not have been created by God slowly evolved through natural processes, eventually becoming what we see today".

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How about if I believe in neither.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]They are not mutually exclusive....awsss

Really? It seems that "God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th" is different from "organisms that may or may not have been created by God slowly evolved through natural processes, eventually becoming what we see today".

As stated they are not mutually exclusive....
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="awsss"]

They are not mutually exclusive....LJS9502_basic

Really? It seems that "God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th" is different from "organisms that may or may not have been created by God slowly evolved through natural processes, eventually becoming what we see today".

As stated they are not mutually exclusive....

Isn't Creationism an actual specific religious belief of the actuality of god creating everything of no evolution what so ever etc etc..
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[QUOTE="awsss"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]They are not mutually exclusive....LJS9502_basic

Really? It seems that "God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th" is different from "organisms that may or may not have been created by God slowly evolved through natural processes, eventually becoming what we see today".

As stated they are not mutually exclusive....

they seem pretty mutually exclusive to me.
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Isn't Creationism an actual specific religious belief of the actuality of god creating everything of no evolution what so ever etc etc.. sSubZerOo
No. Technically creation means all life comes from God. That does not mean evolution did not occur.

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There is no "belief." Only acceptance and denial.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Isn't Creationism an actual specific religious belief of the actuality of god creating everything of no evolution what so ever etc etc.. LJS9502_basic

No. Technically creation means all life comes from God. That does not mean evolution did not occur.

Thats intelligent design.. The Creationist movement with Creationism has very specific terms what it means..
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Isn't Creationism an actual specific religious belief of the actuality of god creating everything of no evolution what so ever etc etc.. LJS9502_basic

No. Technically creation means all life comes from God. That does not mean evolution did not occur.

But wouldn't that be classified as intelligent design? As far as I'm concerned creationism does not include evolution where as intelligent design does.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Isn't Creationism an actual specific religious belief of the actuality of god creating everything of no evolution what so ever etc etc.. sSubZerOo

No. Technically creation means all life comes from God. That does not mean evolution did not occur.

Thats intelligent design.. The Creationist movement with Creationism has very specific terms what it means..

Meh. Those are labels I suppose to differentiate the fundamentalists from the others. In actual belief....there is no difference. Creation is spoken of as God's work. Whether one is fundamental or not.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No. Technically creation means all life comes from God. That does not mean evolution did not occur.

LJS9502_basic

Thats intelligent design.. The Creationist movement with Creationism has very specific terms what it means..

Meh. Those are labels I suppose to differentiate the fundamentalists from the others. In actual belief....there is no difference. Creation is spoken of as God's work. Whether one is fundamental or not.

True but most people here are gonna take the common understanding of Creationism.. That evolution is false, that the earth is extremely young etc etc.. Just saying.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]They are not mutually exclusive....awsss

Really? It seems that "God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th" is different from "organisms that may or may not have been created by God slowly evolved through natural processes, eventually becoming what we see today".

What is a day for an all powerful being though?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Thats intelligent design.. The Creationist movement with Creationism has very specific terms what it means.. sSubZerOo

Meh. Those are labels I suppose to differentiate the fundamentalists from the others. In actual belief....there is no difference. Creation is spoken of as God's work. Whether one is fundamental or not.

True but most people here are gonna take the common understanding of Creationism.. That evolution is false, that the earth is extremely young etc etc.. Just saying.

Yes but in the context of this question....it's an either/or which as I said is not mutually exclusive. That does not mean some do believe it to be...but in reality they can both be reconciled. See what I mean?
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They are not mutually exclusive....LJS9502_basic
This + evolution is not something to "believe" in.
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I believe in evolution. I think that anyone can believe in evolution, regardless of their religion. Evolution is science, and believing in evolution doesn't mean that you can't believe in creationism. I sort of believe in creationism as well. I'm not big on the Big Bang Theory, honestly. I'm agnostic, so I believe that there very well could be a higher being, but I need more proof. I'm skeptical. However, I find it hard to believe that this whole world and universe as we know it now came from nothing. There had to have been SOMETHING to initially create it. If there was a creator, I don't believe that he/she/it is still around controlling us. I think that he/she/it just created the world and it evolved from there. I don't know though. It's hard.
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[QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]I believe in evolution. I think that anyone can believe in evolution, regardless of their religion. Evolution is science, and believing in evolution doesn't mean that you can't believe in creationism. I sort of believe in creationism as well. I'm not big on the Big Bang Theory, honestly. I'm agnostic, so I believe that there very well could be a higher being, but I need more proof. I'm skeptical. However, I find it hard to believe that this whole world and universe as we know it now came from nothing. There had to have been SOMETHING to initially create it. If there was a creator, I don't believe that he/she/it is still around controlling us. I think that he/she/it just created the world and it evolved from there. I don't know though. It's hard.

The big bang theory is just a cosmological model of the initial conditions and constants that were set out. It doesn't explain how these events occurred, it is a MODEL. It does not explain that the universe was created from nothing. Alas, I am not an expert on the subject. I studied it a while ago and have a sound understanding of the scientific method and the scientific community. I recommend you do some thorough research on the subject. Do you want proof of the theory? Just turn on your TV to a channel with static.
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They are not mutually exclusive....LJS9502_basic
You can't really disagree with this.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]They are not mutually exclusive....awsss

Really? It seems that "God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th" is different from "organisms that may or may not have been created by God slowly evolved through natural processes, eventually becoming what we see today".

Well, that concept of the creation myth is actually a fairly new one.. there were many creation myths before it and after it. All of which are irrelevant. Obviously.. everything originated from one point, and if that's not so.. we need to really rethink the reality of everything. So, yes.. they are not mutually exclusive.. if there is a creator.. the creator also created evolution.. if there is no creator then there is just evolution.. but still one point of origin. Which you could essentially call a creator...
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]I believe in evolution. I think that anyone can believe in evolution, regardless of their religion. Evolution is science, and believing in evolution doesn't mean that you can't believe in creationism. I sort of believe in creationism as well. I'm not big on the Big Bang Theory, honestly. I'm agnostic, so I believe that there very well could be a higher being, but I need more proof. I'm skeptical. However, I find it hard to believe that this whole world and universe as we know it now came from nothing. There had to have been SOMETHING to initially create it. If there was a creator, I don't believe that he/she/it is still around controlling us. I think that he/she/it just created the world and it evolved from there. I don't know though. It's hard.

The big bang theory is just a cosmological model of the initial conditions and constants that were set out. It doesn't explain how these events occurred, it is a MODEL. It does not explain that the universe was created from nothing. Alas, I am not an expert on the subject. I studied it a while ago and have a sound understanding of the scientific method and the scientific community. I recommend you do some thorough research on the subject. Do you want proof of the theory? Just turn on your TV to a channel with static.

I guess I'm not an expert on it. I've read about it before, but I haven't done thorough research and I haven't even done simple reading on it in a while. That wasn't even really the point of my post, though. I almost didn't include it.
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shouldn't even be a question. Creationism is obsolete and outdated, and, quite honestly, being a creationist automatically excludes you from any kind of intellectual discussion in the real world.
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shouldn't even be a question. Creationism is obsolete and outdated, and, quite honestly, being a creationist automatically excludes you from any kind of intellectual discussion in the real world. hamstergeddon
I wouldn't go that far... Saying that a creationist can't be intellectual is a bit much.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Isn't Creationism an actual specific religious belief of the actuality of god creating everything of no evolution what so ever etc etc.. LJS9502_basic

No. Technically creation means all life comes from God. That does not mean evolution did not occur.

Uh... yea. Creationism means creation from Genesis as stated in the Bible. Don't try to distort the meaning of words to achieve your own ends.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Isn't Creationism an actual specific religious belief of the actuality of god creating everything of no evolution what so ever etc etc.. hamstergeddon

No. Technically creation means all life comes from God. That does not mean evolution did not occur.

Uh... yea. Creationism means creation from Genesis as stated in the Bible. Don't try to distort the meaning of words to achieve your own ends.

Very few Christian sects interpret Genesis literally...and linguistic studies actually can show what the symbolism meant. It was not a literal telling of creation....at all.
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It's disgraceful that this is still seen as a topic up for debate. Evolution is the keystone of biology, it's what binds the various fields together. Without it, very little of biology would make sense.

And it's quite obvious what the TC meant by "creationism". There are different beliefs that don't exclude evolution classed under "creationism", but most of the time this is not the usage people mean. There was no real point in bringing that up.

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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No. Technically creation means all life comes from God. That does not mean evolution did not occur.

LJS9502_basic

Uh... yea. Creationism means creation from Genesis as stated in the Bible. Don't try to distort the meaning of words to achieve your own ends.

Very few Christian sects interpret Genesis literally...and linguistic studies actually can show what the symbolism meant. It was not a literal telling of creation....at all.

Generally creationism is a concept used as religious motivation to reject scientific principles such as evolution.

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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No. Technically creation means all life comes from God. That does not mean evolution did not occur.

LJS9502_basic

Uh... yea. Creationism means creation from Genesis as stated in the Bible. Don't try to distort the meaning of words to achieve your own ends.

Very few Christian sects interpret Genesis literally...and linguistic studies actually can show what the symbolism meant. It was not a literal telling of creation....at all.

Well then those few sects that interpret the Bible literally are Creationists, the rest aren't.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] Uh... yea. Creationism means creation from Genesis as stated in the Bible. Don't try to distort the meaning of words to achieve your own ends. _en1gma_

Very few Christian sects interpret Genesis literally...and linguistic studies actually can show what the symbolism meant. It was not a literal telling of creation....at all.

Generally creationism is a concept used as religious motivation to reject scientific principles such as evolution.

Only by fundamentalists. They are not the majority of Christians.
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A weird mash up of both that I'm too lazy to type a page long essay over.
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shouldn't even be a question. Creationism is obsolete and outdated, and, quite honestly, being a creationist automatically excludes you from any kind of intellectual discussion in the real world. hamstergeddon
That WAS a joke...right?
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Very few Christian sects interpret Genesis literally...and linguistic studies actually can show what the symbolism meant. It was not a literal telling of creation....at all.LJS9502_basic

Generally creationism is a concept used as religious motivation to reject scientific principles such as evolution.

Only by fundamentalists. They are not the majority of Christians.

Almost every average religious person that I have talked to about this (average Christians--as they make up the vast majority of where I live), have approached this "evolution vs creation" question as a one or the other "belief". Most of them reject evolution and defend creationism. Eh...this isn't going to go anywhere as there isn't really a way to quantify what either of us are saying. :P
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I do not "believe" in Evolution. I accept it.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Generally creationism is a concept used as religious motivation to reject scientific principles such as evolution.

_en1gma_

Only by fundamentalists. They are not the majority of Christians.

Almost every average religious person that I have talked to about this (average Christians--as they make up the vast majority of where I live), have approached this "evolution vs creation" question as a one or the other "belief". Most of them reject evolution and defend creationism. Eh...this isn't going to go anywhere as there isn't really a way to quantify what either of us are saying. :P

I haven't met any who believe in either/or though.

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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]shouldn't even be a question. Creationism is obsolete and outdated, and, quite honestly, being a creationist automatically excludes you from any kind of intellectual discussion in the real world. IppoTenma
That WAS a joke...right?

No. I honestly believe if you have such uninformed beliefs you should be denied a seat at intelligent debates. Not all Christians are Creationists but the worst sort usually are.
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Only by fundamentalists. They are not the majority of Christians.LJS9502_basic

Almost every average religious person that I have talked to about this (average Christians--as they make up the vast majority of where I live), have approached this "evolution vs creation" question as a one or the other "belief". Most of them reject evolution and defend creationism. Eh...this isn't going to go anywhere as there isn't really a way to quantify what either of us are saying. :P

I haven't met any who believe in either/or though.

That's strange...most Christians where I live rejects evolution. This is exactly my point. I personally accept evolution and disbelieve creationism.

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#49 IppoTenma
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Generally creationism is a concept used as religious motivation to reject scientific principles such as evolution.

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Only by fundamentalists. They are not the majority of Christians.

Almost every average religious person that I have talked to about this (average Christians--as they make up the vast majority of where I live), have approached this "evolution vs creation" question as a one or the other "belief". Most of them reject evolution and defend creationism. Eh...this isn't going to go anywhere as there isn't really a way to quantify what either of us are saying. :P

Really? All of my friends pretty much have their own mash up of the two. I don't think their really is a concrete way of believing in creationism anyway.

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#50 drj077
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I think Lewis Black explains it quite well in his stand-up. The only people that truly get the Old Testament are the Jewish people, because Jewish people will readily acknowledge that they are really good Bull-****ters.

If you want to an interpretation of Genesis, find a Rabbi not a priest.