Fench senate is A OK with banning burqas. Not cool.....

the fench? :o

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i used to be opposed to this, but frankly I am for equality before religious freedom.

If I were wearing a hockey mask out in public, chances are I would be asked to remove it for any variety of reasons.

Likewise, a person hiding their face for whatever reason, should not be allowed to do so.

mrbojangles25

I used to be opposed to this too, but I didn't change particularly for your reason:

1.) First of all, it's a cultural thing, not religious. The burqa has nothing to do with religion.

2.) They can still wear a headscarf, which is fine.

3.) Like you pointed out, walking around covering your face could be a safety problem. I don't know if that's why France is doing it, and I honestly don't really care. People still have religious freedom, especially since this has nothing to do with religious freedom.

I did not know that; I thought it was fundamentalist religion (i.e. a strict spinoff) of their faith that "forced" them to wear burqas; technically the Quran says you dont have to cover your face (right?), but I thought some extremists said they did.

And yea, headscarf is fine. As Ive said before, my teacher back in college was from Iran and she could wear jeans and a blouse or whatever in the big city, but the second she was out in the country it was a conservative garb of some kind and a headscarf.

Not exactly fundamentalist, it's just valued as very important in the more conservative areas of the middle east. Besides culture, it has nothing to do with religion, but people affiliate it with religion.

I dont know if you guys know but a new law set to be integrated in spring 2011 is that women cant wear burqas or nijabs. Thats kinda messed IMO. Theyre not doing any harm wearing it. This is most heinous.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/14/france.burqa.ban/index.htm

What do you think about this?

Capitan_Kid

here in australia, at a pool in my area people if using the pool must cover up(their torsos) as to not offend the muslims, if this type of thing is allowed to happen here then i cant say i feel any sympathy for those in france

Banning Burqas creates more of a security threat than it prevents.

Banning Burqas creates more of a security threat than it prevents.

SgtKevali

In what way?

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Banning Burqas creates more of a security threat than it prevents.

flazzle

In what way?

Banning Burqas creates more of a security threat than it prevents.

SgtKevali

An entirely plausible theory which I am inclined to agree with.

Good for the french, banning a misogynistic piece of head wear.

Just goes to show how prevalent biggotry and racism are in the modern world. shakmaster13

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]Just goes to show how prevalent biggotry and racism are in the modern world. htekemerald

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]Just goes to show how prevalent biggotry and racism are in the modern world. htekemerald

Oh god, not this stuff again. It doesn't matter. It's bigotry. That's what's important. Focus on the issue at hand, not some diversion of wording.

That is not cool. As silly as absurd religious practices are, benign religious practices should be allowed and allowed to go unfettered.

I dont know if you guys know but a new law set to be integrated in spring 2011 is that women cant wear burqas or nijabs. Thats kinda messed IMO. Theyre not doing any harm wearing it. This is most heinous.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/14/france.burqa.ban/index.htm

What do you think about this?

Capitan_Kid

I think this is great and America should follow in their footsteps. Burqas are degrading to women.

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[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]Just goes to show how prevalent biggotry and racism are in the modern world. SgtKevali

Oh god, not this stuff again. It doesn't matter. It's bigotry. That's what's important. Focus on the issue at hand, not some diversion of wording.

Do you even know what bigotry is?

And I'm not the one trying ot divert the argument by slandering those who disagree with me.

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[QUOTE="htekemerald"] Tell me, how are the followers of islam (aka muslims) a "race".

htekemerald

Oh god, not this stuff again. It doesn't matter. It's bigotry. That's what's important. Focus on the issue at hand, not some diversion of wording.

Do you even know what bigotry is?

And I'm not the one trying ot divert the argument by slandering those who disagree with me.

I'm sorry I snapped at you, but I hate it when rather than focusing on the main idea, people point at minor things like this. It always comes off as an attempt to divert the subject. And yes, I see the irony.

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I think Internet anonymity is a security threat, we should have all locations and names of those surfing the web displayed at all times.. for security reasons.

LJS9502_basic

But we are anonymous! Proxies and such are fun :D

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]That is absurd. If a Burqa is a security threat, then so is an anus. People could smuggle explosives in both..........HAHAITHINKNOT

honestly im actually gunning they do this in aus (which is based on the same religous values as the US and is a melting pot so to speak). ^above a few posts ago go it right with the "political corrrectness" in the pool. They come to a country they should assimilate at least partially into the host countries culture (in my opinion, but seriously why emigrate to a western country when your not willing to embrace their ideals?).

I think people see this as the same as stopping say for example (and an extreme one at that) circumcision with the jews. Its not like that at all, they still have the right to practice their religion they just have to finally begin assimimlation into the host contries culture. This issue transends itself in that it lays the precendent for equallity betweeen everyone in the country and in some cases the world, i say this becuase it tells the muslim leaders in france that they can't get away with whatever they want (im not sure this is an issue in france but i feel this is an issue in aus), as in aus there have been issues regarding muslim schools (only muslim kids, which is eliteism towards everyone else), issues regarding learning English, My hometown has a very large afgan community and has since about '98 and 12 years later there are still immigrants who just claim govenmnt handouts and dont speak english at teh expense of taxpayers. So in essence it will be the beggining of the end of political correctness gone to far.

I agree with the fact that women should remove their burqas to do basic identity checks, and I find it ridiculous to refuse doing so. However, France went too far.

They're akin to balaclavas in terms of aesthetics so I understand why they'd have such safety issues.

That said, we all know there is tension between the French and Muslims and for good reason.

You're not allowed to walk around in stores and public places with a ski mask on. Same rules should be applied to burqas. PERIOD. Everyone is equal to the law, even muslims.Osaka-06

If muslims dont like this they should protest it, you know make themselves be heard without having to bomb anything and without ruining my vacations. Seriously Islam come on, dont ruin my vacation *cries*

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Banning Burqas creates more of a security threat than it prevents.

HAHAITHINKNOT

In what way?

I'd rather not presume anything any hear from the poster themselves.

Again, in what way?

Well, if Extremist Muslim Terrorists decide to fly a plane into the Eifle Tower, they have nobody but themselves to blame.

Well, if Extremist Muslim Terrorists decide to fly a plane into the Eifle Tower, they have nobody but themselves to blame.

Netherscourge