Federal Judge in Florida rules healthcare law unconstitutional

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110131/ts_yblog_theticket/judge-declares-obamas-health-care-law-unconstitutional

A federal judge in Florida has ruled President Obama's health care legislation is unconstitutional.U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson sided with a lawsuit filed by 26 states that claims the law violates people's rights by forcing them to buy health insurance.

So, it looks like all the GOP appointed judges ruled it unconstitutional and all the Democratic appointed judges ruled it the other way.

Calling it:

Supreme Court rules it constitutional by 5-4 vote

Thank God I live in a country with free healthcare.DreamnDayUnite

So, it looks like all the GOP appointed judges ruled it unconstitutional and all the Democratic appointed judges ruled it the other way.

DroidPhysX

Sooooo depressing. :(

They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? l4dak47

Thank God I live in a country with free healthcare.DreamnDayUnite

Any who, I really wish judges would base their rulings on the Constitution and not their political views.

[QUOTE="DreamnDayUnite"]Thank God I live in a country with free healthcare.AutoPilotOn

They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? l4dak47

They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? l4dak47

Have to agree. Forcing people to buy health care is completely stupid. From my understanding and please correct me if so... wasn't this put in by the dems to please the Republicans so they can pass the bill?darkfox101

No, it was put in to make the other changes, such as making it illegal to not cover someone due to pre-existing conditions, not bankrupt insurance companies. Republicans opposed it because they could cynically score political points in doing so. :P

Why make a law or bill that won't pass and fragments society even more? Only in America do you hear "I feel your pain" and it is from a knife in the back. Happens everyday, I wish I had a dollar for everytime someone said they loved me and later stabbed me in the back.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

So, it looks like all the GOP appointed judges ruled it unconstitutional and all the Democratic appointed judges ruled it the other way.

GabuEx

Sooooo depressing. :(

[QUOTE="DreamnDayUnite"]Thank God I live in a country with free healthcare.limpbizkit818

Glad I live in the UK with the good ol' NHS.

Thank God I live in a country with public healthcare. I happily pay the 1.5% Medicare levy that most people pay to fund it. It costs me $375 a year and it gives me more guarantees than any private health insurance could

They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? l4dak47

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? AutoPilotOn

Thank God I live in a country with public healthcare. I happily pay the 1.5% Medicare levy that most people pay to fund it. It costs me $375 a year and it gives me more guarantees than any private health insurance could

daqua_99

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

Thank God I live in a country with public healthcare. I happily pay the 1.5% Medicare levy that most people pay to fund it. It costs me $375 a year and it gives me more guarantees than any private health insurance could

surrealnumber5

So when people are forced to have car insurance, nobody cares.

When people are forced to have health insurance, protests and constitutionality is questioned.

This country is funny sometimes.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? BreakTheseLinks

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="l4dak47"]They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? DarkGamer007

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

Thank God I live in a country with public healthcare. I happily pay the 1.5% Medicare levy that most people pay to fund it. It costs me $375 a year and it gives me more guarantees than any private health insurance could

surrealnumber5

So what do you guys get for that 2.9%?

They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? l4dak47

I think I've discussed this analogy too many times to count. It's fundamentally broken on various different levels. Here are the bullet points:

1. There are differing legal circumstances with respect to these cases. The Federal Government via the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act mandates that people purchase health insurance. State governments individually mandate that drivers purchase car insurance. The Federal Government legally derives its power to regulate interstate commerce through the commerce clause in the constitution, and is also to some degree limited by it. State governments are not bounded by the commerce clause in that respect.

2. One is not legally required to purchase car insurance by mere virtue of existence, unlike the health care bill.

3. People do not own the roads they drive on. In order to use them, they agree to abide by certain rules, similarly to a ToU. People may not run red lights, are required to have a license and are also to have insurance. One voluntarily agrees to these in order to drive on roads which do not belong exclusively to you. There isn't a parallel to this with respect to health care.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="daqua_99"]

Thank God I live in a country with public healthcare. I happily pay the 1.5% Medicare levy that most people pay to fund it. It costs me $375 a year and it gives me more guarantees than any private health insurance could

daqua_99

So what do you guys get for that 2.9%?

So when people are forced to have car insurance, nobody cares.

When people are forced to have health insurance, protests and constitutionality is questioned.

This country is funny sometimes.

They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? l4dak47

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

So when people are forced to have car insurance, nobody cares.

When people are forced to have health insurance, protests and constitutionality is questioned.

This country is funny sometimes.

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[QUOTE="BreakTheseLinks"][QUOTE="l4dak47"]They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? coolbeans90

I think I've discussed this analogy too many times to count. It's fundamentally broken on various different levels. Here are the bullet points:

1. There are differing legal circumstances with respect to these cases. The Federal Government via the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act mandates that people purchase health insurance. State governments individually mandate that drivers purchase car insurance. The Federal Government legally derives its power to regulate interstate commerce through the commerce clause in the constitution, and is also to some degree limited by it. State governments are not bounded by the commerce clause in that respect.

2. One is not legally required to purchase car insurance by mere virtue of existence, unlike the health care bill.

3. People do not own the roads they drive on. In order to use them, they agree to abide by certain rules, similarly to a ToU. People may not run red lights, are required to have a license and are also to have insurance. One voluntarily agrees to these in order to drive on roads which do not belong exclusively to you. There isn't a parallel to this with respect to health care.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

So when people are forced to have car insurance, nobody cares.

When people are forced to have health insurance, protests and constitutionality is questioned.

This country is funny sometimes.

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World Health Organization's 2010 rank

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]They say it's wrong to force people to pay health insurance, but what of car insurance? Unless there's a distinct difference I'm not aware of? coolbeans90

I think I've discussed this analogy too many times to count. It's fundamentally broken on various different levels. Here are the bullet points:

1. There are differing legal circumstances with respect to these cases. The Federal Government via the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act mandates that people purchase health insurance. State governments individually mandate that drivers purchase car insurance. The Federal Government legally derives its power to regulate interstate commerce through the commerce clause in the constitution, and is also to some degree limited by it. State governments are not bounded by the commerce clause in that respect.

2. One is not legally required to purchase car insurance by mere virtue of existence, unlike the health care bill.

3. People do not own the roads they drive on. In order to use them, they agree to abide by certain rules, similarly to a ToU. People may not run red lights, are required to have a license and are also to have insurance. One voluntarily agrees to these in order to drive on roads which do not belong exclusively to you. There isn't a parallel to this with respect to health care.

World Health Organization's 2010 rank

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei

brendanhunt1

Socialist healthcare is badddd!!!!111!!!:|

Good grief, how do people believe that.

And i knew it was 37th:P

[QUOTE="brendanhunt1"]

World Health Organization's 2010 rank

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei

DroidPhysX

Socialist healthcare is badddd!!!!111!!!:|

Good grief, how do people believe that.

And i knew it was 37th:P

[QUOTE="brendanhunt1"]

World Health Organization's 2010 rank

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei

DroidPhysX

Socialist healthcare is badddd!!!!111!!!:|

Good grief, how do people believe that.

And i knew it was 37th:P

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] you dont need to drive and as far as i know the need for car insurance is decided by the state not the fedsurrealnumber5

That is not an acceptable counter, my family cannot just move into a different area that easily, that would require me to transfer schools, one of my parents their jobs, we would first have to sell our house, purchase another that would likely be more expensive, and we would have to get rid of our pets. To add to this if the solution was to just move, space in the cities would become more limited and cramped and leave the suburbs empty and people like farmers could not just move to the city. Unless we get bus routes out in the suburbs, at which point the bus company would have to pay for insurance making the point moot, driving is required if you live in the suburbs.

[QUOTE="DreamnDayUnite"]Thank God I live in a country with free healthcare.limpbizkit818

Any who, I really wish judges would base their rulings on the Constitution and not their political views.

By "free" they mean free at the point of delivery.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="brendanhunt1"]

World Health Organization's 2010 rank

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei

surrealnumber5

Socialist healthcare is badddd!!!!111!!!:|

Good grief, how do people believe that.

And i knew it was 37th:P

As it should be in a field where peoples health and lives are on the line..