Fat guys: why not lose weight?

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="Kurushio"]

To maintain their weight, yes you are right. To lose weight you should intake at least 1200 and preferably no more than 1600. That way you could indulge a day a week and still be ok calorie wise, not even including any exercise. You can drop about 3-4lbs a month which is a perfectly healthy drop in weight and you wouldnt be starving. It does depend on the size of the person as well. A heavy 6ft tall male could have a much higher calorie intake and still lose weight, but what i said still holds true. Also reducing sodium intake is another biggie since it makes you retain water and most people consume way more than they should each day.

Kurushio

You're eating 500 calories in a big mac in such a small package. Not only is it filled with bad fats and sodium, you crave even more food becaue it isn't filling. If you eat Chicken breast with brown rice with veggies on fruits, you could eat 600-700 calories and that would be a better meal. Low in fat, lean chicken, low in sodium etc, and you'll feel full because of the fibre in the fruit and veggies.

[QUOTE="Kurushio"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] Yeah but eating 1200 calories is the minimum for survival, that's practically what bodybuilders eat to prepare for competition day....to lose weight its best to eat smarter (better calories), and exercise. It needs to be a little bit of both. lonewolf604

True... man made fats are harder to burn off according to what I've been told.

No such thing as a better calorie? So there's no different between a Big Mac vs Chicken Breast and a Salad? Quality of calories does matter.

You're eating 500 calories in a big mac in such a small package. Not only is it filled with bad fats and sodium, you crave even more food becaue it isn't filling. If you eat Chicken breast with brown rice with veggies on fruits, you could eat 600-700 calories and that would be a better meal. Low in fat, lean chicken, low in sodium etc, and you'll feel full because of the fibre in the fruit and veggies.

lonewolf604

Technically, i said a calorie is a calorie. It makes no difference if you get 500 calories eating a burger or veggies. That said obviously eating veggies is going to be far more healthy and less fattening. It all matters of course and really if you want to get into it even more, often times chicken breast have a substantial amount of sodium injected into them, even grilled. Then with salads after adding dressing and croutons and cheese, ends up being just as bad if not worse than a burger, especially when they order it thinking it was a "healthy" choice.

KFC Double Down is actually pretty healthy at only about 500 calories i believe but the sodium is of course going to be high.

There are millions of people that have smart phones with a data plan that could easily download free programs that can input what they eat to get the approximate calories of what they are consuming. We generally know what we are eating is probably going to be not great for us, but when you can see what is really in it, it can really make you think more than twice about what you are about to eat.

I get that people have different metabolims and that location and economics play a big factor. Fruits and veggies cost much more per calorie than a hamburger at mcdonalds, but it still is not that expensive or difficult to cut back and the savings on healthcare later could more than make up for it. I guess it's just more about eating smarter.

I dont preach or make fun of overweight people, but if someone tells me that they want to lose weight i fully support them and i try to tell them what worked for me with the understanding that it takes months to see benefits and that it will take some sacrifices and will power.

You don't even need to exercise to lose weight. You can sit at home and play video games all day. All you have to control is how much you eat. Count your calories and eat at a deficit and you will lose weight. Weight loss isn't hard at all. princeofshapeir

Studies have suggested people who eat less and exercise less have lower resting metabolic rates than people who eat more, but exercise more.

Exercise is a big part of the equation that is being left out by many. Yes it is possible to lose weight just eating less, but half the weight you lose will be lean mass, versus the desired fat mass.

Exercise is very important for a healthy lifestyle. Overwieght people who exercise are likely just as healthy or healthier than skinny people who don't exercise. So those making fun of fat people who exercise better understand that they are possibly less healthy than the fat people they are mocking.

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]You don't even need to exercise to lose weight. You can sit at home and play video games all day. All you have to control is how much you eat. Count your calories and eat at a deficit and you will lose weight. Weight loss isn't hard at all. princeofshapeir

Studies have suggested people who eat less and exercise less have lower resting metabolic rates than people who eat more, but exercise more.

Exercise is a big part of the equation that is being left out by many. Yes it is possible to lose weight just eating less, but half the weight you lose will be lean mass, versus the desired fat mass.

Exercise is very important for a healthy lifestyle. Overwieght people who exercise are likely just as healthy or healthier than skinny people who don't exercise. So those making fun of fat people who exercise better understand that they are possibly less healthy than the fat people they are mocking.

Zlurodirom

[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

Studies have suggested people who eat less and exercise less have lower resting metabolic rates than people who eat more, but exercise more.

Exercise is a big part of the equation that is being left out by many. Yes it is possible to lose weight just eating less, but half the weight you lose will be lean mass, versus the desired fat mass.

Exercise is very important for a healthy lifestyle. Overwieght people who exercise are likely just as healthy or healthier than skinny people who don't exercise. So those making fun of fat people who exercise better understand that they are possibly less healthy than the fat people they are mocking.

Kurushio

They have controlled for body comppsition.

The sympathetic nervous system has a higher rate of stimulation per minute for those who are habitually exercising, versus those who are not. Studies have looked to see what happens if these people suddenly stop eating as much or exercising at all for a few days, and found their resting metabolic rate drops. A couple days is not enough time to lose a significant amount of lean tissue. Thus the habitually active person likely has a higher resting metabolic rate when active and eating more, versus not active, and not eating as much.

I have a sh1t metabolism.00-Riddick-00

[QUOTE="Kurushio"][QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

Studies have suggested people who eat less and exercise less have lower resting metabolic rates than people who eat more, but exercise more.

Exercise is a big part of the equation that is being left out by many. Yes it is possible to lose weight just eating less, but half the weight you lose will be lean mass, versus the desired fat mass.

Exercise is very important for a healthy lifestyle. Overwieght people who exercise are likely just as healthy or healthier than skinny people who don't exercise. So those making fun of fat people who exercise better understand that they are possibly less healthy than the fat people they are mocking.

Zlurodirom

They have controlled for body comppsition.

The sympathetic nervous system has a higher rate of stimulation per minute for those who are habitually exercising, versus those who are not. Studies have looked to see what happens if these people suddenly stop eating as much or exercising at all for a few days, and found their resting metabolic rate drops. A couple days is not enough time to lose a significant amount of lean tissue. Thus the habitually active person likely has a higher resting metabolic rate when active and eating more, versus not active, and not eating as much.

Not very well thought out poll. I'm in process of losing weight, but that's mot on there. Other doesn't count.

I'm not sure what your point is. Obviously a few days they would not lose much if any muscle mass if they didnt work out and if they had a pretty regular work out routine then their metabolism would likely have adjusted to meet the demand and although it would likely drop after some time if they did not resume working out, they still would have generated a good portion of muscle mass which consumes more calories at rest than fat tissue would.Kurushio

Let me quickly recap one study I've read on this subject. Habitually exercising older adults (endurance exercise) are followed for a few days, they expend as many calories as they take in, keeping a high energy flux. Then these same individuals stop exercising, and eat less food to match the total metabolic requirements to keep a low energy flux for a couple days. A lower resting metabolic rate is recorded. Thus, the resting metabolic rate is dropping without lean tissue loss, which means that lean tissue mass is one of multiple contributing factors (and being somewhat independant from lean tissue mass, which is different than you were suggesting earlier with lean tissue being a main component).

The point is that people need to continually exercise, and even taking just a couple days off will result in the resting metabolic rate dropping.

I didnt take into account older individuals as most people, myself included, on this website are under 30 where metabolisms are more constant. Obviously the older the person gets the harder and more constant they would have to work to stay in shape. Pretty much the same reason why if you had a 22yr old and a 44yr old drink the same amount, disregarding tolerance buildup, the younger would likely be better off the next morning and would recover more quickly.Kurushio

That's true, which is why this kind of research is being conducted, to determine what causes the resting metabolic rate to decrease over time, because lean tissue is not the whole piece. There's less sympathetic nervous system activation of the beta-adregergic tissue (skeletal muscle) when people are in a low energy flux state, so some think it is due to this symapathetic nervous system activation of the beta-adrenergic tissue decreasing the resting metabolic rate. Of course triiodothyronin and thyroxin (t3 & t4, the "metabolic hormones") also play some role (though independant from the study I meantioned).

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]I have a sh1t metabolism.MannyDelgado

Stop killing his excuse man.:evil:

This thread makes me rage a bit to be honest, there really is no excuse for being fat unless you legitimately have an actual medical condition that prevents you from being able to lose weight regularly. If you cant dedicate 3 hours a week to fitness and eat a normal amount of calories per day you clearly do not care or respect for your body, and you sure the hell don't deserve to be respected by other people for it.

I get how emotional issues can come into play and food addiction, but it's still not an excuse. It's not even the people who are 20-30lbs overweight that bug me, because that happens to the best of us eventually. But the people who are like far up there to the point where they can barely move around properly, and have to consume like and absurd amount calories every day to maintain their weight (4000+) that seriously need to reconsider what the hell they are doing to their body.

The fat acceptance BS doesn't help either. "it's okay to be fat! Accept yourself for who you are it's not your fault you are the way you are it's genetics blah blah self victimizing blah blah you can be healthy! blah blah" All crap. Completely unhealthy and unnecessary to be fat, and while genetics play a role it isn't the huge role that most people believe it is.

This thread makes me rage a bit to be honest, there really is no excuse for being fat unless you legitimately have an actual medical condition that prevents you from being able to lose weight regularly. If you cant dedicate 3 hours a week to fitness and eat a normal amount of calories per day you clearly do not care or respect for your body, and you sure the hell don't deserve to be respected by other people for it.

I get how emotional issues can come into play and food addiction, but it's still not an excuse. It's not even the people who are 20-30lbs overweight that bug me, because that happens to the best of us eventually. But the people who are like far up there to the point where they can barely move around properly, and have to consume like and absurd amount calories every day to maintain their weight (4000+) that seriously need to reconsider what the hell they are doing to their body.

The fat acceptance BS doesn't help either. "it's okay to be fat! Accept yourself for who you are it's not your fault you are the way you are it's genetics blah blah self victimizing blah blah you can be healthy! blah blah" All crap. Completely unhealthy and unnecessary to be fat, and while genetics play a role it isn't the huge role that most people believe it is.

LLYNCES

Zyzz would be proud

This thread makes me rage a bit to be honest, there really is no excuse for being fat unless you legitimately have an actual medical condition that prevents you from being able to lose weight regularly. If you cant dedicate 3 hours a week to fitness and eat a normal amount of calories per day you clearly do not care or respect for your body, and you sure the hell don't deserve to be respected by other people for it.

I get how emotional issues can come into play and food addiction, but it's still not an excuse. It's not even the people who are 20-30lbs overweight that bug me, because that happens to the best of us eventually. But the people who are like far up there to the point where they can barely move around properly, and have to consume like and absurd amount calories every day to maintain their weight (4000+) that seriously need to reconsider what the hell they are doing to their body.

The fat acceptance BS doesn't help either. "it's okay to be fat! Accept yourself for who you are it's not your fault you are the way you are it's genetics blah blah self victimizing blah blah you can be healthy! blah blah" All crap. Completely unhealthy and unnecessary to be fat, and while genetics play a role it isn't the huge role that most people believe it is.

LLYNCES

Because people are lazy and society in general these days has produced alot of people that are just weak minded, weak willed and just weak in general.

People these days would rather blame their issues on something like "depression" or stress, or say that they dont have enough time to exercise or workout and lose weight.

Theres so much people can do to make their bodies more healthy but they'd rather take the easy road and blame their lack of trying on something else so that way "its not their fault" and their weight isnt something they can control.

Obviously there are some people who have physiological diseases that stop them from losing weight but for every one of these unfortunate people there are many, many lazy weak willed people that would rather complain or sit back and do nothing when really its all their own fault.

Maybe they really like food? (Like really like food)