Evolutionary Creationism (AKA theistic evolution)

Does anybody here believe in God AND accept evolution? I do, since the two are not mutually exclusive, but what of everybody else?

When asked if I am a theistic evolutionist, I say no. When asked if I believe the belief of evolution and Christianity can conjoin peacefully, I say yes.elmo90

I assume you're a creationist? May I ask why?

I dunno. I believe in a religion and I guess I could believe in a concept of evolution.

Evolution has a funny similarity with religion in that it is too based on the writings of a book. People criticise me that I believe in something that a guy could have easily wrote, when, in actuality, the same applies to evolution. I don't fundamentally hold Christianity as the 100% truth, nor do I do the same with Evolution.

I accept evolution as truth with room for improvement, I am indifferent of god.. Rational thought and logic dictates the lack of existance as one due to no evidence, but that doesn't say anything because it can not be disproven either.sSubZerOo

Well, I don't think that believing in God is entirely outside the realm of rationalism, but that's just me.

Nope, just evolution.THE_DRUGGIE

Evolution has a funny similarity with religion in that it is too based on the writings of a book.

Total-KO

you could say the same of the Laws of Motion.

and whether or not the Earth is the center of the Universe (Copernicus).

[QUOTE="elmo90"]When asked if I am a theistic evolutionist, I say no. When asked if I believe the belief of evolution and Christianity can conjoin peacefully, I say yes.GameBoy966

I assume you're a creationist? May I ask why?

I dunno. I believe in a religion and I guess I could believe in a concept of evolution.

Evolution has a funny similarity with religion in that it is too based on the writings of a book. People criticise me that I believe in something that a guy could have easily wrote, when, in actuality, the same applies to evolution. I don't fundamentally hold Christianity as the 100% truth, nor do I do the same with Evolution.

Total-KO

Your logic there is flawed, Evolution has plenty of evidence for it, religious texts don't. Doesn't mean they are mutually exclusive though.

I dunno. I believe in a religion and I guess I could believe in a concept of evolution.

Evolution has a funny similarity with religion in that it is too based on the writings of a book. People criticise me that I believe in something that a guy could have easily wrote, when, in actuality, the same applies to evolution. I don't fundamentally hold Christianity as the 100% truth, nor do I do the same with Evolution.

Total-KO

The difference is that one book can be proved while the other book can't be proved; one is scientific the other is pure theology and speculation.

[QUOTE="GameBoy966"]

[QUOTE="elmo90"]When asked if I am a theistic evolutionist, I say no. When asked if I believe the belief of evolution and Christianity can conjoin peacefully, I say yes.elmo90

I assume you're a creationist? May I ask why?

I am also a Christian for very personal reasons, so I can at least identify with that.:)

I also agree with your second point. I don't think evolution could result with life we have now without some sort of Divine guidance.

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I dunno. I believe in a religion and I guess I could believe in a concept of evolution.

Evolution has a funny similarity with religion in that it is too based on the writings of a book. People criticise me that I believe in something that a guy could have easily wrote, when, in actuality, the same applies to evolution. I don't fundamentally hold Christianity as the 100% truth, nor do I do the same with Evolution.

DeeJayInphinity

The difference is that one book can be proved while the other book can't be proved; one is scientific the other is pure theology and speculation.

Many parts of the Bible have been archaeologically proven to have happened.:| Hell, even Jesus Christ has evidence for existing.

Many parts of the Bible have been archaeologically proven to have happened.:| Hell, even Jesus Christ has evidence for existing.

GameBoy966

and there probably was a Trojan War, doesn't mean the Gods intervened after they had won.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

I dunno. I believe in a religion and I guess I could believe in a concept of evolution.

Evolution has a funny similarity with religion in that it is too based on the writings of a book. People criticise me that I believe in something that a guy could have easily wrote, when, in actuality, the same applies to evolution. I don't fundamentally hold Christianity as the 100% truth, nor do I do the same with Evolution.

GameBoy966

The difference is that one book can be proved while the other book can't be proved; one is scientific the other is pure theology and speculation.

Many parts of the Bible have been archaeologically proven to have happened.:| Hell, even Jesus Christ has evidence for existing.

Yup, he was reincarnated 3 days later. There's definitely proof of that.

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]

I dunno. I believe in a religion and I guess I could believe in a concept of evolution.

Evolution has a funny similarity with religion in that it is too based on the writings of a book. People criticise me that I believe in something that a guy could have easily wrote, when, in actuality, the same applies to evolution. I don't fundamentally hold Christianity as the 100% truth, nor do I do the same with Evolution.

DeeJayInphinity

The difference is that one book can be proved while the other book can't be proved; one is scientific the other is pure theology and speculation.

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved. so fail.

Also, drawings in a book, or fossils do not constitute for the billions or even trillions of different types of organisms that are out there. You'd have to link up each one to make it proof.

[QUOTE="elmo90"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"]

[QUOTE="elmo90"]When asked if I am a theistic evolutionist, I say no. When asked if I believe the belief of evolution and Christianity can conjoin peacefully, I say yes.GameBoy966

I assume you're a creationist? May I ask why?

I am also a Christian for very personal reasons, so I can at least identify with that.:)

I also agree with your second point. I don't think evolution could result with life we have now without some sort of Divine guidance.

Yup, he was reincarnated 3 days later. There's definitely proof of that.

DeeJayInphinity

!. He was not reincarnated.

2. I never said there was. I said "many parts" not "everything" and there IS evidence that Christ existed, and was crucified.

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved so fail there.

Total-KO

You just proved his point.

[QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="elmo90"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"]

[QUOTE="elmo90"]When asked if I am a theistic evolutionist, I say no. When asked if I believe the belief of evolution and Christianity can conjoin peacefully, I say yes.elmo90

I assume you're a creationist? May I ask why?

I am also a Christian for very personal reasons, so I can at least identify with that.:)

I also agree with your second point. I don't think evolution could result with life we have now without some sort of Divine guidance.

Gee willikers Batman! Why could that be?:P

What's funny is that in the long process of scientifically explaining life without God, they are always forced back into admitting a sort of "scientific force/law" from which order is found from chaos and life is found without cause. This, of course, is also the concept of a higher power. God is somewhat inescapable to those who think clearly.elmo90

or, it's a placeholder.

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved. so fail.

Also, drawings in a book, or fossils do not constitute for the billions or even trillions of different types of organisms that are out there. You'd have to link up each one to make it proof.

Total-KO

You mean blind faith? :lol:

I don't worship something that can't be proved.

Not all of them have to be linked together in order to prove evolution. A majority will do; the simple fact is that not every single organism that has ever existed on Earth can be examined properly in order to link them all together. As it stands, some of the major organisms have been linked and evolution -as of now- is the single best answer for how we got here.

It would be nice to have a chance to link every organism together. At least it's not being shrugged off as "god did it."

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Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved so fail there.

The_Ish

You just proved his point.

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved so fail there.

Total-KO

You just proved his point.

Thats it? :?

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved. so fail.

Also, drawings in a book, or fossils do not constitute for the billions or even trillions of different types of organisms that are out there. You'd have to link up each one to make it proof.

DeeJayInphinity

You mean blind faith? :lol:

I don't worship something that can't be proved.

Rationality is the foundation of genius. Only rationality is the foundation of foolishness.

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved. so fail.

Also, drawings in a book, or fossils do not constitute for the billions or even trillions of different types of organisms that are out there. You'd have to link up each one to make it proof.

DeeJayInphinity

You mean blind faith? :lol:

I don't worship something that can't be proved.

What's blind about it? Just because something can't be proved, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's not being blind, its called believing.

fact is, that not every single organism that has ever existed on Earth can be examined properly in order to link them all together. As it stands, some of the major organisms have been linked and evolution -as of now- is the single best answer for how we got here.

It would be nice to have a chance to link every organism together. At least it's not being shrugged off as "god did it."

DeeJayInphinity

Ignorance is bliss.

What's funny is that in the long process of scientifically explaining life without God, they are always forced back into admitting a sort of "scientific force/law" from which order is found from chaos and life is found without cause. This, of course, is also the concept of a higher power. God is somewhat inescapable to those who think clearly.elmo90

Scientific law is not "god." It's a set of rules which govern the universe and led to the creation of the universe.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved. so fail.

Also, drawings in a book, or fossils do not constitute for the billions or even trillions of different types of organisms that are out there. You'd have to link up each one to make it proof.

Silver_Dragon17

You mean blind faith? :lol:

I don't worship something that can't be proved.

Rationality is the foundation of genius. Only rationality is the foundation of foolishness.

Yet people believe in Noahs Ark actually happening.. How can this be rational at all?

That's not being blind, its called believing.

Total-KO

it would be nice to know the difference.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved. so fail.

Also, drawings in a book, or fossils do not constitute for the billions or even trillions of different types of organisms that are out there. You'd have to link up each one to make it proof.

Total-KO

You mean blind faith? :lol:

I don't worship something that can't be proved.

What's blind about it? Just because something can't be proved, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's not being blind, its called having a believing.

fact is, that not every single organism that has ever existed on Earth can be examined properly in order to link them all together. As it stands, some of the major organisms have been linked and evolution -as of now- is the single best answer for how we got here.

It would be nice to have a chance to link every organism together. At least it's not being shrugged off as "god did it."

DeeJayInphinity

Ignorance is bliss.

What the.. what's not blind about it? You believe in something that has nothing going for it. That is blind faith. It's a belief, but it's a blind belief.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved. so fail.

Also, drawings in a book, or fossils do not constitute for the billions or even trillions of different types of organisms that are out there. You'd have to link up each one to make it proof.

sSubZerOo

You mean blind faith? :lol:

I don't worship something that can't be proved.

Rationality is the foundation of genius. Only rationality is the foundation of foolishness.

Yet people believe in Noahs Ark actually happening.. How can this be rational at all?

They look at the evidence, or at least what they think is evidence. What is and what isn't evidence does not matter; What matters is what they think is evidence, and if they come to conclusions based on their own reasoning, that is in and of itself rationality.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved. so fail.

Also, drawings in a book, or fossils do not constitute for the billions or even trillions of different types of organisms that are out there. You'd have to link up each one to make it proof.

sSubZerOo

You mean blind faith? :lol:

I don't worship something that can't be proved.

Rationality is the foundation of genius. Only rationality is the foundation of foolishness.

Yet people believe in Noahs Ark actually happening.. How can this be rational at all?

Well, it is certainly rational to believe that a man builta boat to escape an on coming flood. It is also rational to believe that this person could have took two of every animal (within reason) within a particular area around him.

[QUOTE="elmo90"]What's funny is that in the long process of scientifically explaining life without God, they are always forced back into admitting a sort of "scientific force/law" from which order is found from chaos and life is found without cause. This, of course, is also the concept of a higher power. God is somewhat inescapable to those who think clearly.DeeJayInphinity

Scientific law is not "god." It's a set of rules which govern the universe and led to the creation of the universe.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="elmo90"]What's funny is that in the long process of scientifically explaining life without God, they are always forced back into admitting a sort of "scientific force/law" from which order is found from chaos and life is found without cause. This, of course, is also the concept of a higher power. God is somewhat inescapable to those who think clearly.elmo90

Scientific law is not "god." It's a set of rules which govern the universe and led to the creation of the universe.

1. 1. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
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5. A very handsome man.
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[QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved. so fail.

Also, drawings in a book, or fossils do not constitute for the billions or even trillions of different types of organisms that are out there. You'd have to link up each one to make it proof.

DeeJayInphinity

You mean blind faith? :lol:

I don't worship something that can't be proved.

What's blind about it? Just because something can't be proved, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's not being blind, its called having a believing.

fact is, that not every single organism that has ever existed on Earth can be examined properly in order to link them all together. As it stands, some of the major organisms have been linked and evolution -as of now- is the single best answer for how we got here.

It would be nice to have a chance to link every organism together. At least it's not being shrugged off as "god did it."

DeeJayInphinity

Ignorance is bliss.

What the.. what's not blind about it? You believe in something that has nothing going for it. That is blind faith. It's a belief, but it's a blind belief.

The fact that you have not been in the position that I have been in, and experienced what I have under a religion, that I think has the answers to questions in my life, when nothing else could, yet sit there and say you are qualified with all these phony attempts at disapproval and criticism,is blind.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved. so fail.

Also, drawings in a book, or fossils do not constitute for the billions or even trillions of different types of organisms that are out there. You'd have to link up each one to make it proof.

Total-KO

You mean blind faith? :lol:

I don't worship something that can't be proved.

Rationality is the foundation of genius. Only rationality is the foundation of foolishness.

Yet people believe in Noahs Ark actually happening.. How can this be rational at all?

Well, it is certainly rational to believe that a man builta boat to escape an on coming flood. It is also rational to believe that this person could have took two of every animal (within reason) within a particular area around him.

Yes but taken litterally means the entire earth was engulfed from this.. Common rational thought alone would dispove that this wouldn't be possible.. The entire natural world was not discovered at this time, nor did one man have the technology, power to do this.. Lets not forget that it would cause genocide of the majority of the human race..

The fact that you have not been in the position that I have been in, and experienced what I have under a religion, that I think has the answers to questions in my life, when nothing else could, yet sit there and say you are qualified with all these phony attempts at disapproval and criticism,is blind.

Total-KO

Trust me, I've been there. I was just as religious as you were. The fact that you sit there and judge my past without knowing me is blind. :lol:

You just keep contradicting yourself.

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The fact that you have not been in the position that I have been in, and experienced what I have under a religion, that I think has the answers to questions in my life, when nothing else could, yet sit there and say you are qualified with all these phony attempts at disapproval and criticism,is blind.

DeeJayInphinity

Trust me, I've been there. I was just as religious as you were. The fact that you sit there and judge my past without knowing me is blind. :lol:

You just keep contradicting yourself.

I don't judge you.

And you saying that I am blind does not make me contradictory.

[QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Wrong. :|

Religion & Spirituality is meant to be believed, not proved. so fail.

Also, drawings in a book, or fossils do not constitute for the billions or even trillions of different types of organisms that are out there. You'd have to link up each one to make it proof.

sSubZerOo

You mean blind faith? :lol:

I don't worship something that can't be proved.

Rationality is the foundation of genius. Only rationality is the foundation of foolishness.

Yet people believe in Noahs Ark actually happening.. How can this be rational at all?

Well, it is certainly rational to believe that a man builta boat to escape an on coming flood. It is also rational to believe that this person could have took two of every animal (within reason) within a particular area around him.

Yes but taken litterally means the entire earth was engulfed from this.. Common rational thought alone would dispove that this wouldn't be possible.. The entire natural world was not discovered at this time, nor did one man have the technology, power to do this.. Lets not forget that it would cause genocide of the majority of the human race..

Y'ar darn tootin'!

Yes but taken litterally means the entire earth was engulfed from this.. Common rational thought alone would dispove that this wouldn't be possible.. The entire natural world was not discovered at this time, nor did one man have the technology, power to do this.. Lets not forget that it would cause genocide of the majority of the human race..

sSubZerOo

Then perhaps it wasn't literal.

Oh, and the building of the Ark was not a quick process. The Bible says it literally took HUNDREDS of years for them to build it, so they DID have the means to build such an object back then. It just took longer.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

The fact that you have not been in the position that I have been in, and experienced what I have under a religion, that I think has the answers to questions in my life, when nothing else could, yet sit there and say you are qualified with all these phony attempts at disapproval and criticism,is blind.

Total-KO

Trust me, I've been there. I was just as religious as you were. The fact that you sit there and judge my past without knowing me is blind. :lol:

You just keep contradicting yourself.

I don't judge you.

And you saying that I am blind does not make me contradictory.

You did judge me

I didn't say it did. I'm just saying that you keep contradicting yourself. I haven't done or said anything that makes you contradict yourself, you did all the work.

[QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

The fact that you have not been in the position that I have been in, and experienced what I have under a religion, that I think has the answers to questions in my life, when nothing else could, yet sit there and say you are qualified with all these phony attempts at disapproval and criticism,is blind.

DeeJayInphinity

Trust me, I've been there. I was just as religious as you were. The fact that you sit there and judge my past without knowing me is blind. :lol:

You just keep contradicting yourself.

I don't judge you.

And you saying that I am blind does not make me contradictory.

You did judge me

I didn't say it did. I'm just saying that you keep contradicting yourself. I haven't done or said anything that makes you contradict yourself, you did all the work.

I didn't judge you or contradict myself. Ugh, this has just turned into a playground '"No I Didn't", "Yes you did."' debate. :roll:

I didn't judge you or contradict myself. Ugh, this has just turned into a playground '"No I Didn't", "Yes you did."' debate. :roll:

Total-KO

You started it. :P

Just kidding.