Fifty Percent Hike in Taxes for Ammunition and Eleven Percent on Guns

Democrats Propose Bill For Hefty Tax Increase On Guns, Ammunition is taken right from the playbook that raised tobacco taxes to get people to stop smoking.

Reps. Danny K. Davis, D-Ill, and Bill Pascrell, D-N.J., say the Gun Violence Prevention and Safe Communities Act (H.R. 3018) would generate $600 million per year that would be used to fund gun violence prevention and law-enforcement.Linked Article

Ammunition prices and availability is already terrible, just last month, I paid $50+ for 1050 rounds of .22LR ammunition that I got lucky in getting. I was expecting to get just 4 50 round boxes at $2.83 each, but a shipment came in just that morning with the larger boxes came in. Bass Pro Shops limits people to 2 50 round boxes each or 1 525 round boxes per day so others can buy ammo too. Other shops rarely get any .22LR ammo as it is. I can remember buying 100 round boxes for $.75 each.

It is estimated that there will be another run on weapons and ammo if this bill gains any traction. Do you think this will impact the number of illegal weapons on the street or the reduce the number of killings by criminals who use firearms in the commissions of their crimes? 

How about no.

What is even wose, it is only predicted to raise only $84 Million a year more compared to 2012s $514 Million. Go figure. :|

Hope it passes, if their numbers are correct then they are actually appealing to people from a fiscal point of view. Not that such a thing matters to the NRA of course.

Tobacco consumption goes down when its taxed and so will guns, this is pretty basic economics. However, the tax is obviously far too small to significantly reduce or compensate for the enormous negative externality ($174, 000, 000, 000) generated by gun violence.

It won't pass. 

It won't pass. 

Wasdie

At least tobacco's dangerous... >_>The-Apostle

At least tobacco's dangerous... >_>The-Apostle

heck 50 for 1050 of 22LR isnt too bad. I think federal bulk at wallyworld used to be like 19 $ for 550. Ive seen 1000 rnds go for 100$ on GB/auction sites. We dont have any 22lr here in cali - at least at wallmart. Law wont pass. In cali, we have a bill that will pass including a tax and some type of special buying ID/registry.`At least prices are falling on 556 and 7.62x39. 

Democrats Propose Bill For Hefty Tax Increase On Guns, Ammunition is taken right from the playbook that raised tobacco taxes to get people to stop smoking.

[quote="Linked Article"]

Reps. Danny K. Davis, D-Ill, and Bill Pascrell, D-N.J., say the Gun Violence Prevention and Safe Communities Act (H.R. 3018) would generate $600 million per year that would be used to fund gun violence prevention and law-enforcement.WhiteKnight77

Ammunition prices and availability is already terrible, just last month, I paid $50+ for 1050 rounds of .22LR ammunition that I got lucky in getting. I was expecting to get just 4 50 round boxes at $2.83 each, but a shipment came in just that morning with the larger boxes came in. Bass Pro Shops limits people to 2 50 round boxes each or 1 525 round boxes per day so others can buy ammo too. Other shops rarely get any .22LR ammo as it is. I can remember buying 100 round boxes for $.75 each.

It is estimated that there will be another run on weapons and ammo if this bill gains any traction. Do you think this will impact the number of illegal weapons on the street or the reduce the number of killings by criminals who use firearms in the commissions of their crimes? 

The problem they don't get is demand for tabacco is relatively inelastic, so very few people will stop smoking while everyone else just has less money.

Although inelastic demand products are the best ones to raise taxes on if you want more revenue.

Because only rich people and the government should be able to afford to defend themselves!famicommander

its called a gym membership, cheap and effective.... far more likely to increase your life expectancy.

I don't think it's that important. 

These are basically luxury items.

[QUOTE="famicommander"]Because only rich people and the government should be able to afford to defend themselves!BeardMaster

its called a gym membership, cheap and effective.... far more likely to increase your life expectancy.

taking policy ideas from chris rock.....BossPerson

lol beat me to it.

I don't think it's that important. 

These are basically luxury items.

MakeMeaSammitch

pretty much.

the only people I know with guns, and that enjoy using them frequently, are folks that go hunting.

I can see it getting expensive if you like to go target shooting, though.

But as far as home defense goes, well, if you are that scared and that concerned, the tax hike should not be much of an issue.  A box of ammo and a basic pistol or shotgun won't set you back too much either way.

I imagine the goal of the tax hike is to prevent stockpiling, and to generally help people think twice about owning a gun lol.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

I don't think it's that important. 

These are basically luxury items.

mrbojangles25

pretty much.

the only people I know with guns, and that enjoy using them frequently, are folks that go hunting.

I can see it getting expensive if you like to go target shooting, though.

But as far as home defense goes, well, if you are that scared and that concerned, the tax hike should not be much of an issue.  A box of ammo and a basic pistol or shotgun won't set you back too much either way.

I imagine the goal of the tax hike is to prevent stockpiling, and to generally help people think twice about owning a gun lol.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

I don't think it's that important. 

These are basically luxury items.

mrbojangles25

pretty much.

the only people I know with guns, and that enjoy using them frequently, are folks that go hunting.

I can see it getting expensive if you like to go target shooting, though.

But as far as home defense goes, well, if you are that scared and that concerned, the tax hike should not be much of an issue.  A box of ammo and a basic pistol or shotgun won't set you back too much either way.

I imagine the goal of the tax hike is to prevent stockpiling, and to generally help people think twice about owning a gun lol.

The goal of the tax hike is probably to keep guns away from criminals, as they tend to be statistically much poorer than your average family concerned with home defense.

EDIT: well scratch that the goal of the tax hike is to generate tax revenue, the primary side effect is keeping guns away from criminals.

criminals dont need more than a box. Taxing ammunition is intended to curtail legal ownership.

How about no.

Bigboss232

criminals dont need more than a box. Taxing ammunition is intended to curtail legal ownership.

consoletroll

people concerned with self defense need even less ammo, as they generally arent planning to use it, whereas criminals are.

[QUOTE="consoletroll"]

criminals dont need more than a box. Taxing ammunition is intended to curtail legal ownership.

BeardMaster

people concerned with self defense need even less ammo, as they generally arent planning to use it, whereas criminals are.

And people like me that shoot for sport (the safest freaking group) are the ones that actually get screwed here. Shit, shotgun shells are already getting ridiculous. I hope this shit doesn't pass.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="consoletroll"]

criminals dont need more than a box. Taxing ammunition is intended to curtail legal ownership.

Guybrush_3

people concerned with self defense need even less ammo, as they generally arent planning to use it, whereas criminals are.

And people like me that shoot for sport (the safest freaking group) are the ones that actually get screwed here. Shit, shotgun shells are already getting ridiculous. I hope this shit doesn't pass.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="consoletroll"]

criminals dont need more than a box. Taxing ammunition is intended to curtail legal ownership.

Guybrush_3

people concerned with self defense need even less ammo, as they generally arent planning to use it, whereas criminals are.

And people like me that shoot for sport (the safest freaking group) are the ones that actually get screwed here. Shit, shotgun shells are already getting ridiculous. I hope this shit doesn't pass.

well thats unfortunate... im sure there are alot of people that would like to make and set off bombs for sport, but they just gotta deal.

should maybe try a different sport... maybe basketball, basketballs are far less deadly and your sport will actually get you in shape and make you healthier. Shooting is kinda up there with darts anyhow in terms of not really being a sport and requiring no athleticism whatsoever.

maybe a secondary benefit is it gets sport shooters to apply themselves to other actual sports and increases their cardiovascular health. Most of the pro gun protests generally look like a group of folks that desperately need a new sport, one that involves some exercise.

well scratch that the goal of the tax hike is to generate tax revenue, the primary side effect is keeping guns away from criminals.BeardMaster

[QUOTE="consoletroll"]

criminals dont need more than a box. Taxing ammunition is intended to curtail legal ownership.

BeardMaster

people concerned with self defense need even less ammo, as they generally arent planning to use it, whereas criminals are.

In order to defend yourself properly , you need to have training (Practice). You cant practice marksmanship without ammunition. 

If you saw my stash, you would probably WET YOURSELF you stinking LIB! Are you an American?

good i wish they would ban guns all together.-Renegade

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="consoletroll"]

criminals dont need more than a box. Taxing ammunition is intended to curtail legal ownership.

consoletroll

people concerned with self defense need even less ammo, as they generally arent planning to use it, whereas criminals are.

In order to defend yourself properly , you need to have training (Practice). You cant practice marksmanship without ammunition. 

If you saw my stash, you would probably WET YOURSELF you stinking LIB! Are you an American?

yes well you might be more of a gun nut than a rational person concerned with home defense. After all they make pepper spray grenades, which will always be more effective and safer to toss in a room vs blinding yourself with muzzle flashes in the dark to shoot what you think is an intruder. And if its a family member sneaking in after their curfew, the pepper spray grenade will cause some sore eyes vs a funeral.

And yes im an american, but a rational one.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

people concerned with self defense need even less ammo, as they generally arent planning to use it, whereas criminals are.

BeardMaster

And people like me that shoot for sport (the safest freaking group) are the ones that actually get screwed here. Shit, shotgun shells are already getting ridiculous. I hope this shit doesn't pass.

well thats unfortunate... im sure there are alot of people that would like to make and set off bombs for sport, but they just gotta deal.

should maybe try a different sport... maybe basketball, basketballs are far less deadly and your sport will actually get you in shape and make you healthier. Shooting is kinda up there with darts anyhow in terms of not really being a sport and requiring no athleticism whatsoever.

maybe a secondary benefit is it gets sport shooters to apply themselves to other actual sports and increases their cardiovascular health. Most of the pro gun protests generally look like a group of folks that desperately need a new sport, one that involves some exercise.

Maybe you could be less of a condescending dick, and get off your high horse. I realize that would be difficult, but you could try.

[QUOTE="consoletroll"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

people concerned with self defense need even less ammo, as they generally arent planning to use it, whereas criminals are.

BeardMaster

In order to defend yourself properly , you need to have training (Practice). You cant practice marksmanship without ammunition. 

If you saw my stash, you would probably WET YOURSELF you stinking LIB! Are you an American?

yes well you might be more of a gun nut than a rational person concerned with home defense. After all they make pepper spray grenades, which will always be more effective and safer to toss in a room vs blinding yourself with muzzle flashes in the dark to shoot what you think is an intruder. And if its a family member sneaking in after their curfew, the pepper spray grenade will cause some sore eyes vs a funeral.

And yes im an american, but a rational one.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

And people like me that shoot for sport (the safest freaking group) are the ones that actually get screwed here. Shit, shotgun shells are already getting ridiculous. I hope this shit doesn't pass.

Guybrush_3

well thats unfortunate... im sure there are alot of people that would like to make and set off bombs for sport, but they just gotta deal.

should maybe try a different sport... maybe basketball, basketballs are far less deadly and your sport will actually get you in shape and make you healthier. Shooting is kinda up there with darts anyhow in terms of not really being a sport and requiring no athleticism whatsoever.

maybe a secondary benefit is it gets sport shooters to apply themselves to other actual sports and increases their cardiovascular health. Most of the pro gun protests generally look like a group of folks that desperately need a new sport, one that involves some exercise.

Maybe you could be less of a condescending dick, and get off your high horse. I realize that would be difficult, but you could try.

you know what, fair is fair. I was being a condescending dick. I try to avoid it but it does slip out.

the average gun guy rustles my jimmies a fair bit but you made a rational point, and you did so well. It does kinda suck butts, but as a smoker being a victim of the most heavy handed excessive tax in existence i suppose im a little less sympathetic by nature. So i have more of a "welcome to the club" attitude vs a sympathetic one. I suppose misery loves company.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="consoletroll"]

 

In order to defend yourself properly , you need to have training (Practice). You cant practice marksmanship without ammunition. 

If you saw my stash, you would probably WET YOURSELF you stinking LIB! Are you an American?

consoletroll

yes well you might be more of a gun nut than a rational person concerned with home defense. After all they make pepper spray grenades, which will always be more effective and safer to toss in a room vs blinding yourself with muzzle flashes in the dark to shoot what you think is an intruder. And if its a family member sneaking in after their curfew, the pepper spray grenade will cause some sore eyes vs a funeral.

And yes im an american, but a rational one.

well you have a point. here is a video showing how easy it is to shoot and hit targets while pepper sprayed.

But yes pepper spray grenade for multiple targets, even just old school pepper spray is fine. As you can put a few bullets in someone and not disable them, but pepper spray even near their face disables most targets.

gun enthusiasts seem to underestimate pepper spray.

Video means nothing. Plenty of police incidents occurred where pepper spray was not enough. Id consider Pepper spray is better than nothing ( I would prefer a taser). However at contact distance you could easily be stabbed, shot or beaten even if you used it effectively. Every individual reacts differently to Pep spray ( especially someone drunk or high on stimulants). Another thing is many people who end up using pepper spray end up spraying themselves. Fpsrussia is an idiot, the video means nothing. He could have easily run up to the target and shot at point black range.consoletroll

well if someone is drunk or high on stimulants, a bullet in their belly probably isnt going to be a major factor either. and pepper spraying yourself is better than shooting yourself.

if you are already planning for scenarios of multiple attackers immune to pepper spray and stun guns attacking you, this is the point where we need to question the rationality of your mindset.

well if someone is drunk or high on stimulants, a bullet in their belly probably isnt going to be a major factor either. and pepper spraying yourself is better than shooting yourself.

if you are already planning for scenarios of multiple attackers immune to pepper spray and stun guns attacking you, this is the point where we need to question the rationality of your mindset.

BeardMaster

You ever been shot in the belly with a hollowpoint? I didn't think so. Please take your idiocy somewhere else.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

well if someone is drunk or high on stimulants, a bullet in their belly probably isnt going to be a major factor either. and pepper spraying yourself is better than shooting yourself.

if you are already planning for scenarios of multiple attackers immune to pepper spray and stun guns attacking you, this is the point where we need to question the rationality of your mindset.

airshocker

You ever been shot in the belly with a hollowpoint? I didn't think so. Please take your idiocy somewhere else.

so i can only assume you have been shot in the belly with a hollowpoint? I didn't think so. Please take your idiocy somewhere else.

so i can only assume you have been shot in the belly with a hollowpoint? I didn't think so. Please take your idiocy somewhere else.

BeardMaster

I'm not the idiot saying being shot in the stomach probably wouldn't do much. I've seen the effects of a hollowpoint(9MM, .40 S&W and .45 ACP)when it impacts someone's body. It's the reason police officers are issued them. They are DEVASTATING. To suggest being shot in the gut would be a non-factor is patently absurd and shows how little you actually know.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

so i can only assume you have been shot in the belly with a hollowpoint? I didn't think so. Please take your idiocy somewhere else.

airshocker

I'm not the idiot saying being shot in the stomach probably wouldn't do much. I've seen the effects of a hollowpoint(9MM, .40 S&W and .45 ACP)when it impacts someone's body. It's the reason police officers are issued them. They are DEVASTATING. To suggest being shot in the gut would be a non-factor is patently absurd and shows how little you actually know.

to suggest having your nervous system overloaded with volts or your eyes blinded with capsaicin as being a non factor would be equally foolish and patently absurd.

The context is these superhumans are immune to pepper spray and stun guns, and they are attacking us. But its unreasonable to assume these superhumans cant take a bullet?

to suggest having your nervous system overloaded with volts or your eyes blinded with capsaicin as being a non factor would be equally foolish and patently absurd.

The context is these superhumans are immune to pepper spray and stun guns, and they are attacking us. But its unreasonable to assume these superhumans cant take a bullet?

BeardMaster

Pay attention, stupid. Focus on what I'm actually saying, not what conversation you had with somebody else.

Are you seriously suggesting to me that a person with a cantelope-sized hole near their spine, even if they are on PCP, is going to have the motor functions to continue his previous actions?

What if the officer was using a .40 S&W and there was a volley ball-sized exit wound? Do you know what hollowpoints even do to someone's body? Apparently not.

How about a .45? Want to take a guess at the size of the exit wound that thing creates?

You don't know a damn thing about what you are talking about. Let me educate you. Such trauma caused anywhere near the spinal column will drop that person as quickly as if he'd been shot in the head.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

to suggest having your nervous system overloaded with volts or your eyes blinded with capsaicin as being a non factor would be equally foolish and patently absurd.

The context is these superhumans are immune to pepper spray and stun guns, and they are attacking us. But its unreasonable to assume these superhumans cant take a bullet?

airshocker

Pay attention, stupid. Focus on what I'm actually saying, not what conversation you had with somebody else.

Are you seriously suggesting to me that a person with a cantelope-sized hole near their spine, even if they are on PCP, is going to have the motor functions to continue his previous actions?

What if the officer was using a .40 S&W and there was a volley ball-sized exit wound? Do you know what hollowpoints even do to someone's body? Apparently not.

How about a .45? Want to take a guess at the size of the exit wound that thing creates?

You don't know a damn thing about what you are talking about. Let me educate you. Such trauma caused anywhere near the spinal column will drop that person as quickly as if he'd been shot in the head.

then pay attention to context before replying, we are talking about people with nervous systems immune to electrical overload, and eyes immune to capsaicin... these are superhumans. You cannot judge them by human standards.

raising prices of cigarettes hasn't helped people stop smoking, it just makes those who are addicted pay morelamprey263

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]raising prices of cigarettes hasn't helped people stop smoking, it just makes those who are addicted pay moreSerraph105