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#101 quiglythegreat
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Well I just don't belive banning them will do anything and it hasn't when its been enacted and its not right to take away my rights no matter what it will do. The bottom line is I won't give up my guns ever. Ban them I'll buy illegal ones.

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I fail to see why gun ownership is so important to you.
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#102 dustidoodoo
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These

Wait..... that sounds gross

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#103 peppersfan2
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Well I just don't belive banning them will do anything and it hasn't when its been enacted and its not right to take away my rights no matter what it will do. The bottom line is I won't give up my guns ever. Ban them I'll buy illegal ones.

quiglythegreat

I fail to see why gun ownership is so important to you.

I fail to see why any hobbies is so important to you. Maybe I like shooting and collecting and being able to defend myself without having to put myself at obscene risks? Why is gamespot so anti gun? Most anti gun bias comes from hollwood and the news. Do you have any idea how pissed I was after Vtech? The media bias there made me want to throw up. They talk about his handguns and the store he bought them from and they automaticilly turn the camera to the scariest gun they could find.

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#104 _Marisa_
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[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I don't have one. I think they should be made illegal or atleast have stricter laws on them.GreenmonsterBLS

Making guns illegal is would just be stupid.Bad guyswould get one somehow anyway, and then how would the good guy protect himself?



Your logic fails. There are over 12,000 deaths in America per year from guns alone,way more than any other country. If they protect so much, then why are so many dead, hmmm?
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#105 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

Well I just don't belive banning them will do anything and it hasn't when its been enacted and its not right to take away my rights no matter what it will do. The bottom line is I won't give up my guns ever. Ban them I'll buy illegal ones.

peppersfan2

I fail to see why gun ownership is so important to you.

I fail to see why any hobbies is so important to you. Maybe I like shooting and collecting and being able to defend myself without having to put myself at obscene risks? Why is gamespot so anti gun? Most anti gun bias comes from hollwood and the news. Do you have any idea how pissed I was after Vtech? The media bias there made me want to throw up. They talk about his handguns and the store he bought them from and they automaticilly turn the camera to the scariest gun they could find.

If I thought a hobby of mine was dangerous, I wouldn't defend it. I'm told that owning a gun puts you at greater risk. I just don't understand why people defend gun ownership with such venom. There's nothing fantastically good about owning guns.
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#106 peppersfan2
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Lets see where gun banning will lead

Semi Automatic rifles

-"these have no sporting need and are only good for killing innocent people not defense they have high magazine capacity that nobody has a real need for"

Semi Automatic Pistols

-"Too concealable and dangerous and a cause of street crime"

Revolvers

-"They use dangerous high velocity ammuniton that is a threat to police officers everywhere"

"hunting rifles are okay we belive in the 2nd ammendment we just want to get dangerous guns off the street"

Hunting Rifles And Shotguns

"these sniper rifles are capaple of shooting from large distances and can hold up to 4 shots. Nobody needs that much ammuntion. These so called shotguns are nothing more than streetsweepers that have deadly close range ability making them at threat to large crowds"

Single Shot Rifles And Antique Guns

-"These weapons are capable of killing at large distances. The police are there to protect you you don't need these killing machines"

Airsoft and Fake Weapons

-"these weapons are distrubinglly realistic and can be used in robberies"

Knives

-"Only kitchen knives and multi tools are needed all others are dangerous"

"kitchen knives may only be kept at a certain length and only so many can be owned"

Fists

-"anybody convicted of a fist fight is subject to felony charges for disturbing the peace"

The World

"we don't know where all these criminals keep getting weapons its as if banning something to reduce 5% of crime has left innocent people defenseless. I feel safer knowing that the police protect me."

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#107 quiglythegreat
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Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?
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#108 peppersfan2
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[QUOTE="GreenmonsterBLS"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I don't have one. I think they should be made illegal or atleast have stricter laws on them._Marisa_

Making guns illegal is would just be stupid.Bad guyswould get one somehow anyway, and then how would the good guy protect himself?



Your logic fails. There are over 12,000 deaths in America per year from guns alone,way more than any other country. If they protect so much, then why are so many dead, hmmm?

Well maybe because the police can't do **** and because poverty creates violence. Most gun owners are good people so why should they suffer because illegal guns fell into the wrong hands? In Switzeland ( I know I spelled that wrong) they have the lowest gun crime and they have freaken machine guns!

How does his logic fail? We need guns to protect us from all the crazies. How is making guns illegal for people to buy going to make guns being used illegally go away? I could make a zip gun out of stuff from home depo. All it does is disarm people that wouldn't break the law anyway.

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#109 _Marisa_
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[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="GreenmonsterBLS"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I don't have one. I think they should be made illegal or atleast have stricter laws on them.peppersfan2

Making guns illegal is would just be stupid.Bad guyswould get one somehow anyway, and then how would the good guy protect himself?



Your logic fails. There are over 12,000 deaths in America per year from guns alone,way more than any other country. If they protect so much, then why are so many dead, hmmm?

Well maybe because the police can't do **** and because poverty creates violence. Most gun owners are good people so why should they suffer because illegal guns fell into the wrong hands? In Switzeland ( I know I spelled that wrong) they have the lowest gun crime and they have freaken machine guns!

How does his logic fail? We need guns to protect us from all the crazies. How is making guns illegal for people to buy going to make guns being used illegally go away? I could make a zip gun out of stuff from home depo. All it does is disarm people that wouldn't break the law anyway.



That's exactly how the government wants America, scared and paranoid..hiding behind their doors with guns loaded.We could easily live in asociety with less guns. People are just so use to the thought of guns that they can't comprehend it. Guns are made for killing, end ofstory.
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#110 Lemon-Demon35
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Real life - AK

Un real - Gravity gun.

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#111 peppersfan2
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Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?quiglythegreat

Well besides shooting hostile people that mean harm to you and your family and hunting there istarget shooting compettion and relaxation plus zombies their not alive so it doesn't matter. The majority of all legal gun owners have never used their firearm in anger.

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#112 _Marisa_
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?peppersfan2

Well besides shooting hostile people that mean harm to you and your family and hunting there istarget shooting compettion and relaxation plus zombies their not alive so it doesn't matter. The majority of all legal gun owners have never used their firearm in anger.



Lol, where do you get your statistics? Are you just guessing?
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#113 peppersfan2
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[QUOTE="peppersfan2"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="GreenmonsterBLS"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]I don't have one. I think they should be made illegal or atleast have stricter laws on them._Marisa_

Making guns illegal is would just be stupid.Bad guyswould get one somehow anyway, and then how would the good guy protect himself?



Your logic fails. There are over 12,000 deaths in America per year from guns alone,way more than any other country. If they protect so much, then why are so many dead, hmmm?

Well maybe because the police can't do **** and because poverty creates violence. Most gun owners are good people so why should they suffer because illegal guns fell into the wrong hands? In Switzeland ( I know I spelled that wrong) they have the lowest gun crime and they have freaken machine guns!

How does his logic fail? We need guns to protect us from all the crazies. How is making guns illegal for people to buy going to make guns being used illegally go away? I could make a zip gun out of stuff from home depo. All it does is disarm people that wouldn't break the law anyway.



That's exactly how the government wants America, scared and paranoid..hiding behind their doors with guns loaded.We could easily live in asociety with less guns. People are just so use to the thought of guns that they can't comprehend it. Guns are made for killing, end ofstory.

Study statistics instead of flawed statistics that were loaded to get reactions from the populace. In reality the government wants the population scared paranoid and unarmed. I can show you alot of evidence to the contrary if your willing. If there just for killing in a negative way then why do the police have them? Because they are an effective way to protect.

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#114 peppersfan2
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?_Marisa_

Well besides shooting hostile people that mean harm to you and your family and hunting there istarget shooting compettion and relaxation plus zombies their not alive so it doesn't matter. The majority of all legal gun owners have never used their firearm in anger.



Lol, where do you get your statistics? Are you just guessing?

Give me a minute I'll have to find them.

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#115 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?peppersfan2

Well besides shooting hostile people that mean harm to you and your family and hunting there istarget shooting compettion and relaxation plus zombies their not alive so it doesn't matter. The majority of all legal gun owners have never used their firearm in anger.

Ok, but harming any living thing in any circumstance is wrong, be it self-defense or not. And principally, that's what guns are for. You buy firearms merely to go to the range on weekends?
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#116 Mumbles527
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[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?quiglythegreat

Well besides shooting hostile people that mean harm to you and your family and hunting there istarget shooting compettion and relaxation plus zombies their not alive so it doesn't matter. The majority of all legal gun owners have never used their firearm in anger.

Ok, but harming any living thing in any circumstance is wrong, be it self-defense or not. And principally, that's what guns are for. You buy firearms merely to go to the range on weekends?

Tons of people buy firearms merely to go to the range on weekends. And how is self-defense wrong? If someone was about to shoot you, you'd rather stand there and take it than have the chance to shoot back?
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#117 peppersfan2
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[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?quiglythegreat

Well besides shooting hostile people that mean harm to you and your family and hunting there istarget shooting compettion and relaxation plus zombies their not alive so it doesn't matter. The majority of all legal gun owners have never used their firearm in anger.

Ok, but harming any living thing in any circumstance is wrong, be it self-defense or not. And principally, that's what guns are for. You buy firearms merely to go to the range on weekends?

Yes and in the case the Sh** hits the fan.

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#118 _Marisa_
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?peppersfan2

Well besides shooting hostile people that mean harm to you and your family and hunting there istarget shooting compettion and relaxation plus zombies their not alive so it doesn't matter. The majority of all legal gun owners have never used their firearm in anger.

Ok, but harming any living thing in any circumstance is wrong, be it self-defense or not. And principally, that's what guns are for. You buy firearms merely to go to the range on weekends?

Yes and in the case the Sh** hits the fan.




Also, if you don't remember, I said they should either outlaw or MAKE STRICTER LAWS on guns.

Meaning, that not just any 18 year old can go and buy a firearm (Consider all the school shootings) I think they should do background checks and tests to check mental stability and how easily the person can be angered. I don't think they should be so easily handed out, that's for sure.


Although, I do disagree with quiglythegreat, there's nothing wrong with defending yourself and your loved ones. I bet anything he wouldn't be saying that if someone were about to kill his loved one in front of his very eyes.

I can't say that I wouldn't want a gun by my side if someone were about to cause harm to my fiance, because then I'd be lieing. I think any resonable human being would want that kind of protection against insane people trying to rape or even kill their family members.
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#119 peppersfan2
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New Jersey adopted what sponsors described as "the most stringent gun law" in the nation in 1966; two years later, the murder rate was up 46% and the reported robbery rate had nearly doubled.

In 1976, Washington, D.C., enacted one of the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation. Since then, the city's murder rate has risen 134% while the national murder rate has dropped 2%.

In 1968, Hawaii imposed a series of increasingly harsh measures, and its murder rate tripled from a low of 2.4 per 100,000 in 1968 to 7.2 by 1977.

Among the 15 states with the highest homicide rates, 10 have restrictive or very restrictive gun laws.

Twenty percent of U.S. homicides occur in four cities with just 6% of the population-New York, Chicago, Detroit and Washington, D.C.-and each has (or, in the case of Detroit, had until 2001) a virtual prohibition on private handguns.

UK banned private ownership of most handguns in 1997, previously held by an estimated 57,000 people-0.1% of the population. Since 1998, the number of people injured by firearms in England and Wales has more than doubled, despite a massive increase in the number of police personnel. In 2005-06, of 5,001 such injuries, 3,474 (69%) were defined as "slight," and a further 965 (19%) involved the "firearm" being used as a blunt instrument. Twenty-four percent of injuries were caused with air weapons, and 32% with "imitation firearms" (including BB guns and soft air weapons). Since 1998, the number of fatal shootings has varied between 49 and 97, and was 50 in 2005.

Check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban

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#120 peppersfan2
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[QUOTE="peppersfan2"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?_Marisa_

Well besides shooting hostile people that mean harm to you and your family and hunting there istarget shooting compettion and relaxation plus zombies their not alive so it doesn't matter. The majority of all legal gun owners have never used their firearm in anger.

Ok, but harming any living thing in any circumstance is wrong, be it self-defense or not. And principally, that's what guns are for. You buy firearms merely to go to the range on weekends?

Yes and in the case the Sh** hits the fan.




Also, if you don't remember, I said they should either outlaw or MAKE STRICTER LAWS on guns.

Meaning, that not just any 18 year old can go and buy a firearm (Consider all the school shootings) I think they should do background checks and tests to check mental stability and how easily the person can be angered. I don't think they should be so easily handed out, that's for sure.


Although, I do disagree with quiglythegreat, there's nothing wrong with defending yourself and your loved ones. I bet anything he wouldn't be saying that if someone were about to kill his loved one in front of his very eyes.

I can't say that I wouldn't want a gun by my side if someone were about to cause harm to my fiance, because then I'd be lieing. I think any resonable human being would want that kind of protection against insane people trying to rape or even kill their family members.

Before Columbine ever happened the shooters violated enough gun laws to put them away for life.

They had their friend Robin buy them and then they modified them. School shootings account for such a low amount of gun crime its not worth using as an example. Unless you like knee jerk reactions based on emotion and not fact. They themselves while pondering what would happen after they killed everyone said that they would probably make more gun laws and that it wouldn't do anything. If you want me to find the quote I will.

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#121 _Marisa_
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[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?peppersfan2

Well besides shooting hostile people that mean harm to you and your family and hunting there istarget shooting compettion and relaxation plus zombies their not alive so it doesn't matter. The majority of all legal gun owners have never used their firearm in anger.

Ok, but harming any living thing in any circumstance is wrong, be it self-defense or not. And principally, that's what guns are for. You buy firearms merely to go to the range on weekends?

Yes and in the case the Sh** hits the fan.




Also, if you don't remember, I said they should either outlaw or MAKE STRICTER LAWS on guns.

Meaning, that not just any 18 year old can go and buy a firearm (Consider all the school shootings) I think they should do background checks and tests to check mental stability and how easily the person can be angered. I don't think they should be so easily handed out, that's for sure.


Although, I do disagree with quiglythegreat, there's nothing wrong with defending yourself and your loved ones. I bet anything he wouldn't be saying that if someone were about to kill his loved one in front of his very eyes.

I can't say that I wouldn't want a gun by my side if someone were about to cause harm to my fiance, because then I'd be lieing. I think any resonable human being would want that kind of protection against insane people trying to rape or even kill their family members.

Before Columbine ever happened the shooters violated enough gunlaws to put them away for life.

They had their friend Robin buy them and then they modified them.



Regardless, they still should make stricter laws on owning guns, it's dangerous to have them so easily accessible. Perhaps even lie detector tests with questions such as "Do you intend to harm yourself or any other human being with the gun you are about to purchase?" or "Are you purchasing this gun for someone else?"
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#122 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?Mumbles527

Well besides shooting hostile people that mean harm to you and your family and hunting there istarget shooting compettion and relaxation plus zombies their not alive so it doesn't matter. The majority of all legal gun owners have never used their firearm in anger.

Ok, but harming any living thing in any circumstance is wrong, be it self-defense or not. And principally, that's what guns are for. You buy firearms merely to go to the range on weekends?

Tons of people buy firearms merely to go to the range on weekends.

Then never allow the firearms to leave the range.

And how is self-defense wrong? If someone was about to shoot you, you'd rather stand there and take it than have the chance to shoot back?

Yeah, that's right, I would. It's my life to give. My attacker's life is not mine, therefore, I may not take it.

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My states gun laws suck we have the worst restrictions and its done nothing for crime.

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[QUOTE="peppersfan2"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Well, what are guns good for other than shootings living things with?_Marisa_

Well besides shooting hostile people that mean harm to you and your family and hunting there istarget shooting compettion and relaxation plus zombies their not alive so it doesn't matter. The majority of all legal gun owners have never used their firearm in anger.

Ok, but harming any living thing in any circumstance is wrong, be it self-defense or not. And principally, that's what guns are for. You buy firearms merely to go to the range on weekends?

Yes and in the case the Sh** hits the fan.




Also, if you don't remember, I said they should either outlaw or MAKE STRICTER LAWS on guns.

Meaning, that not just any 18 year old can go and buy a firearm (Consider all the school shootings) I think they should do background checks and tests to check mental stability and how easily the person can be angered. I don't think they should be so easily handed out, that's for sure.


Although, I do disagree with quiglythegreat, there's nothing wrong with defending yourself and your loved ones. I bet anything he wouldn't be saying that if someone were about to kill his loved one in front of his very eyes.

I can't say that I wouldn't want a gun by my side if someone were about to cause harm to my fiance, because then I'd be lieing. I think any resonable human being would want that kind of protection against insane people trying to rape or even kill their family members.

Before Columbine ever happened the shooters violated enough gunlaws to put them away for life.

They had their friend Robin buy them and then they modified them.



Regardless, they still should make stricter laws on owning guns, it's dangerous to have them so easily accessible. Perhaps even lie detector tests with questions such as "Do you intend to harm yourself or any other human being with the gun you are about to purchase?" or "Are you purchasing this gun for someone else?"

Just don't allow any felons or people with mental instability or those convicted of domestic abuse even misdomener charges have a gun. I think their should be a quick survey like you said. They do all that except for the survey.

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#125 _Marisa_
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My states gun laws suck we have the worst restrictions and its done nothing for crime.

peppersfan2


Well, obviously you want to believe guns should be handed out like candy. So, I'm done with this redundant conversation.
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#126 peppersfan2
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[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

My states gun laws suck we have the worst restrictions and its done nothing for crime.

_Marisa_



Well, obviously you want to believe guns should be handed out likecandy. So, I'm done with this redundant conversation.

No I don't they should be handed out like candy they should have background checks. I meant they ban certain weapons based on arbitrary features like a pistol grip. They should have to get a license like a car and take a safety course.

You don't know what my states laws are. I just don't think they should be banned or restricted based on cosmetic features by politcians who don't even know what their banning I never said let everyone have a gun. Some people like convicts or mentally unstable people should never be around one.

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#127 FlaminDeath
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im no expert but my brother has an ok sized collection and ive gone shooting with him and by far id have to say the ak-47

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#128 mealex
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To all the people that said M1911, I wonder if youve ever shot one? Because my dad has one and in my experience, it tends to be very unreliabe and you often can't get through a clip without a jam.GreenmonsterBLS

Tell your dad to clean his gun. That's the best handgun I've ever fired in my life. And I've fired some fairly high dollar handguns.

Also for mine mine is the 1911 for handguns and the AK-47 or G3 for rifles.

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#129 mealex
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[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

My states gun laws suck we have the worst restrictions and its done nothing for crime.

_Marisa_



Well, obviously you want to believe guns should be handed out like candy. So, I'm done with this redundant conversation.

You're someone who obviously doesn't know much about firearms, or the fact that states with concealed carry laws HAVE LESS CRIME GENERALLY. Guns don't kill people people do. Accept that fact an dhold it against the person not the weapon. We've been killing eachother since time began before guns before even spears and swords, we can do it with out bare hands if need be banning the weapon will only give it to criminals not people who want them for self defense a collection or a hobby and crime will go up because criminals willl no citizens have virtually no way of defending themselves.

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This was to tell your favorite firearm, not argue about them! :P
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#131 jus2nyce
Member since 2005 • 1574 Posts

Mandalorian Heavy Pistol

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