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#51 Oriental_Jams
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Too...much...wrong...

Firstly it wasn't by accident. Random mutation led to benefits, which led to that mutation being passed down to the next generation. Those without this mutation would die out. Secondly, we're not evolved from monkeys, we share a common ancestor. And thirdly, languages has nothing to do with evolution.

P.S. Many languages have more words for certain things that others. Eskimoes (Inuit is not the correct term) in fact have fewer words for snow than we do. The ancient greeks didn't have a word for blue.

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#52 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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evolution is an example of epic failmingo123

How so?

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#53 Oriental_Jams
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[QUOTE="mingo123"]evolution is an example of epic failjointed

How so?

He passed under it's radar.

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#54 kingdre
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Looks like the TC is too embarassed to reply anymore. Fail. :(
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#55 yoshi-lnex
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evolution is an example of epic failmingo123
It's been proven....
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#56 drewtwo99
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Looks like the TC is too embarassed to reply anymore. Fail. :(kingdre

laidback will return, with a new insight or revalation that's just as absurd as the first one.

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#57 DrSponge
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[QUOTE="kingdre"]Looks like the TC is too embarassed to reply anymore. Fail. :(drewtwo99

laidback will return, with a new insight or revalation that's just as absurd as the first one.

I was under the impression he was a troll :?

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#58 kingdre
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[QUOTE="kingdre"]Looks like the TC is too embarassed to reply anymore. Fail. :(drewtwo99

laidback will return, with a new insight or revalation that's just as absurd as the first one.

And in so doing, he makes creationists look worse. Assuming he is one.

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#59 drewtwo99
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[QUOTE="drewtwo99"]

[QUOTE="kingdre"]Looks like the TC is too embarassed to reply anymore. Fail. :(DrSponge

laidback will return, with a new insight or revalation that's just as absurd as the first one.

I was under the impression he was a troll :?

no, not quite. I think he actually believes his ramblings. Maybe not though.

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#60 DrSponge
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="drewtwo99"]

[QUOTE="kingdre"]Looks like the TC is too embarassed to reply anymore. Fail. :(drewtwo99

laidback will return, with a new insight or revalation that's just as absurd as the first one.

I was under the impression he was a troll :?

no, not quite. I think he actually believes his ramblings. Maybe not though.

That is an insane presumption, that I sincerely hope isn't true...

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[QUOTE="kingdre"]Looks like the TC is too embarassed to reply anymore. Fail. :(drewtwo99

laidback will return, with a new insight or revalation that's just as absurd as the first one.

Well, we've already had epic fails at biology and physics, so no doubt chemistry will soon be added to the pile.

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#62 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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That is an insane presumption, that I sincerely hope isn't true...

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Wouldn't a sane person in an insane world... actually be insane?
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#63 drewtwo99
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[QUOTE="drewtwo99"]

[QUOTE="kingdre"]Looks like the TC is too embarassed to reply anymore. Fail. :(Junkie_man

laidback will return, with a new insight or revalation that's just as absurd as the first one.

Well, we've already had epic fails at biology and physics, so no doubt chemistry will soon be added to the pile.

Hahaha, I really hope he comes in debunking molecular orbital theory AND valence bond theory with some new theory.

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#64 the_one34
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[QUOTE="the_one34"]

Evolution isn't a fact, it's a theory. Facts are numerous and boring, theories seek to explain facts. Evolutionary theory seeks to explain facts.

Kinteic Theory

Atomic Theory

Cell Theory

Electrical Theory

They're all "just" theories right :|

ithilgore2006

Most people against it make the mistake of equating scientific theory with a conspiracy theory. To even get to the theory level in science, it must have huge amounts of evidence and be almost certain to be true.

Getting up to "theory" status is probably one of the most difficult things to do and the most presitigous award as it becomes quasi permanently accepted universally in the scientific community.

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#65 the_one34
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[QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="drewtwo99"]

[QUOTE="kingdre"]Looks like the TC is too embarassed to reply anymore. Fail. :(drewtwo99

laidback will return, with a new insight or revalation that's just as absurd as the first one.

Well, we've already had epic fails at biology and physics, so no doubt chemistry will soon be added to the pile.

Hahaha, I really hope he comes in debunking molecular orbital theory AND valence bond theory with some new theory.

Dohhh there's only one orbital, the God orbital. Shaped like a flying spaghetti monster :P

And hybridisation?! POLYTHEISM!

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#66 DrSponge
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"]

That is an insane presumption, that I sincerely hope isn't true...

Jandurin

Wouldn't a sane person in an insane world... actually be insane?

It depends on how you define sane.

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#67 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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It depends on how you define sane.

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Sanity is subjective? Insanity!
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#68 DrSponge
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"]

It depends on how you define sane.

Jandurin

Sanity is subjective? Insanity!

Sanity is completely subjective!

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#69 Buddha_basic
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everyone is so quick to nail an individual to the cross for believing something different or ..yea maybe being misinformed. BARBARIC!! ANIMALS ... ALL ANIMALS! no but really you guys suck...
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#70 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Sanity is completely subjective!

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But then there's no true test for sanity. It's just how well you can fool others into thinking you're like them, and that how they're like is the way everyone else is. Sanity is just conformity to the norm :?:question:
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#71 Oriental_Jams
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everyone is so quick to nail an individual to the cross for believing something different or ..yea maybe being misinformed. BARBARIC!! ANIMALS ... ALL ANIMALS! no but really you guys suck...Buddha_basic

For being right?

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#72 DrSponge
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"]

Sanity is completely subjective!

Jandurin

But then there's no true test for sanity. It's just how well you can fool others into thinking you're like them, and that how they're like is the way everyone else is. Sanity is just conformity to the norm :?:question:

What we claim to be insanity, could be sanity on a different planet.

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#73 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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What we claim to be insanity, could be sanity on a different planet.

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Let's leave planets out of it and just consider other possible realities where different norms were present. Like Sliders :o
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everyone is so quick to nail an individual to the cross for believing something different or ..yea maybe being misinformed. BARBARIC!! ANIMALS ... ALL ANIMALS! no but really you guys suck...Buddha_basic
We're not nailing anyone to anything, we're just textually abusing them. :P
But seriously.. why shouldn't we? Why do all beliefs have to be 100% respected just because someone believes in that belief? If something is stupid or falsifiable, it should be called stupid and/or false.
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#75 okristian
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everyone is so quick to nail an individual to the cross for believing something different or ..yea maybe being misinformed. BARBARIC!! ANIMALS ... ALL ANIMALS! no but really you guys suck...Buddha_basic

NO U

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everyone is so quick to nail an individual to the cross for believing something different or ..yea maybe being misinformed. BARBARIC!! ANIMALS ... ALL ANIMALS! no but really you guys suck...Buddha_basic

Check is post on why he believes there is no fourth dimension and then tell whether you think he should be pulled apart by four horses.

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#77 wizard90
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Evolution isnt the theory that it all happened by accident, it dosent even claim that.
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#78 Erasorn
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[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

The zealots also have placed stickers on all science textbooks in Cobb County, Georgia stating "evolution is only a theory." This is once again false, because scientific theories are not "only theories." There are heaps of evidence supporting scientific theories including gravity, evolution, etc.

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Those are not there anymore. The court ruled against them. :D

Thank god for that! :)
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#79 The_Last_Ride
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That's not that difficult. Ever heard of the Continental Drift? When groups of people become isolated from each other their communication "evolves".

Southerner's in the USA speak with a slight accent over Northerner's. Now imagine a scenario where complete and total isolation (lack of modern travel such as automobiles, internet, phone) over a large area like this could lead to a more distinct variation of the original language.

I would do some research on it and delve further into this topic for you, but there is no point. This is about the worst question you could ask to prove your point. You would think that it would be self-explanatory with simple logic, but I'll let someone else pwn you, because you'll just ignore it anyway.

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yeah in Norway it's even further differences in the language because of the geographical landscape in Norway

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#80 laidback_16
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Sorry i can't respond as quick as I would like, i was in skool and am soon heading for work. Lets keep this on topic. In my opinion I believe God exist. Why? Because of certain things that have happened in my life. Could I be wrong? In my opinion no, but who really noes. We won't find out until we die.

Evolutionist i'm going to ask this again, and please for the love of knowledge, if your going to critize me, just blog it and save room for the people who are going to actually bring knowledge to this thread. If i am wrong correct me, believe me I don't mind learning something new. My problem with evolution is how far does it go. If we evolved and share a "cmon ancestor" where along the lines did we evolve a concsious. No other being on the planet can speak of it self like a human can. At what point did we "evolve" with the ability to recreate. Recreate as in, build a computer. Draw an image, build a statue etc.

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#81 the_one34
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...Could I be wrong? In my opinion no, but who really noes. We won't find out until we die..

laidback_16

Talk about biased. And you were expecting an answer? Try and be more scientific.

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#82 mrbojangles25
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How do I explain languages?

Evolution lol.

Body language was the start, then it turned into a combination of the two, then finally language arose with the advent of vocal cords or whatever.

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#83 laidback_16
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How do I explain languages?

Evolution lol.

Body language was the start, then it turned into a combination of the two, then finally language arose with the advent of vocal cords or whatever.

mrbojangles25

Is there a transitional periode in history where this is recorded?

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All animals have an ability to reason. "If I take out the weakest in the herd I won't have to do as much work," or "If I hide here they won't be able to see me." Now the only animals that contemplate on things like philosophy are humans (that we know of. I don't know what a dolphin is thinking and have a serious fear that the will someday overthrow us. The origin of cognitive thought, though isn't really hard to imagine.

It would have started with a few predatory ancestors deciding that it would be more beneficial to hunt together. Collectively their reasoning skills would have improved and they would start surviving with ease. At some point a natural selection would shift to those with better skills at reasoning and our brains would develop. Keep in mind that this is all taking place over thousands of years and in addition to physical attributes of the brain we'd have a collective knowledge going.

By collective knowledge I mean things that the pack knows. An offspring will learn how to hunt by observing the rest of the pack including her parents. Suppose someone tries something new and it works. Then its added to the collective knowledge and it will be passed on to the offspring and they will pass it on to their offspring, etc. This is basically how a species as a whole learns. Now by some happenstance some primate picked up a rock and used it to club something. He realizes it works and continues to use it. The other members of the pack observe and copy him. Thus tools are born.

Tools become more sophisticated, little by little. They learn what works and what doesn't and they learn how to combine what works into something that works even better. I don't really now how we developed. I'm just using inference. All I know is that at some point we learned that rocks can be used to kill things, that we can eat vegetables when we don't have any meat to eat. That shileding yourself from the elements via either natural formations or makeshift shelters is good. Etc.

As for the development of emotions. At some point we started realizing the values of each other to the clan. This meant that if someone died we knew the clan was weaker. It is from this that I think we started to mourn our fallen. We started to grasp our fellow clan members fleeting existence and we started to look at our own.

I think I've shown that it really isn't that hard to imagine elementary deductive reasoning found in the stupidest of animals evolving into cognitive thought. As for the origin of language. That came about when there was a need to communicate complex ideas to the clan. It started out as murmurs and sreeches like you can hear in monkeys and slowly we accepted common meanings for certain sounds. These common meanings are passed into the collective knowledge and the evolution of language slowly (very slowly) crept forward.

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#85 Aradae2357
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

How do I explain languages?

Evolution lol.

Body language was the start, then it turned into a combination of the two, then finally language arose with the advent of vocal cords or whatever.

laidback_16

Is there a transitional periode in history where this is recorded?

It can't have been recorded if we didn't have a language or if the language was developing.

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#86 laidback_16
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[QUOTE="laidback_16"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

How do I explain languages?

Evolution lol.

Body language was the start, then it turned into a combination of the two, then finally language arose with the advent of vocal cords or whatever.

Aradae2357

Is there a transitional periode in history where this is recorded?

It can't have been recorded if we didn't have a language or if the language was developing.

But there has to be a transitional periode in history to at least hint at it.

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#87 SIapshot
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Laidback, it's obvious that you don't understand the basic concepts behind evolution, yet you expect people to fully explain them to you. Evolution is inevitable because of the small amounts of cosmic radiation that make it to earths surface, these particles normally pass right through you, but every once in a while, they strike an atom. If that atom is part of your DNA molecule, your DNA becomes altered. (hence the abundance of "mutant" jokes around nuclear facilities)

This is one very simplified explaination of how the DNA of a living organism is altered naturally, and inevitably.

If you believe that God created everything around you including the human mind, then why do you deny the scientific knowledge and achievements of the human mind?

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#89 Cerussite
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Is it really that hard to get your facts straight, or is ignorance really that bliss?

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#90 Thyeora
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[QUOTE="Aradae2357"][QUOTE="laidback_16"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

How do I explain languages?

Evolution lol.

Body language was the start, then it turned into a combination of the two, then finally language arose with the advent of vocal cords or whatever.

laidback_16

Is there a transitional periode in history where this is recorded?

It can't have been recorded if we didn't have a language or if the language was developing.

But there has to be a transitional periode in history to at least hint at it.

The petroglyphs of Europe and Egyptian hieroglyphics I believe are what fill the gap.

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#91 legend26
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confusing evolution with linguistics FTL!

and by what your saying you know nothing about evolution

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#92 MattUD1
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Sorry i can't respond as quick as I would like, i was in skool and am soon heading for work. Lets keep this on topic. In my opinion I believe God exist. Why? Because of certain things that have happened in my life. Could I be wrong? In my opinion no, but who really noes. We won't find out until we die.

Evolutionist i'm going to ask this again, and please for the love of knowledge, if your going to critize me, just blog it and save room for the people who are going to actually bring knowledge to this thread. If i am wrong correct me, believe me I don't mind learning something new. My problem with evolution is how far does it go. If we evolved and share a "cmon ancestor" where along the lines did we evolve a concsious. No other being on the planet can speak of it self like a human can. At what point did we "evolve" with the ability to recreate. Recreate as in, build a computer. Draw an image, build a statue etc.

laidback_16
Depends on which anthropologist, evolutionary biologist, etc., etc. you ask. Some claims of modern humans becoming humans depends on who you ask. But asking the locals across the internet isn't the best place, especially when you start off on one topic (evolution) then wind up in another (linguistics) without any apparent transition.
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#93 MattUD1
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[QUOTE="laidback_16"][QUOTE="Aradae2357"][QUOTE="laidback_16"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

How do I explain languages?

Evolution lol.

Body language was the start, then it turned into a combination of the two, then finally language arose with the advent of vocal cords or whatever.

Thyeora

Is there a transitional periode in history where this is recorded?

It can't have been recorded if we didn't have a language or if the language was developing.

But there has to be a transitional periode in history to at least hint at it.

The petroglyphs of Europe and Egyptian hieroglyphics I believe are what fill the gap.

Petroglyps.... ah, ok. Cave paintings.
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#94 Oriental_Jams
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Sorry i can't respond as quick as I would like, i was in skool and am soon heading for work. Lets keep this on topic. In my opinion I believe God exist. Why? Because of certain things that have happened in my life. Could I be wrong? In my opinion no, but who really noes. We won't find out until we die.

Evolutionist i'm going to ask this again, and please for the love of knowledge, if your going to critize me, just blog it and save room for the people who are going to actually bring knowledge to this thread. If i am wrong correct me, believe me I don't mind learning something new. My problem with evolution is how far does it go. If we evolved and share a "cmon ancestor" where along the lines did we evolve a concsious. No other being on the planet can speak of it self like a human can. At what point did we "evolve" with the ability to recreate. Recreate as in, build a computer. Draw an image, build a statue etc.

laidback_16

Animals have been shown to draw and use simple tools. And several apes have been taught sign language and can hold a conversation.

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#95 flowerif
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Here I have an idea for the person who started this group...why not stop asking people on gamespot where you are most likely to not learn barly anything because of the fact that some people here are either too smart or too dumb for you and since you are so interested in the topic,go to school and study these things that way you will be able to better understan these thing,better understand,not full,no one fully unerstands anything...
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#96 Hewkii
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there's only a few places where language originates, actually (Sumeria/Mesopotamia, Mexico, and somewhere else, I think). all the other ones are just variations on those languages.
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If we evolved and share a "cmon ancestor" where along the lines did we evolve a concsious.laidback_16
Wow. Don't go holding back the question of life, the universe, and everything or anything.
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#98 Brainkiller05
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[QUOTE="Aradae2357"][QUOTE="laidback_16"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

How do I explain languages?

Evolution lol.

Body language was the start, then it turned into a combination of the two, then finally language arose with the advent of vocal cords or whatever.

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Is there a transitional periode in history where this is recorded?

It can't have been recorded if we didn't have a language or if the language was developing.

But there has to be a transitional periode in history to at least hint at it.

You make it sound like one day every single caveman woke up and built buildings and computers, that didn't happen.

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

How do I explain languages?

Evolution lol.

Body language was the start, then it turned into a combination of the two, then finally language arose with the advent of vocal cords or whatever.

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Is there a transitional periode in history where this is recorded?

How could the emergence of language be recorded? It shouldn't take a deep thinker to understand why no one wrote a book about this cool thing that was about to come about called "language"...
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Everything an animal does is to help it survive. Language is extensively used by social animals, and language can help save the whole group. Chimps often grin to warn of danger, and the animals leave the area until the danger has left. Other signs show that an animal is ready to mate. With humans, they most likely started off as hand/facial signals, then vocal signals, and slowly, over time, these vocal signals became more complex. Certain humans made certain vocal systems, and these systems evolved into languages.