Fear of anti-gun legislation makes gun sales go through the roof in Colorado

That's why cops exist, to protect and serve. Civilians don't need guns, we're not at war.

You Americans are insane. It's scary. Looks like I should be glad to be living in Europe where I actually feel safe.

That's why cops exist, to protect and serve. Civilians don't need guns, we're not at war.

You Americans are insane. It's scary. Looks like I should be glad to be living in Europe where I actually feel safe.

GamerwillzPS

That's why cops exist, to protect and serve. Civilians don't need guns, we're not at war.

You Americans are insane. It's scary. Looks like I should be glad to be living in Europe where I actually feel safe.

GamerwillzPS

But what happens when he gets drunk and decides to pull out his gun? DrTrafalgarLaw

What happens when he gets drunk and decides to drive? Oh noes, better take away that car, too!:o

Were all of those guns illegal since they began their existence? How many of those guns were bought legally at one time then became illegal, and resold/stolen?Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]But what happens when he gets drunk and decides to pull out his gun? br0kenrabbit

What happens when he gets drunk and decides to drive? Oh noes, better take away that car, too!:o

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]But what happens when he gets drunk and decides to pull out his gun? br0kenrabbit

What happens when he gets drunk and decides to drive? Oh noes, better take away that car, too!:o

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]But what happens when he gets drunk and decides to pull out his gun? DrTrafalgarLaw

What happens when he gets drunk and decides to drive? Oh noes, better take away that car, too!:o

We tried that. Epic fail.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]But what happens when he gets drunk and decides to pull out his gun? TheWalkingGhost

What happens when he gets drunk and decides to drive? Oh noes, better take away that car, too!:o

What happens when he gets drunk and decides to beat his mother with a TV? Better ban television! TheWalkingGhost

Ban TV? Good idea. It makes people lazy and fat, not to mention stupid and pacified.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

What happens when he gets drunk and decides to drive? Oh noes, better take away that car, too!:o

br0kenrabbit

We tried that. Epic fail.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

What happens when he gets drunk and decides to drive? Oh noes, better take away that car, too!:o

br0kenrabbit

We tried that. Epic fail.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]What happens when he gets drunk and decides to beat his mother with a TV? Better ban television! br0kenrabbit

Ban TV? Good idea. It makes people lazy and fat, not to mention stupid and pacified.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] In that case, take away the booze & li uor.TheWalkingGhost

We tried that. Epic fail.

That's why cops exist, to protect and serve. Civilians don't need guns, we're not at war.

You Americans are insane. It's scary. Looks like I should be glad to be living in Europe where I actually feel safe.

GamerwillzPS

We really need to get you uptight Europeans over hear to a shooting range with a few pistols, shotguns and rifles. Lets see how anti gun you guys are after exploding some tannerite targets.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

Heres another source, JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

Wake up people!!

Inconsistancy

Were all of those guns illegal since they began their existence? How many of those guns were bought legally at one time then became illegal, and resold/stolen?

Also, in that article: Obtained from friends or family 39.6%, how much of those were legally, or illegally, obtained?

And:Obtained on the street/illegal source 39.2%, this contradicts your previous statement of 80%, by a bit.

Claiming to source the Justice Department, and not having a link to the reference, or at least the name of the specific article referenced... @Justice.gov, not finding the specific values that I type in...

I'm pretty sure Im not allowed to sell my friends or family guns.

It seems like everyone is arguing about personal defense against criminals (a valid, but secondary concern). The reason America specifically amended the right to effective and lethal weapons was to ward off tyranny from the government. Why does no one think that is a concern any more, especially after having seen personal liberty compromised and limited extensively over the last hundred years in nearly every western nation?

It seems like everyone is arguing about personal defense against criminals (a valid, but secondary concern). The reason America specifically amended the right to effective and lethal weapons was to ward off tyranny from the government. Why does no one think that is a concern any more, especially after having seen personal liberty compromised and limited extensively over the last hundred years in nearly every western nation?

GIJames248

[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

It seems like everyone is arguing about personal defense against criminals (a valid, but secondary concern). The reason America specifically amended the right to effective and lethal weapons was to ward off tyranny from the government. Why does no one think that is a concern any more, especially after having seen personal liberty compromised and limited extensively over the last hundred years in nearly every western nation?

Person0

Do you really believe that our soldiers would follow an order to kill their fellow Americans?

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="GIJames248"]

It seems like everyone is arguing about personal defense against criminals (a valid, but secondary concern). The reason America specifically amended the right to effective and lethal weapons was to ward off tyranny from the government. Why does no one think that is a concern any more, especially after having seen personal liberty compromised and limited extensively over the last hundred years in nearly every western nation?

Ingenemployee

Do you really believe that our soldiers would follow an order to kill their fellow Americans?

I'm pretty sure Im not allowed to sell my friends or family guns.

AdamPA1006

Yes, you can. That's one way to legally get around background checks. You just have to write them a bill of sale.

However, you can be charged if you know they're not legally allowed to have a gun (such as a felon). Also, they have to reside in the same state as you and the sale must take place in that state.

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

What's the point of this thread? So we're going to see similar shootings?

The lenient gun laws enabled this guy to commit his murders in the first place.

TheWalkingGhost

Apparently, stricter gun regulation isn't the answer, but banning costumes in theatres is.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

That's why cops exist, to protect and serve. Civilians don't need guns, we're not at war.

You Americans are insane. It's scary. Looks like I should be glad to be living in Europe where I actually feel safe.

Mafiree

Norway: .68 intentional homicide 44%(~.3) are gun-related

US: 4.8 intentional homicide 85%(~4.1) are gun-related

It doesn't eliminate homicide, it 'reduces'.

One tragedy isn't likely to make the bulk of homicides in a year(at least in the us), even on 9/11 ~3000 deaths, still 10 times less than the overall homicides that year.

I'm pretty sure Im not allowed to sell my friends or family guns.

AdamPA1006

That's why cops exist, to protect and serve. Civilians don't need guns, we're not at war.

You Americans are insane. It's scary. Looks like I should be glad to be living in Europe where I actually feel safe.

GamerwillzPS

I dont get it where are the news stories aobut body armor sales surging. All these people buying guns, seem to belive they will manage to shoot first.

That's why cops exist, to protect and serve. Civilians don't need guns, we're not at war.

You Americans are insane. It's scary. Looks like I should be glad to be living in Europe where I actually feel safe.

GamerwillzPS

Who said we need guns for war? :?

There are who need it for legitimate reasons such as protection, hunting, or even collecting so don't judge the majority of Americans because of several nutjobs.

Also, you can't always rely on the police to arrive when something needs an immediate response, especially in bad neighborhoods (though you still have to call the cops).

I don't know where you live but some of the European countries do have a high crime rate even when guns aren't factored in.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="joel_c17"] NRA spokesperson has arrived. I don't know when Americans will ever learn - this is becoming the definition of idiocy joel_c17

They are morons, gun rights are not going any where.. I love how Obama is constantly believed that he could ban guns if he could, even though he passed a milestone 2nd amendment bill that allowed concealed weapons on national parks.. And a liberal slanted court struck down New York City's handgun ban.. By Obama's track record, he is more pro gun than Bush Jr was.. sSubZerOo

And if he is reelected (god I hope not), he'll reverse his gun stance more than likely.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]They are morons, gun rights are not going any where.. I love how Obama is constantly believed that he could ban guns if he could, even though he passed a milestone 2nd amendment bill that allowed concealed weapons on national parks.. And a liberal slanted court struck down New York City's handgun ban.. By Obama's track record, he is more pro gun than Bush Jr was.. topsemag55

And if he is reelected (god I hope not), he'll reverse his gun stance more than likely.

Yes just like the Republicans said right before he was elected the FIRST TIME with things like this, but alas it did not happen.. Get your head out of your ass.. This isn't suggesting Obama is amazign or other such things, but people need to start basing their dumbass views off FACTS.. FACT Obama is more pro 2nd Amendment than Bush Jr was based upon track record!

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]They are morons, gun rights are not going any where.. I love how Obama is constantly believed that he could ban guns if he could, even though he passed a milestone 2nd amendment bill that allowed concealed weapons on national parks.. And a liberal slanted court struck down New York City's handgun ban.. By Obama's track record, he is more pro gun than Bush Jr was.. topsemag55

And if he is reelected (god I hope not), he'll reverse his gun stance more than likely.

He most likely will get reelected. Even with a struggling economy, he remains a slight favorite.

I think this election would be a slam dunk for Republicans if they weren't saddled with such a weak problematic candidate.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]They are morons, gun rights are not going any where.. I love how Obama is constantly believed that he could ban guns if he could, even though he passed a milestone 2nd amendment bill that allowed concealed weapons on national parks.. And a liberal slanted court struck down New York City's handgun ban.. By Obama's track record, he is more pro gun than Bush Jr was.. thegerg

And if he is reelected (god I hope not), he'll reverse his gun stance more than likely.

I'd like to know that as well.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]You know nothing about me or how I was trained you also know nothing about muzzel flash or what a crack or pop means. You also know nothing about the diffrent types of body armour and how to defeat them. You also seem to think BA with out plates makes a person invincible. You don't know what weapons are on my hip and ankle and what physical shape I am in. If you want to think I am a fat hick that is scared of his own shadow knock yourself out. As for making sure gun owners have cheap training and are not section 8's I am all for that.

noscope-ak47

Apparently the solution is more guns.

Still a little confused as to why assault rifles are legal? Fair enough if you want a gun to protect yourself but I really cannot see how a regular pistol wouldn't suffice for dealing with your common burglar/robber...

Ok because there is a nutso who shot up a theater than everyone else must suffer? I don't get that logic. Also the bottom line is, regardless if this guy had a license to carry or not he still would have done something in that theater whether is was the same approach or not. People who have guns and kill people purposely are the ones that don't have licenses and are carrying illegally to begin with. I don't understand the logic that if you make it harder for someone to get a gun that somehow that is going to prevent them from purchasing one from somebody. Comepletely ignorant.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

Do you honestly think that criminals get their guns legally?? Find any source you want, a very high percentage of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally.

Criminals do not care about gun laws.

thegerg

irony

I'm glad that people are reacting this way. This should send a message to the idiots trying to use this shooting as an excuse to take away our 2nd Amendment rights.

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]*sigh* This thread is a moron magnet. You're source was from 1997, try to find a more recent one.TheWalkingGhost

irony

To be fair, that's not a minor error, and tho thegerg doesn't have an unfortunate habit of being obsessed with other people's grammar, if you're going to call other people morons, you'd better make sure that your grammar checks out.

Maybe people just like to hunt and target shoot as Obama suggests? http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/26/obama-still-thinks-the-second-amendment

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="thegerg"]

irony

GreySeal9

To be fair, that's not a minor error, and tho thegerg doesn't have an unfortunate habit of being obsessed with other people's grammar, if you're going to call other people morons, you'd better make sure that your grammar checks out.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] Discredit an entire valid comment over one minorgrammar error, that was done because I was typing too fast. Gotta love grammar nazis. :roll: TheWalkingGhost

To be fair, that's not a minor error, and tho thegerg doesn't have an unfortunate habit of being obsessed with other people's grammar, if you're going to call other people morons, you'd better make sure that your grammar checks out.

Don't worry. I still love you no matter how many grammar slip ups you make.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

To be fair, that's not a minor error, and tho thegerg doesn't have an unfortunate habit of being obsessed with other people's grammar, if you're going to call other people morons, you'd better make sure that your grammar checks out.

GreySeal9

Don't worry. I still love you no matter how many grammar slip ups you make.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] Discredit an entire valid comment over one minorgrammar error, that was done because I was typing too fast. Gotta love grammar nazis. :roll: TheWalkingGhost

To be fair, that's not a minor error, and tho thegerg doesn't have an unfortunate habit of being obsessed with other people's grammar, if you're going to call other people morons, you'd better make sure that your grammar checks out.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] Well pardon me Adolf. I'll make sure to write 5 drafts next time to avoid a minor slip I don't normally make, don't want your opinion of me to suffer. :roll: TheWalkingGhost

Don't worry. I still love you no matter how many grammar slip ups you make.

I also still love you despite those eyerolls you're giving me. I know it's just a rebellious phase.