Fat people: Why is it still okay...
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What if you don't care about your life expectancy and enjoy what simple things you can such as food?Discrimination against anyone is unwise. However, there's nothing worse than somebody with a treatable medical condition that is unwilling to care for themselves. In all fairness, some people who are obese have untreatable genetic disorders, so they should be left out of any discussion.
Being obese will significantly decrease your life expectancy and whether or not you have medical insurance, you'll become a burden upon everyone as you'll need prolonged medical care costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, which will raise everyone's insurance premiums.
drj077
[QUOTE="jointed"]I don't like fat people because they contribute nothing to society and are discustingSchwah
Let's see if we can name some contributing members of society who qualify as fat... President Taft, Peter Jackson, Luciano Pavarotti, Babe Ruth, Biggy Smalls, B.B. King, Winston Churchill, Benjamen Franklin, Orson Wells, and of course Ron Jeremy just to name a very few.
Oh, and I happen to find you disgusting, jointed, and would you look at that? I can even spell it correctly. It's time to crawl out of that shell my little friend. .
John Belushi!!!!!! Animal House would not have owned has much as it did without him doing his imitation of a zit all over that cheerleader, and singing Louie Louie, or smashing that annoying guys guitar.Because fat people can help their condition. They weren't born 250 lb.quiglythegreatAnd giants can help their condition, because they weren't born 10 feet tall.
unlike being born a certain race, or sexuality at a certain point being fat is a choice. Nobody really insults slightly overweight people (which is the result of genes) it's always those that have really let themselves go beyond what we could expect a person to be able to reach. It's just like emo kids, they don't have to dress like that, and cry all the time, but they want to, and that's why it's ok to make fun of them.But we could and should respect that choice, even if we don't like it.
If we can't make fun of fat people we can't make fun of anybody.
jrhawk42
I don't hate fat people. I hate fat people who whine about being fat yet do nothing about it.ithilgore2006I dislike their attitude. Either be fat and live with it or do something about it (if you don't like being fat).
[QUOTE="drj077"]Discrimination against anyone is unwise. However, there's nothing worse than somebody with a treatable medical condition that is unwilling to care for themselves. In all fairness, some people who are obese have untreatable genetic disorders, so they should be left out of any discussion.
Being obese will significantly decrease your life expectancy and whether or not you have medical insurance, you'll become a burden upon everyone as you'll need prolonged medical care costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, which will raise everyone's insurance premiums.
thewinekone
I agree with this guy. It's like being able to have a shower but not being bothered to have one and stinking the place wherever you go and making it bad for others.
How does fat people "make it bad" for you?[QUOTE="Taxpaying_Acorn"] How effective would stopping drinking be if you had to have a little drink every day? You can't just give up eating cold turkey... you have to eat to survive. So that temptation is always going to be there. I feel really bad for those people :(Schwah
Wow, I've never heard it presented that way before. Great point.
Exactly. My point is that it's neither a good or a bad thing, it just is.Let's not ever make fun of anyone for anything.I put it like this: When someone offends/insults you, it's not a reflexion of you, but of them.
Even jerks are often jerks through no fault of their own. Some of them have serious mental/emotional/psychological problems that are beyond their control. So next time you see someone being a jerk, you should just assume that it's not his fault.
MrGeezer
And as long as you're fine with it, it's perfectly valid. BTW, sorry about your father xhellcatx, I know what is like to have a family member with a disease that isn't curable. All you can do is enjoy every moment you spend with him, so you won't have any regrets later on...because if someone's a different race or crippled or whatnot, they can't change that, whereas if you're fat, it's your own fault. I'm overweight, and I'm willing to admit that it's for no reason other than I eat a little more than I should, and I don't exercise as much as I should.
MronoC
to make fun of and discriminate them? There are laws (in the US and my country) that condemn racism and discrimination based on sexual preferences. Today it is okay to be gay (as it should be). But I hear and read how some say that fat people are disgusting and they hate them and are a waste of taxpayer's money (that's such a weak argument, some people do pay for their medical insurance). Can't you see that when people say "Fatties make me sick", "They should all be fed to a poor family" and stuff like that are acting like the people that says homosexuality is an abomination? Why can't we be ahead of our times, and stop trying to find reasons to hate or discriminate against others? If someone likes to eat and doesn't care about his/her figure and assumes responsability for whatever happens to him/her, why do you have to demand that person changes his/her life style? Our time here is too short, and if someone doesn't want to mortify himself/herself with diets, healthy food (yuck!), exercise and struggling to get society's ok, I say let them, and respect them.jm4847
I just make fun of the gross fat people.
And the ones who whine about being fat.
[QUOTE="M1Hunter66"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"][QUOTE="M1Hunter66"]Im fat, but Im also in shape. I scored around a 250/300 on my last APFT, which is a little over the company average of like 230's.I'm assuming you're in the military. That's a decent PFT, mine's usually around 275, but then again I'm pretty skinny. Sorry, but I think being morbidly obese and causing it yourself is disgusting. If you want to look like that, whatever, I just don't see the appeal. I diddn't cause it myself though, ive been fat all of my life for some reason. Despite 9 years of football, years of lifting, and military PT, for some reason guys like me can only drop so much weight until we need a new eating plan and such because your body adapts to what you do to it. All kinds of skinny people eat way more than me, way worse foods than me, and never exercise yet they never gain a pound. I don't know why, but I do know that everything that makes you fat is what these people do and they just don't get fat. Everyone has a different metabolism. Sometimes you gotta find foods that will help boost your metabolism, and in some extreme cases, it could be a thyroid problem...some people even have OVER-ACTIVE thyroids and they CANT GAIN weight. (wish i could have that problem lol). ya i have the same problem as the men on the dads side of my family i cant gain weight at all until im about 20
So my question is that if I can run faster than you, run father than you, do more push-ups and sit-ups than you, why am I considered the lazy fatty fatty 2x4 can't fit through the kitchen door?
xhellcatx
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because fat people can help their condition. They weren't born 250 lb.Taxpaying_AcornAnd giants can help their condition, because they weren't born 10 feet tall. That's entirely different. There is no fat gene. Obesity is formed from a habit, not genetics or anything in the womb.
[QUOTE="Taxpaying_Acorn"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because fat people can help their condition. They weren't born 250 lb.quiglythegreatAnd giants can help their condition, because they weren't born 10 feet tall. That's entirely different. There is no fat gene. Obesity is formed from a habit, not genetics or anything in the womb. As we both know, it's also the parents fault a lot of the time as well.
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because fat people can help their condition. They weren't born 250 lb.Taxpaying_AcornAnd giants can help their condition, because they weren't born 10 feet tall. That's clearly a terrible comparison. Every grows, yes. But not everyone gets fat. Your weight is something you can control (for the most part), your height is not. :roll:
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Taxpaying_Acorn"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because fat people can help their condition. They weren't born 250 lb.EboyLOLAnd giants can help their condition, because they weren't born 10 feet tall. That's entirely different. There is no fat gene. Obesity is formed from a habit, not genetics or anything in the womb. As we both know, it's also the parents fault a lot of the time as well. Yes, and that is so with serial killers as well. Most things about a person are because of their parents. Why be particular about it?
[QUOTE="Schwah"][QUOTE="jointed"]I don't like fat people because they contribute nothing to society and are discustingjointed
Let's see if we can name some contributing members of society who qualify as fat... President Taft, Peter Jackson, Luciano Pavarotti, Babe Ruth, Biggy Smalls, B.B. King, Winston Churchill, Benjamen Franklin, Orson Wells, and of course Ron Jeremy just to name a very few.
Oh, and I happen to find you disgusting, jointed, and would you look at that? I can even spell it correctly. It's time to crawl out of that shell my little friend. .
I know better than to respond to childish posts like these..--.but here we go
You obviously don't know what I mean when I say that fat people dont contribute to society...
Most "fat" people are not playing a major role in any work force on the globe but they are still using the countries social benefits that should have gone to peopel that need it more....
You try to offend me by pointing out my minor spelling error, but I frankly dont mind this since I can speak 3 other international languages fluently and I'll give up my english anyday if it meant keeping the other 3.
To be honest.....I dont care what you think about me...because after all......you're insignificant
Even if they didn't contribute nothing to society, they're still humans. And you say it like it affects you directly.i dont make fun of them, i just hate them, because they waste my timekyleali11How do they waste your time? I'd really like to hear your answer to that... [QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="eggsiboss"][QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="jm4847"]to make fun of and discriminate them? There are laws (in the US and my country) that condemn racism and discrimination based on sexual preferences. Today it is okay to be gay (as it should be). But I hear and read how some say that fat people are disgusting and they hate them and are a waste of taxpayer's money (that's such a weak argument, some people do pay for their medical insurance). Can't you see that when people say "Fatties make me sick", "They should all be fed to a poor family" and stuff like that are acting like the people that says homosexuality is an abomination? Why can't we be ahead of our times, and stop trying to find reasons to hate or discriminate against others? If someone likes to eat and doesn't care about his/her figure and assumes responsability for whatever happens to him/her, why do you have to demand that person changes his/her life style? Our time here is too short, and if someone doesn't want to mortify himself/herself with diets, healthy food (yuck!), exercise and struggling to get society's ok, I say let them, and respect them.
Everybody's gotta hate somebody.
Its true. Humans are warring, violent, animals, and now that "modern civilization" has kicked-in it is no longer acceptable to express our rage. Why do you think we get in fist fight over girls, or enjoy violent video games, watching boxing, violent movies? Those forms of medium help us express the violence that we can no longer express due to our civilization. Now that it is no longer acceptable to make fun of other races, mentally challenged, religious, or gay people we have to find some one else to make fun of and unfourtunitley it is fat people. Making fun of "someone" or "something" is a form of dominance and as humans we loooooove to be dominant, its in our biology and we can't help it. At some point in your life all of you will discriminate, or worse, inflict violence upon someone (even a sibling) over a situation, but deep down inside it will simply be because of your human biology. Good post, see mine too, we have got a similar level of understanding:) Yes, you make great points. All are very true, including healthy food being delicious. I'm sorry tequilasunriser, but what you say, it can't be acceptable. We are more than animals, because of our intelligence. Maybe even I feel the urge sometimes to be savage (vindictive, abusive, etc), but I know it's wrong, and I don't do it anymore. Mainly because it doesn't feel right. I refuse to believe that we aren't in control of ourselves. The day I do, I might as well die...
If you stuff your face, don't exercise, sit around getting heavier and more pathetic, feel sorry for yourself, but don't do anything about it but expect others to respect you, you're laughable, a clown. There is no reason to respect or coddle people who lack common sense. You consume more calories than you use in a day, you're going to get fat. You don't want to be a pitiful slob and joke, then do something about it. I don't feel any more sympathy for obesity than I do for people who do anything to an excess, whether it's smoking, drinking, drugs, and then expect others to feel sorry for their inability to grow up and learn moderation and self-discipline. bt_the_great_78Moderation and self-discipline is important to you, what if other people don't care about that, and choose to enjoy eating and hate exercise and tofu? Are you going to think less of them just because they don't share your values?
As much as I hate to say it, I honestly don't have any sympathy for people who have eaten their way into obesity. I mean, it is their fault after all. :|luke1889It's not about feeling sorry, it's about accepting obesity as a life style, as valid as any other.
If you stuff your face, don't exercise, sit around getting heavier and more pathetic, feel sorry for yourself, but don't do anything about it but expect others to respect you, you're laughable, a clown. There is no reason to respect or coddle people who lack common sense. You consume more calories than you use in a day, you're going to get fat. You don't want to be a pitiful slob and joke, then do something about it. I don't feel any more sympathy for obesity than I do for people who do anything to an excess, whether it's smoking, drinking, drugs, and then expect others to feel sorry for their inability to grow up and learn moderation and self-discipline. bt_the_great_78
Wow, I would have expected a much less simplistic, cruel, and one-sided perspective from you. Bummer.
[QUOTE="Schwah"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"]I am so happy your sister got things streightened out! xhellcatx
Thanks hellcat. I'm sorry to hear about the troubles you're having, especially the recent news from your doc. :( I hope your husband remains supportive. I would have given him a swift kick to groin had I been in your shoes.
Thanks, I'll be ok, whatever happens. If I lose the baby then it just wasnt meant to be. Probably for the best seeing as my financial situations not exactly stable, but still, I think I'll still give it a name. My husband almost lost me for the crap he has put me through. I was very ready to pack my bags and walk out the door, and I told him that. I told him I loved him so very much but couldnt take his poor treatment so he had better go to counceling and seek some help on how to treat his wife. Worked....then he got deployed. He still does wish I would lose weight though, and I understand where hes coming from, it just needs to be brought up in a sensitive caring way, not 'god your ugly cause your so fat'...if I do lose the baby, and I do lose a bunch of weight by the time he comes back home, he said he will take me on a cruise. That is motivational and helps me work harder on it. Better then saying "your fat" :) You are too sensitive your husband was just joking around and then you make him take therapy i bet he hates your face now
* Genetically fat:
Kids who are born fat, something they got from their father or mother and it's all based on their genes, with other words: They can't do a thing about it, it's not their fault.
* Fat trough eating a lot:
Then there are the fat kids that can't stop saying they weigh to much, and they can't drop weigth.
Though they don't even seem to eat healthy or stop when they are full up. Eating cookies and candy all the time.
Drinking coke, continually eating snacks, eating ice cream, lots of extra sauces with everything they eat.
Fast Food, etc etc....
Well as you can understand, It's their own damn fault. I don't feel sorry for them.
Though I'm not gonna make fun of them.
I once spit on a war veteran! Yeah I think less of him. And if he wants to think less of me because I'm NOT a war-mongering baby-killer, then he also has that right.
:roll:
Being a jerk just for the sake of being a jerk FTW!
I once spit on a war veteran! Yeah I think less of him. And if he wants to think less of me because I'm NOT a war-mongering baby-killer, then he also has that right.
:roll:
Being a jerk just for the sake of being a jerk FTW!
I'm not sure I understand your analogy. But, I'm not advocating anyone harm, abuse, or harass anyone for whatever reason.
[QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="Schwah"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"]I am so happy your sister got things streightened out! cory4513
Thanks hellcat. I'm sorry to hear about the troubles you're having, especially the recent news from your doc. :( I hope your husband remains supportive. I would have given him a swift kick to groin had I been in your shoes.
Thanks, I'll be ok, whatever happens. If I lose the baby then it just wasnt meant to be. Probably for the best seeing as my financial situations not exactly stable, but still, I think I'll still give it a name. My husband almost lost me for the crap he has put me through. I was very ready to pack my bags and walk out the door, and I told him that. I told him I loved him so very much but couldnt take his poor treatment so he had better go to counceling and seek some help on how to treat his wife. Worked....then he got deployed. He still does wish I would lose weight though, and I understand where hes coming from, it just needs to be brought up in a sensitive caring way, not 'god your ugly cause your so fat'...if I do lose the baby, and I do lose a bunch of weight by the time he comes back home, he said he will take me on a cruise. That is motivational and helps me work harder on it. Better then saying "your fat" :) You are too sensitive your husband was just joking around and then you make him take therapy i bet he hates your face now Ok i REALLY hope your just joking around because if your not, I wanna tear your *holds back* Frigging face off and slash open your jugular. .....If you are not joking around I have this to say. Are you married to my husband? Just joking around was the first 5 times with the things he would do to me PHYSICALLY as well as mentally, it got PAST THE POINT of 'just kidding around' after that when it was constant, EVERYDAY putting me down, calling me fat, lazy, ugly, unattractive, and grabbing my stomach and pinching it and 'flappin my fat' so he would say. I told him when it was starting to really get to me and he should lighten up, but did he stop? NO...he kept it up, not missing a beat...after I told him REPEATEDLY TO STOP. Just jokin around? No. I think not. You, mr 15 year old, need to grow up.Being a jerk just for the sake of being a jerk FTW!MrGeezerIf someone were to go out of their way to treat someone poorly because of their weight, they would be much worse than whomever decides they don't care about their health, appearance, or habits. You've misunderstood something I've said, if you felt I was suggesting this sort of behavior was appropriate. I have a problem with anyone who suggests we should respect the poor decisions others make. I've made many mistakes, probably more than most. Would I like someone to go out of their way to make me feel worse about making those mistakes? No. Would I expect someone to respect me for making those mistakes, tell me they're okay, and feel sympathy? Of course not. If I ask, I would hope they'd tell me straight, that I was being an idiot and that I screwed up.
Obesity isn't a Disease, it's controlable. Meaning that any person who is overweight has done it to themselves while leading a sedintary lifestyle, or doesn't maintain a correct diet.
It's not wise to pick on people for their appearences, here I agree, but it's fool hardy to pity any fat person considering it's treatable by lifestyle change. If you don't want to be fat, you're gonna have to make some changes. You can't have your cake and eat it too (Quite ironic).
[QUOTE="cory4513"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="Schwah"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"]I am so happy your sister got things streightened out! xhellcatx
Thanks hellcat. I'm sorry to hear about the troubles you're having, especially the recent news from your doc. :( I hope your husband remains supportive. I would have given him a swift kick to groin had I been in your shoes.
Thanks, I'll be ok, whatever happens. If I lose the baby then it just wasnt meant to be. Probably for the best seeing as my financial situations not exactly stable, but still, I think I'll still give it a name. My husband almost lost me for the crap he has put me through. I was very ready to pack my bags and walk out the door, and I told him that. I told him I loved him so very much but couldnt take his poor treatment so he had better go to counceling and seek some help on how to treat his wife. Worked....then he got deployed. He still does wish I would lose weight though, and I understand where hes coming from, it just needs to be brought up in a sensitive caring way, not 'god your ugly cause your so fat'...if I do lose the baby, and I do lose a bunch of weight by the time he comes back home, he said he will take me on a cruise. That is motivational and helps me work harder on it. Better then saying "your fat" :) You are too sensitive your husband was just joking around and then you make him take therapy i bet he hates your face now Ok i REALLY hope your just joking around because if your not, I wanna tear your *holds back* Frigging face off and slash open your jugular. .....If you are not joking around I have this to say. Are you married to my husband? Just joking around was the first 5 times with the things he would do to me PHYSICALLY as well as mentally, it got PAST THE POINT of 'just kidding around' after that when it was constant, EVERYDAY putting me down, calling me fat, lazy, ugly, unattractive, and grabbing my stomach and pinching it and 'flappin my fat' so he would say. I told him when it was starting to really get to me and he should lighten up, but did he stop? NO...he kept it up, not missing a beat...after I told him REPEATEDLY TO STOP. Just jokin around? No. I think not. You, mr 15 year old, need to grow up.lawl
I dunno. I guess it's because, unlike race, gender and ( an argument can be made ) sexual affiliation, obesity is a choice. What's funny? Clinics go by an old fashioned way to show obesity ( height vs. weight ). Hell, by technicality I'm obese ( 6'5" 289lbs. ) yet I only have about 12% body fat. I don't know.bigdcstile
Despite a low body fat percentage, more Body mass in general isn't good for the heart. Bigger people tend to live shorter lives and contract heart problems much earlier in life.
The more mass you have, the more arteries and veins you have. The more of these you have, the harder the heart needs to pump just to reach every part of your body. This is generally true, but there are exceptions.
It's like saying "But if your addicted to drugs...just stop taking them. simple.". If someone loses weight to fast they can get sick, get diabetes and also if you lose it to fast the skin will sag and make you look even worse than if you were fat. I also don't eat a lot and a lot of my weight just came on overtime.
People who say things like "they contribute nothing to society " are frelling morons. It's not like all fat people sit at home, watching tv and eating maccas. Yes some do but guess what? So do some skinny people.
I'm overweight and it really pisses me off when people say **** about it. My friends make a joke sometimes and i'm fine with that but when someone calls me a "fat ****" or "fatty" or whatever i'm not fine with it. It isn't as easy as just losing weight either.Good point about the saggy skin. Sometimes you have to have surgery to get it removed even...which is...a scary thought (to me at least)...but I guess it wouldnt be so bad if you donated it...which seems odd, but you can do that. Burn victims need it for skin graphs (it sounds like bs i know but i honestly know people who've done it so i know its not)
It's like saying "But if your addicted to drugs...just stop taking them. simple.". If someone loses weight to fast they can get sick, get diabetes and also if you lose it to fast the skin will sag and make you look even worse than if you were fat. I also don't eat a lot and a lot of my weight just came on overtime.
People who say things like "they contribute nothing to society " are frelling morons. It's not like all fat people sit at home, watching tv and eating maccas. Yes some do but guess what? So do some skinny people.darklord888
[QUOTE="bigdcstile"]I dunno. I guess it's because, unlike race, gender and ( an argument can be made ) sexual affiliation, obesity is a choice. What's funny? Clinics go by an old fashioned way to show obesity ( height vs. weight ). Hell, by technicality I'm obese ( 6'5" 289lbs. ) yet I only have about 12% body fat. I don't know.Donkey_Puncher
Despite a low body fat percentage, more Body mass in general isn't good for the heart. Bigger people tend to live shorter lives and contract heart problems much earlier in life.
The more mass you have, the more arteries and veins you have. The more of these you have, the harder the heart needs to pump just to reach every part of your body. This is generally true, but there are exceptions.
I get what your saying. My doctor's been saying that since I have a curved spine and all, but in my case, I'm an athlete. I kind of need this mass in the trenches on the football field. Though I am following orders and dropping a few pounds.[QUOTE="cory4513"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="Schwah"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"]I am so happy your sister got things streightened out! xhellcatx
Thanks hellcat. I'm sorry to hear about the troubles you're having, especially the recent news from your doc. :( I hope your husband remains supportive. I would have given him a swift kick to groin had I been in your shoes.
Thanks, I'll be ok, whatever happens. If I lose the baby then it just wasnt meant to be. Probably for the best seeing as my financial situations not exactly stable, but still, I think I'll still give it a name. My husband almost lost me for the crap he has put me through. I was very ready to pack my bags and walk out the door, and I told him that. I told him I loved him so very much but couldnt take his poor treatment so he had better go to counceling and seek some help on how to treat his wife. Worked....then he got deployed. He still does wish I would lose weight though, and I understand where hes coming from, it just needs to be brought up in a sensitive caring way, not 'god your ugly cause your so fat'...if I do lose the baby, and I do lose a bunch of weight by the time he comes back home, he said he will take me on a cruise. That is motivational and helps me work harder on it. Better then saying "your fat" :) You are too sensitive your husband was just joking around and then you make him take therapy i bet he hates your face now Ok i REALLY hope your just joking around because if your not, I wanna tear your *holds back* Frigging face off and slash open your jugular. .....If you are not joking around I have this to say. Are you married to my husband? Just joking around was the first 5 times with the things he would do to me PHYSICALLY as well as mentally, it got PAST THE POINT of 'just kidding around' after that when it was constant, EVERYDAY putting me down, calling me fat, lazy, ugly, unattractive, and grabbing my stomach and pinching it and 'flappin my fat' so he would say. I told him when it was starting to really get to me and he should lighten up, but did he stop? NO...he kept it up, not missing a beat...after I told him REPEATEDLY TO STOP. Just jokin around? No. I think not. You, mr 15 year old, need to grow up. Don't let idiots bother you. It'll just get YOU modded if you let it go too far. No one here knows you... and they just like to pretend they're the know-all omnipotent being here. Just let it go and don't read their mouth farting.[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Schwah"][QUOTE="jointed"]I don't like fat people because they contribute nothing to society and are discustingjm4847
Let's see if we can name some contributing members of society who qualify as fat... President Taft, Peter Jackson, Luciano Pavarotti, Babe Ruth, Biggy Smalls, B.B. King, Winston Churchill, Benjamen Franklin, Orson Wells, and of course Ron Jeremy just to name a very few.
Oh, and I happen to find you disgusting, jointed, and would you look at that? I can even spell it correctly. It's time to crawl out of that shell my little friend. .
I know better than to respond to childish posts like these..--.but here we go
You obviously don't know what I mean when I say that fat people dont contribute to society...
Most "fat" people are not playing a major role in any work force on the globe but they are still using the countries social benefits that should have gone to peopel that need it more....
You try to offend me by pointing out my minor spelling error, but I frankly dont mind this since I can speak 3 other international languages fluently and I'll give up my english anyday if it meant keeping the other 3.
To be honest.....I dont care what you think about me...because after all......you're insignificant
Even if they didn't contribute nothing to society, they're still humans. And you say it like it affects you directly.i dont make fun of them, i just hate them, because they waste my timekyleali11How do they waste your time? I'd really like to hear your answer to that... [QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="eggsiboss"][QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="jm4847"]to make fun of and discriminate them? There are laws (in the US and my country) that condemn racism and discrimination based on sexual preferences. Today it is okay to be gay (as it should be). But I hear and read how some say that fat people are disgusting and they hate them and are a waste of taxpayer's money (that's such a weak argument, some people do pay for their medical insurance). Can't you see that when people say "Fatties make me sick", "They should all be fed to a poor family" and stuff like that are acting like the people that says homosexuality is an abomination? Why can't we be ahead of our times, and stop trying to find reasons to hate or discriminate against others? If someone likes to eat and doesn't care about his/her figure and assumes responsability for whatever happens to him/her, why do you have to demand that person changes his/her life style? Our time here is too short, and if someone doesn't want to mortify himself/herself with diets, healthy food (yuck!), exercise and struggling to get society's ok, I say let them, and respect them.
Everybody's gotta hate somebody.
Its true. Humans are warring, violent, animals, and now that "modern civilization" has kicked-in it is no longer acceptable to express our rage. Why do you think we get in fist fight over girls, or enjoy violent video games, watching boxing, violent movies? Those forms of medium help us express the violence that we can no longer express due to our civilization. Now that it is no longer acceptable to make fun of other races, mentally challenged, religious, or gay people we have to find some one else to make fun of and unfourtunitley it is fat people. Making fun of "someone" or "something" is a form of dominance and as humans we loooooove to be dominant, its in our biology and we can't help it. At some point in your life all of you will discriminate, or worse, inflict violence upon someone (even a sibling) over a situation, but deep down inside it will simply be because of your human biology. Good post, see mine too, we have got a similar level of understanding:) Yes, you make great points. All are very true, including healthy food being delicious. I'm sorry tequilasunriser, but what you say, it can't be acceptable. We are more than animals, because of our intelligence. Maybe even I feel the urge sometimes to be savage (vindictive, abusive, etc), but I know it's wrong, and I don't do it anymore. Mainly because it doesn't feel right. I refuse to believe that we aren't in control of ourselves. The day I do, I might as well die...
If you stuff your face, don't exercise, sit around getting heavier and more pathetic, feel sorry for yourself, but don't do anything about it but expect others to respect you, you're laughable, a clown. There is no reason to respect or coddle people who lack common sense. You consume more calories than you use in a day, you're going to get fat. You don't want to be a pitiful slob and joke, then do something about it. I don't feel any more sympathy for obesity than I do for people who do anything to an excess, whether it's smoking, drinking, drugs, and then expect others to feel sorry for their inability to grow up and learn moderation and self-discipline. bt_the_great_78Moderation and self-discipline is important to you, what if other people don't care about that, and choose to enjoy eating and hate exercise and tofu? Are you going to think less of them just because they don't share your values?
As much as I hate to say it, I honestly don't have any sympathy for people who have eaten their way into obesity. I mean, it is their fault after all. :|luke1889It's not about feeling sorry, it's about accepting obesity as a life style, as valid as any other. dude did you not read my post, was it too long :) tequilasunriser is right and in my opinion you are wrong. Obesity is acceptable as a lifestyle, but those who choose to be obese (because they dont eat healthy and dont get enough exercise) should accept the fact that others will mock them for this descision. In my post I also shed some light on why this is - it isnt because we are primitive or animals it is because this is the way we have evolved- survival of the fittest (or as my science teacher used to put it survival of most well adapted):)
I don't see the difference between hating someone for a choice (that doesn't effect others) or genetics call me crazy and illogical that's the insurance company's fault not theirsDiscrimination against anyone is unwise. However, there's nothing worse than somebody with a treatable medical condition that is unwilling to care for themselves. In all fairness, some people who are obese have untreatable genetic disorders, so they should be left out of any discussion.
Being obese will significantly decrease your life expectancy and whether or not you have medical insurance, you'll become a burden upon everyone as you'll need prolonged medical care costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, which will raise everyone's insurance premiums.
drj077
Weight can be controlled, it just depends on how hard you're willing to work for it.bt_the_great_78
It's this kind of misinformed attitude that I was really objecting to. Well, that and your description of fat people as pathetic, laughable clowns.
I can tell you this right now; weight loss is not as simple as you think for a huge percentage of our overweight population. To claim that weight loss is as simple as burning more than you take in is like saying that all you need to do to quit being an alcoholic is stop drinking, or all you need to do quit smoking is, well, quit smoking. All of those statements are true but there's nothing simple about them.
Just speak with an ex-smoker about quitting cigarettes. The biggest problem isn’t overcoming nicotine addiction. The real problem is how smokers tend to use cigarettes as a crutch for insecure moments, angry moments, moments of escape, moments of relaxation, as a way to complete a meal, something to do after sex, something to hold in their hand, etc. Once those associations form the drive is strong for us to follow through.
I used to work in a clinic packed with cases of overeating among many others. Some people find comfort or escape through overeating, drugs, exercise, alcohol, scholastic and professional accomplishments, etc. The difference between a maladaptive behavior and a positive behavior often comes down to a single choice or aspect of our environment or culture from years gone by. Changing these behaviors once they’re a part of us can be extremely challenging, especially if you’re NOT in a food or calorie limiting environment like the ones you’ve mentioned.
Much the same is true for chronic overeaters. Stressed out? Retreat to food. Angry? Retreat to food. Had a hard day at work? Reward with food. In a great mood? Have more fun with food. These aren’t the conscious thoughts of a man saying, “Aww man, I had a crappy day. No worries, a twinky will make it all better.” But that is that kind of maladaptive thinking that goes on beneath the surface. Worse yet we also know that some foods stimulate the reward centers of the bring more than others and really drive these processes home, and unfortunately, the stimulating foods tend to be the worst ones.
Case example: I worked with a young girl who was very obese. She hated the way she looked and always had. She desperately wanted to be normal – she never said “thin,” or even “normal weight”, just normal. The implied message of course was that she didn’t think of herself as a normal person just because of her weight, despite how well she was doing in school, how many great friends she had, etc. This young lady had tried many diets, and for the most part she would meet with some initial temporary successes before succumbing to her old habits and gaining back all the weight she had lost, sometimes more. In the end I’m happy to say that she succeeded in losing the weight, but only after months of ongoing therapy and support directed not so much at her eating habits as much as identifying and slowly changing the behaviors and stimuli that would lead her to overeat.
Other reasons people might be fat, especially in America, include lack of education in terms of what constitutes healhty eating, bigger portions served in pretty much all of our restaurants and certainly our fast food joints, a huge growth in the amount of crap foods found in our grocery stores, associated advertising, longer work hours, and who knows how many other factors. So let me just end by saying this; like any other major issue in the world things are never as simple as some of the statements you've used to describe the overweight US population. And further compounding a complicated issue with a hefty level of intolerance and cruelty is just plain unacceptable in my book.
[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"] Weight can be controlled, it just depends on how hard you're willing to work for it.Schwah
It's this kind of misinformed attitude that I was really objecting to. Well, that and your description of fat people as pathetic, laughable clowns.
I can tell you this right now; weight loss is not as simple as you think for a huge percentage of our overweight population. To claim that weight loss is as simple as burning more than you take in is like saying that all you need to do to quit being an alcoholic is stop drinking, or all you need to do quit smoking is, well, quit smoking. All of those statements are true but there's nothing simple about them.
Just speak with an ex-smoker about quitting cigarettes. The biggest problem isn’t overcoming nicotine addiction. The real problem is how smokers tend to use cigarettes as a crutch for insecure moments, angry moments, moments of escape, moments of relaxation, as a way to complete a meal, something to do after sex, something to hold in their hand, etc. Once those associations form the drive is strong for us to follow through.
I used to work in a clinic packed with cases of overeating among many others. Some people find comfort or escape through overeating, drugs, exercise, alcohol, scholastic and professional accomplishments, etc. The difference between a maladaptive behavior and a positive behavior often comes down to a single choice or aspect of our environment or culture from years gone by. Changing these behaviors once they’re a part of us can be extremely challenging, especially if you’re NOT in a food or calorie limiting environment like the ones you’ve mentioned.
Much the same is true for chronic overeaters. Stressed out? Retreat to food. Angry? Retreat to food. Had a hard day at work? Reward with food. In a great mood? Have more fun with food. These aren’t the conscious thoughts of a man saying, “Aww man, I had a crappy day. No worries, a twinky will make it all better.” But that is that kind of maladaptive thinking that goes on beneath the surface. Worse yet we also know that some foods stimulate the reward centers of the bring more than others and really drive these processes home, and unfortunately, the stimulating foods tend to be the worst ones.
Case example: I worked with a young girl who was very obese. She hated the way she looked and always had. She desperately wanted to be normal – she never said “thin,” or even “normal weight”, just normal. The implied message of course was that she didn’t think of herself as a normal person just because of her weight, despite how well she was doing in school, how many great friends she had, etc. This young lady had tried many diets, and for the most part she would meet with some initial temporary successes before succumbing to her old habits and gaining back all the weight she had lost, sometimes more. In the end I’m happy to say that she succeeded in losing the weight, but only after months of ongoing therapy and support directed not so much at her eating habits as much as identifying and slowly changing the behaviors and stimuli that would lead her to overeat.
Other reason’s we’re fat, especially in America include lack of education in terms of, bigger portions served in pretty much all of our restaurants and certainly our fast food joints, a huge growth in the amount of crap foods found in our grocery stores, associated advertising, any who knows how many other factors. So let me just end by saying this; like any other major issue in the world things are never as simple as some of the statements you've used to describe the overweight US population. And further compounding a complicated problem with a hefty level of intolerance and cruelty is just plain unacceptable in my book.
QFT. Thats a well thought-out and eloquent post.
[QUOTE="Sajo7"]
Everybodys gotta wuv too!!! :cry:double_decker
Hello Sajo, don't worry I feel the love 8)
i miss your homer... :oops:
Because some people's lives arent complete unless some one is miserable over something they are.
unlike being born a certain race, or sexuality at a certain point being fat is a choice. Nobody really insults slightly overweight people (which is the result of genes) it's always those that have really let themselves go beyond what we could expect a person to be able to reach. It's just like emo kids, they don't have to dress like that, and cry all the time, but they want to, and that's why it's ok to make fun of them.you stole my words :D
If we can't make fun of fat people we can't make fun of anybody.
jrhawk42
Well first of all...unless they cant afford their own health care then they pay for it themselves and not the government (atleast in the US) So its not a waste of anyone's money. And what about other people who are just unhealthy and very sickly? do you have a problem with them too for being that way?
Well first of all...unless they cant afford their own health care then they pay for it themselves and not the government (atleast in the US) So its not a waste of anyone's money. And what about other people who are just unhealthy and very sickly? do you have a problem with them too for being that way?
actually if they're insured.. then everyone pays for it. as insurance companies have to dole out more and more cash to cover the health care costs of its insured clients, they pass the costs to ALL their customers ( not the just unhealthy ones ) in the form of higher rates..
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