Finally the music industry is fighting back against pirating, and digital DL

As some of you know, I work in the music industry so I take a lot of what goes on in the industry seriously (sometimes too seriously :P )

However finally the music industry or shal I say, a "role model" for the industry, is taking action to promote record sales, and actually get people buying cds instead of pirating or buying singles from digital stores.

Universal records (huge record company) wants to revive the psychical formate by decreasing the cost's of albums. The average cd now ranges from 12-15 dollars with the big releases from mainstream artists range from 15-20$. Now they plan to lower the price's by a huge amount with the average being 10. Records have not been that cheap since the early/ mid 90s when the record industry was blooming with sales, now with the digital market thriving, and people pirating, the appreciating of an album has decreases and unfortunately modern times has become a "singles race."

Although Im not crazy over Universal (because they have done very shady work in the past, not as bad as sony or virgin however) I am really glad that someone has finally taken initiative to do something. Record sales are a very big aspect to artists not just with money but value and appreciation and restrictions. I am so thrilled about this news because this seems to be a right step in re-working the current music industry system which as of right now, is dieing horrible in its own greed. Whats your thoughts?

http://new.music.yahoo.com/godsmack/news/universal-betting-on-lower-prices-to-boost-cd-sales--62000139

Hey man if they make albums cheaper that's great and all, and I will buy more CD's, but it wont stop or slow down the pirating. If anything its just giving them the best of both world.

To be honest, even if they cost $1 I will still download...gamebreakerz__

As some of you know, I work in the music industry so I take a lot of what goes on in the industry seriously (sometimes too seriously :P )

However finally the music industry or shal I say, a "role model" for the industry, is taking action to promote record sales, and actually get people buying cds instead of pirating or buying singles from digital stores.

Universal records (huge record company) wants to revive the psychical formate by decreasing the cost's of albums. The average cd now ranges from 12-15 dollars with the big releases from mainstream artists range from 15-20$. Now they plan to lower the price's by a huge amount with the average being 10. Records have not been that cheap since the early/ mid 90s when the record industry was blooming with sales, now with the digital market thriving, and people pirating, the appreciating of an album has decreases and unfortunately modern times has become a "singles race."

Although Im not crazy over Universal (because they have done very shady work in the past, not as bad as sony or virgin however) I am really glad that someone has finally taken initiative to do something. Record sales are a very big aspect to artists not just with money but value and appreciation and restrictions. I am so thrilled about this news because this seems to be a right step in re-working the current music industry system which as of right now, is dieing horrible in its own greed. Whats your thoughts?

http://new.music.yahoo.com/godsmack/news/universal-betting-on-lower-prices-to-boost-cd-sales--62000139

mexicangordo

That's all fine and well, but that's still $10 vs $0.

And no, I don't pirate music. But if I were willing to illegally get music free, chances are that I wouldn't be paying $10 for **** that I can still get for $0.

I'd really like it if they pushed wider distribution of lesser known but still popular bands. The only physical albums I can ever find are ones by mainstream artists (which isn't a bad thing, but mainstream stuff only makes up about half of my taste in music).Xeros606

And such to let you know, the big record companies such as Sony, Virgin..ect own almost all indie record labels.

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]To be honest, even if they cost $1 I will still download...mexicangordo

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

As some of you know, I work in the music industry so I take a lot of what goes on in the industry seriously (sometimes too seriously :P )

However finally the music industry or shal I say, a "role model" for the industry, is taking action to promote record sales, and actually get people buying cds instead of pirating or buying singles from digital stores.

Universal records (huge record company) wants to revive the psychical formate by decreasing the cost's of albums. The average cd now ranges from 12-15 dollars with the big releases from mainstream artists range from 15-20$. Now they plan to lower the price's by a huge amount with the average being 10. Records have not been that cheap since the early/ mid 90s when the record industry was blooming with sales, now with the digital market thriving, and people pirating, the appreciating of an album has decreases and unfortunately modern times has become a "singles race."

Although Im not crazy over Universal (because they have done very shady work in the past, not as bad as sony or virgin however) I am really glad that someone has finally taken initiative to do something. Record sales are a very big aspect to artists not just with money but value and appreciation and restrictions. I am so thrilled about this news because this seems to be a right step in re-working the current music industry system which as of right now, is dieing horrible in its own greed. Whats your thoughts?

http://new.music.yahoo.com/godsmack/news/universal-betting-on-lower-prices-to-boost-cd-sales--62000139

MrGeezer

That's all fine and well, but that's still $10 vs $0.

And no, I don't pirate music. But if I were willing to illegally get music free, chances are that I wouldn't be paying $10 for **** that I can still get for $0.

Being a huge fan of owning physical media, I am stoked. $10 I can get behind. That means hopefully, if that business model pervades and holds true, that used CDs will become even cheaper (don't forget that secondary market!) and I will be able to go back to perusing aisles of music instead of frigging Amazon or Mp3.

Being a huge fan of owning physical media, I am stoked. $10 I can get behind. That means hopefully, if that business model pervades and holds true, that used CDs will become even cheaper (don't forget that secondary market!) and I will be able to go back to perusing aisles of music instead of frigging Amazon or Mp3.

my_mortal_coil

[QUOTE="Xeros606"]I'd really like it if they pushed wider distribution of lesser known but still popular bands. The only physical albums I can ever find are ones by mainstream artists (which isn't a bad thing, but mainstream stuff only makes up about half of my taste in music).mexicangordo

And such to let you know, the big record companies such as Sony, Virgin..ect own almost all indie record labels.

Cool. The price of music anymore is kind of ridiculous. I don't get why movies are often cheaper than music. That's madness.StopThePresses

I find the price of music to be quite fair right now. Seems to be somewhere between $1 and $2 per song, which seems perfectly reasonable, considering that I'm not spending my money on songs that are total crap.

Anyway, I'm assuming that more people watch movies, which seems like it would enable the cost per buyer to be lower.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="Xeros606"]I'd really like it if they pushed wider distribution of lesser known but still popular bands. The only physical albums I can ever find are ones by mainstream artists (which isn't a bad thing, but mainstream stuff only makes up about half of my taste in music).Xeros606

And such to let you know, the big record companies such as Sony, Virgin..ect own almost all indie record labels.

Being a huge fan of owning physical media, I am stoked. $10 I can get behind. That means hopefully, if that business model pervades and holds true, that used CDs will become even cheaper (don't forget that secondary market!) and I will be able to go back to perusing aisles of music instead of frigging Amazon or Mp3.

my_mortal_coil

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

As some of you know, I work in the music industry so I take a lot of what goes on in the industry seriously (sometimes too seriously :P )

However finally the music industry or shal I say, a "role model" for the industry, is taking action to promote record sales, and actually get people buying cds instead of pirating or buying singles from digital stores.

Universal records (huge record company) wants to revive the psychical formate by decreasing the cost's of albums. The average cd now ranges from 12-15 dollars with the big releases from mainstream artists range from 15-20$. Now they plan to lower the price's by a huge amount with the average being 10. Records have not been that cheap since the early/ mid 90s when the record industry was blooming with sales, now with the digital market thriving, and people pirating, the appreciating of an album has decreases and unfortunately modern times has become a "singles race."

Although Im not crazy over Universal (because they have done very shady work in the past, not as bad as sony or virgin however) I am really glad that someone has finally taken initiative to do something. Record sales are a very big aspect to artists not just with money but value and appreciation and restrictions. I am so thrilled about this news because this seems to be a right step in re-working the current music industry system which as of right now, is dieing horrible in its own greed. Whats your thoughts?

http://new.music.yahoo.com/godsmack/news/universal-betting-on-lower-prices-to-boost-cd-sales--62000139

mexicangordo

That's all fine and well, but that's still $10 vs $0.

And no, I don't pirate music. But if I were willing to illegally get music free, chances are that I wouldn't be paying $10 for **** that I can still get for $0.

*shrugs*

I think the last time I paid more than $12 for a CD was back in 1999.

People can pirate or not, but this doesn't really have any affect on me. I don't think I've EVER paid $20 for an album, and I don't pirate music either.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]Cool. The price of music anymore is kind of ridiculous. I don't get why movies are often cheaper than music. That's madness.MrGeezer

I find the price of music to be quite fair right now. Seems to be somewhere between $1 and $2 per song, which seems perfectly reasonable, considering that I'm not spending my money on songs that are total crap.

Anyway, I'm assuming that more people watch movies, which seems like it would enable the cost per buyer to be lower.

As much as I love the Smashing Pumpkins, back in 2007 Zeitgeist cost around 17 dollars, plus tax 20 bucks for a cd that has good content, loyal fans, and hype, however incredible over priced by the record company.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

That's all fine and well, but that's still $10 vs $0.

And no, I don't pirate music. But if I were willing to illegally get music free, chances are that I wouldn't be paying $10 for **** that I can still get for $0.

MrGeezer

*shrugs*

I think the last time I paid more than $12 for a CD was back in 1999.

People can pirate or not, but this doesn't really have any affect on me. I don't think I've EVER paid $20 for an album, and I don't pirate music either.

But pirating and digital download doesnt effect me either, however, it does impact what I hear.

[QUOTE="my_mortal_coil"]

Being a huge fan of owning physical media, I am stoked. $10 I can get behind. That means hopefully, if that business model pervades and holds true, that used CDs will become even cheaper (don't forget that secondary market!) and I will be able to go back to perusing aisles of music instead of frigging Amazon or Mp3.

StopThePresses

No, but a secondary market is always based on new prices. Why pay 90% of the new price, or even more than the new price when you can just buy new? Trust me if this holds it will affect the used CD market, there will just probably be a HUGE delay.

Hmmm, $10 vs Free...I still have to go with the latter. Sorry but nothing beats Free. Plus this wont hurt pirating at all. Like I said nothing, no matter what your dealing with, "Free" wins everytime.

wildcat2000

But as Ive mentioned, I have nothing against people who pirate nor do I judge those who do....Its still a shame though

I just buy used. I don't many people realize that a perfectly good CD can be bought for about 3-4 dollars. Granted downloading is cheaper, but I do prefer the physical copy.Angry_Mushroom

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]Cool. The price of music anymore is kind of ridiculous. I don't get why movies are often cheaper than music. That's madness.mexicangordo

I find the price of music to be quite fair right now. Seems to be somewhere between $1 and $2 per song, which seems perfectly reasonable, considering that I'm not spending my money on songs that are total crap.

Anyway, I'm assuming that more people watch movies, which seems like it would enable the cost per buyer to be lower.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I don't care what kind of music you or the next guy likes. My point is that if YOU think it's good, then I think that $2 per song is pretty ****ing fair. And I'm damn near broke.

$2 for a song that will give me years of enjoyment doesn't exactly seem like a ripoff to me. And if I did consistently buy music and feel like I was getting ripped off, then chances are that that's MY fault for not being a bit more discriminating about what I buy. Maybe if I didn't buy ever ****ing pop album that I happened to hear someone mention, then maybe I wouldn't think that all those songs weren't even worth a measly $1.50

and you downloaders wonder why people "sell out"....lonewolf604

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]and you downloaders wonder why people "sell out"....mexicangordo

Too little too late im afraid

Hmmm, $10 vs Free...I still have to go with the latter. Sorry but nothing beats Free. Plus this wont hurt pirating at all. Like I said nothing, no matter what your dealing with, "Free" wins everytime.

wildcat2000

Well, in my opinion, free doesn't beat album art, good quality (can't beat lossless), knowing you're patronizing artists that you appreciate and helping to pay for their coke habits, and a rack or better yet shelves of CDs. There is something very lacking about a digital music collection, esp. a haphazard one created by piecemeal downloads, mismatching bitrates and truncated outros.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

I find the price of music to be quite fair right now. Seems to be somewhere between $1 and $2 per song, which seems perfectly reasonable, considering that I'm not spending my money on songs that are total crap.

Anyway, I'm assuming that more people watch movies, which seems like it would enable the cost per buyer to be lower.

MrGeezer

That's exactly what I'm saying. I don't care what kind of music you or the next guy likes. My point is that if YOU think it's good, then I think that $2 per song is pretty ****ing fair. And I'm damn near broke.

$2 for a song that will give me years of enjoyment doesn't exactly seem like a ripoff to me. And if I did consistently buy music and feel like I was getting ripped off, then chances are that that's MY fault for not being a bit more discriminating about what I buy. Maybe if I didn't buy ever ****ing pop album that I happened to hear someone mention, then maybe I wouldn't think that all those songs weren't even worth a measly $1.50

You have to remember, the price of music is not in the hands of the artist but record companies. It just comes down to what is value and how is it measured? Thats why I think this whole ideal is a good thing, it makes music accessible again, not just in money but in interest and value.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]and you downloaders wonder why people "sell out"....lonewolf604

Typical me

[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]

Hmmm, $10 vs Free...I still have to go with the latter. Sorry but nothing beats Free. Plus this wont hurt pirating at all. Like I said nothing, no matter what your dealing with, "Free" wins everytime.

my_mortal_coil

Well, in my opinion, free doesn't beat album art, good quality (can't beat lossless), knowing you're patronizing artists that you appreciate and helping to pay for their coke habits, and a rack or better yet shelves of CDs. There is something very lacking about a digital music collection, esp. a haphazard one created by piecemeal downloads, mismatching bitrates and truncated outros.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]Cool. The price of music anymore is kind of ridiculous. I don't get why movies are often cheaper than music. That's madness.MrGeezer

I find the price of music to be quite fair right now. Seems to be somewhere between $1 and $2 per song, which seems perfectly reasonable, considering that I'm not spending my money on songs that are total crap.

Anyway, I'm assuming that more people watch movies, which seems like it would enable the cost per buyer to be lower.

[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]

Hmmm, $10 vs Free...I still have to go with the latter. Sorry but nothing beats Free. Plus this wont hurt pirating at all. Like I said nothing, no matter what your dealing with, "Free" wins everytime.

mexicangordo

But as Ive mentioned, I have nothing against people who pirate nor do I judge those who do....Its still a shame though

Well I understand what your saying. Like me, I dont really like DL of games. Id rather have actual copies, which is why I was really upset that Sonic 4 turned out to b a downloadable game.

However, you say its a shame but artists and recored companies are not gonna get any more poor or go out of buisness just because we pirate music. Same diffrence with games. New releases are $50-60. Waitfor some time topassand those games will be down to $20-40.

Game companies wont be hurt by gamers who wait or buy used and neither will the people run the music indsustry even if said companies want you to believe theyre taking a huge hit. Thos people are rich one way or another and me pirating music wont change that.

From what ive seen, even pirates buy CD's from bands they really like (ive even heard an artist state this in a video before =P), even if they already have all/the majority of the songs from the CD, which this will probably help alittle because its easier to drop 10 bucks on a CD rather than 15-20 especially if said person doesnt have the kind of job that allows them to buy too many non necessary things, you know what I mean?

I think this is cool too though in any case ^^

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]Cool. The price of music anymore is kind of ridiculous. I don't get why movies are often cheaper than music. That's madness.StopThePresses

I find the price of music to be quite fair right now. Seems to be somewhere between $1 and $2 per song, which seems perfectly reasonable, considering that I'm not spending my money on songs that are total crap.

Anyway, I'm assuming that more people watch movies, which seems like it would enable the cost per buyer to be lower.

I was talking about full albums too. Even if we're on the high end of the price scale and assume that the album costs $20, and if we assume that the album only has 10 songs, that's still no more than $2 per song.

Now, in the cases in which there's only one good song on the entire album, then I go back to what I said before...the consumer needs to be a bit more selective about what they spend their money on.

Good idea. But I will still download/pirate. My CD collection is at least over 500 CD's and I've started buiding up my vinyl collection by getting most new realeases on LP when possible. But yeah, I'm a pirate and I'm killing the industry...

PerilousWolf

Pirates always love to brag about how much music they buy, but I almost never hear them mentioning how much music they've obtained illegally that they didn't buy.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]

Hmmm, $10 vs Free...I still have to go with the latter. Sorry but nothing beats Free. Plus this wont hurt pirating at all. Like I said nothing, no matter what your dealing with, "Free" wins everytime.

wildcat2000

But as Ive mentioned, I have nothing against people who pirate nor do I judge those who do....Its still a shame though

Well I understand what your saying. Like me, I dont really like DL of games. Id rather have actual copies, which is why I was really upset that Sonic 4 turned out to b a downloadable game.

However, you say its a shame but artists and recored companies are not gonna get any more poor or go out of buisness just because we pirate music. Same diffrence with games. New releases are $50-60. Waitfor some time topassand those games will be down to $20-40.

Game companies wont be hurt by gamers who wait or buy used and neither will the people run the music indsustry even if said companies want you to believe theyre taking a huge hit. Thos people are rich one way or another and me pirating music wont change that.

I dont think you see the whole scope and magnitude pirating can have on things. (and im not saying that to offend you in any way) It really is a chain reaction that ultimately affects the artist.

[QUOTE="PerilousWolf"]

Good idea. But I will still download/pirate. My CD collection is at least over 500 CD's and I've started buiding up my vinyl collection by getting most new realeases on LP when possible. But yeah, I'm a pirate and I'm killing the industry...

MrGeezer

Pirates always love to brag about how much music they buy, but I almost never hear them mentioning how much music they've obtained illegally that they didn't buy.

[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"] A lot of things beat Free, but it does not matter if the interest is not there to begin with.

But as Ive mentioned, I have nothing against people who pirate nor do I judge those who do....Its still a shame though

mexicangordo

Well I understand what your saying. Like me, I dont really like DL of games. Id rather have actual copies, which is why I was really upset that Sonic 4 turned out to b a downloadable game.

However, you say its a shame but artists and recored companies are not gonna get any more poor or go out of buisness just because we pirate music. Same diffrence with games. New releases are $50-60. Waitfor some time topassand those games will be down to $20-40.

Game companies wont be hurt by gamers who wait or buy used and neither will the people run the music indsustry even if said companies want you to believe theyre taking a huge hit. Thos people are rich one way or another and me pirating music wont change that.

I dont think you see the whole scope and magnitude pirating can have on things. (and im not saying that to offend you in any way) It really is a chain reaction that ultimately affects the artist.

1) "But the artists shouldn't care...they're only making pennies on the dollar anyway. So it won't hurt if I pirate this music."

2) "There's nothing wrong with pirating this music. If you're a real artist, you shouldn't care about the money anyway."

3) *my head explodes*

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]

Well I understand what your saying. Like me, I dont really like DL of games. Id rather have actual copies, which is why I was really upset that Sonic 4 turned out to b a downloadable game.

However, you say its a shame but artists and recored companies are not gonna get any more poor or go out of buisness just because we pirate music. Same diffrence with games. New releases are $50-60. Waitfor some time topassand those games will be down to $20-40.

Game companies wont be hurt by gamers who wait or buy used and neither will the people run the music indsustry even if said companies want you to believe theyre taking a huge hit. Thos people are rich one way or another and me pirating music wont change that.

MrGeezer

I dont think you see the whole scope and magnitude pirating can have on things. (and im not saying that to offend you in any way) It really is a chain reaction that ultimately affects the artist.

1) "But the artists shouldn't care...they're only making pennies on the dollar anyway. So it won't hurt if I pirate this music."

2) "There's nothing wrong with pirating this music. If you're a real artist, you shouldn't care about the money anyway."

3) *my head explodes*

[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"] A lot of things beat Free, but it does not matter if the interest is not there to begin with.

But as Ive mentioned, I have nothing against people who pirate nor do I judge those who do....Its still a shame though

mexicangordo

Well I understand what your saying. Like me, I dont really like DL of games. Id rather have actual copies, which is why I was really upset that Sonic 4 turned out to b a downloadable game.

However, you say its a shame but artists and recored companies are not gonna get any more poor or go out of buisness just because we pirate music. Same diffrence with games. New releases are $50-60. Waitfor some time topassand those games will be down to $20-40.

Game companies wont be hurt by gamers who wait or buy used and neither will the people run the music indsustry even if said companies want you to believe theyre taking a huge hit. Thos people are rich one way or another and me pirating music wont change that.

I dont think you see the whole scope and magnitude pirating can have on things. (and im not saying that to offend you in any way) It really is a chain reaction that ultimately affects the artist.

No offense taken. Again I do understand what your saying about the artists themselves. Like I said though, theyre still gonna be rich one way or another. There are people who still buy albums obviously. They have contract with thier record company and they must do live performances on TV and stuff. Not to mention endorsments like TV ads.

If anything pirating might hurt their feelings knowing that people dont think their money is worth spending on their music, but its hard to believe they take a huge finacial hit.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]

Well I understand what your saying. Like me, I dont really like DL of games. Id rather have actual copies, which is why I was really upset that Sonic 4 turned out to b a downloadable game.

However, you say its a shame but artists and recored companies are not gonna get any more poor or go out of buisness just because we pirate music. Same diffrence with games. New releases are $50-60. Waitfor some time topassand those games will be down to $20-40.

Game companies wont be hurt by gamers who wait or buy used and neither will the people run the music indsustry even if said companies want you to believe theyre taking a huge hit. Thos people are rich one way or another and me pirating music wont change that.

MrGeezer

I dont think you see the whole scope and magnitude pirating can have on things. (and im not saying that to offend you in any way) It really is a chain reaction that ultimately affects the artist.

1) "But the artists shouldn't care...they're only making pennies on the dollar anyway. So it won't hurt if I pirate this music."

2) "There's nothing wrong with pirating this music. If you're a real artist, you shouldn't care about the money anyway."

3) *my head explodes*

There's still a huge amount of space for competition in spite of the death-of-the-industry scares we've been hearing about. Musicians will continue to produce good music and prices will continue to fall as publishers continue to sell at the price they can get.jimmyjammer69

Great news, definitely prefer to get the actual CD over downloading it illegally for 10 dollars extra for the better quality sound. It was hard to justify buying CD's before considering how some of them could cost up to 2000 - 2500 yen (20 - 25 dollars), which is ridiculous, so I'm really happy with this.