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#101 StopThePresses
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That's not fair, I should be entitled to all of your hard work and labor for free!!!!!

sonicare
I realize you're being sarcastic, but even in that context this post doesn't really make sense. What isn't fair? Lowering the price of CDs doesn't actually make it any harder to pirate.
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#102 StopThePresses
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I've never quite understood the term 'digital download'. What other form of download is there?cjek
Well, in some places when you click the download button it sends a signal to have a hamster deliver a disc to you. They run around underground in a series of tubes. I don't know how those little guys carry the stuff, but they deserve mad e-props.
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#103 ruffluffs
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rather I buy it or not Im still gonna download becease there just isnt a noticable difference to the human ear between cds and mp3s quality

I know cd quality is better but you cant actually hear the difference thats why I prefer ipod, your entire collection where ever you go no hassle

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#104 Pixel-Pirate
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I have no reason to buy a CD. Downloads are cheaper, and more convenient. Sorry if the record industry refuses to evolve. They can go extinct then.

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#105 StopThePresses
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I don't really think this is about getting pirates to buy CDs. I actually don't think this move is really aimed much at pirates at all. They just want to sell more CDs, period. It's kind of foolish that they waited until so many music stores shut down to do this. Every time I make the mistake of going into a chain music store, unless something I want is on sale, I just end up looking at the prices and thinking about how I could get the stuff cheaper at Best Buy or Amazon and then I leave.
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#106 GabuEx
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Meh. CDs just aren't that convenient for me; whenever I buy them, I always end up just ripping the music onto my hard drive and putting the CD away somewhere. I pretty much get all my music through Amazon MP3, and I don't anticipate cheaper CD prices stopping that.

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#107 bluezy
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I bring this up every time this argument happens here. At least in the UK, a poll shows people who download music buy more music. While I do support Universal's plan (and while the changes probably won't be seen here in Canada), file sharing can be beneficial. And since they're only competing with it and not trying to eradicate it entirely, this can only bring good things.
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#108 comp_atkins
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I've never quite understood the term 'digital download'. What other form of download is there?cjek
analog. duh :P
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#109 krazykillaz
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I always buy CDs anyway as I like to have a physical copy of the album, but this is good news.
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#110 majoras_wrath
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Brilliant! I impulse buy $7 used albums, so this is just wonderful :) Not that it will stop criminals, but hey, I like the price.
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#111 dissonantblack
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that's nice to know. hopefully people will start actually being fans of the bands they listen to by purchasing music.

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#112 StopThePresses
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I bring this up every time this argument happens here. At least in the UK, a poll shows people who download music buy more music. While I do support Universal's plan (and while the changes probably won't be seen here in Canada), file sharing can be beneficial. And since they're only competing with it and not trying to eradicate it entirely, this can only bring good things.bluezy
That's a rather selective way of looking at it. I could just as easily say that people who buy more music are more likely to pirate it as well, the reason being that they are people who are more actively seeking out music in general. You can't necessarily infer from that that they are buying more music BECAUSE they are pirating it.
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#113 Atheists_Pwn
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i find it funny that the music industry is trying to act like theyre taking some moral high road here. when really, all thats happening is basic supply and demand. the demand went down and they raised the prices, which was crazy. now they dont even have a choice
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#114 Pixel-Pirate
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that's nice to know. hopefully people will start actually being fans of the bands they listen to by purchasing music.

dissonantblack

Unofrtunately it's most likely the bands will be getting even less money from an album sale. Then again they previously got like a dime anyways.

Support your band by following them around the country paying 100+ dollars for live shows.

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#115 StopThePresses
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Meh. CDs just aren't that convenient for me; whenever I buy them, I always end up just ripping the music onto my hard drive and putting the CD away somewhere. I pretty much get all my music through Amazon MP3, and I don't anticipate cheaper CD prices stopping that.

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Does Amazon MP3 let you re-download your music however many times you want like Steam does with games, or are they cheapskates like iTunes? (Why does everyone insist on continuing to use only MP3 anyway? It's such an inferior format to other audio compression schemes that are out there.)
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#116 majoras_wrath
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Meh. CDs just aren't that convenient for me; whenever I buy them, I always end up just ripping the music onto my hard drive and putting the CD away somewhere. I pretty much get all my music through Amazon MP3, and I don't anticipate cheaper CD prices stopping that.

StopThePresses
(Why does everyone insist on continuing to use only MP3 anyway? It's such an inferior format to other audio compression schemes that are out there.)

Not really. It's been shown (and I'll find the studies if you really want) that even the most trained audiophile can't reliably tell the difference between a 356kbs mp3 and a FLAC. FLAC's seem like a waste of space.
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#118 mexicangordo
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"Finally"? They've been "fighting" music piracy since the days of cassette tapes and dubbing... and have been failing ever since. Piracy is not preventable... it is best just to give pirates incentive to buy instead of pirate, instead of punishing legal customers with DRM and other "preventatives" that don't stop pirates in the least.

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Whining, crying, and suing is NOT fighting against piracy. A lot of people are seriously not getting the point. What Universal is doing is they are ignoring the people who do pirate because Universal is making the assumption that the people who pirate heavily have "no interest" in the music/media anyway and will download whatever no matter what.

What Universal is aiming to target is everyone else (and everyone else is a much much bigger audience), its trying to persuade that buying the record for cheap is the better deal, with a huge lowered cut.In short, they are competing against not just piracy but also digital downloading stores.If this works, it will promote interest in music/c.ds again, and it will promote better appreciation.

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#119 DivergeUnify
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To be honest, even if they cost $1 I will still download...gamebreakerz__
If CDs cost a dollar that would be ****ing awesomesauce
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#120 mexicangordo
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that's nice to know. hopefully people will start actually being fans of the bands they listen to by purchasing music.

dissonantblack

Thats heavily the idea that they are trying to push. The spark of interest will lead to more purchase.

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#121 Bardock47
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Sounds good, Iv'e a;ways preferred an actual cd then just a digital copy, makes me feel like I own it..more?

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#122 StopThePresses
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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Meh. CDs just aren't that convenient for me; whenever I buy them, I always end up just ripping the music onto my hard drive and putting the CD away somewhere. I pretty much get all my music through Amazon MP3, and I don't anticipate cheaper CD prices stopping that.

majoras_wrath

(Why does everyone insist on continuing to use only MP3 anyway? It's such an inferior format to other audio compression schemes that are out there.)

Not really. It's been shown (and I'll find the studies if you really want) that even the most trained audiophile can't reliably tell the difference between a 356kbs mp3 and a FLAC. FLAC's seem like a waste of space.

I wasn't talking about FLAC and I wasn't talking about 356 kbps. FLAC is not even audio compression if we are talking about a CD source. That's why the second word in the acronym is "lossless".

I've tried different formats at 128 kbps, and if I notice any difference at all, it's generally that mp3 sounds worse in certain parts.

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#123 GabuEx
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Does Amazon MP3 let you re-download your music however many times you want like Steam does with games, or are they cheapskates like iTunes?StopThePresses

I don't know; I've never tried.

(Why does everyone insist on continuing to use only MP3 anyway? It's such an inferior format to other audio compression schemes that are out there.)StopThePresses

Meh. MP3 gets the job done, and it's well-known, hence it makes people comfortable. There are many times throughout history where something technically better lost out to something better-known.

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#124 PBSnipes
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This would have been a great idea 10 years ago. I bet the next thing they announce is a new Friendster initative.

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#125 Toriko42
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I never buy music but now that the prices are getting to be more fair, I just might again
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#126 sammyjenkis898
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I'll always buy a physical copy. I just prefer going into a store, buying the album, opening it up and looking at the booklet/case. I also like having shelves filled with CDs. :)
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#127 Bloodseeker23
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I buy records that interest me, so all my music is not really from net. Maybe 1/5 of my music library is legit :P
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#128 tsduv21
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Well, that just means I'll get to buy more music. Sounds good to me. :)
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I still think its funny that theyre trying to make capitalist models actually work for music sales again. At this point, buying and selling isnt really practical. But capitalism just naturally works, right?
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#131 StopThePresses
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I still think its funny that theyre trying to make capitalist models actually work for music sales again.

At this point, buying and selling isnt really practical. But capitalism just naturally works, right?Atheists_Pwn

Well, the ability to exchange items or services for other items or services is generally accepted by pretty much every culture in history so yeah, it kind of does.

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#132 Nifty_Shark
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I still think its funny that theyre trying to make capitalist models actually work for music sales again. At this point, buying and selling isnt really practical. But capitalism just naturally works, right?Atheists_Pwn

I don't see the harm in trying to entice some customers. A person like me will be happy that they can get their physical copies cheaper from a certain company. Say I only have 30 bucks to spend on CDs one particular day. There are many cds that interest me but I want to get as many as possible. Well most likely I'll get the cheaper ones while the more expensive ones have to wait. One company won that day.

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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]I still think its funny that theyre trying to make capitalist models actually work for music sales again. At this point, buying and selling isnt really practical. But capitalism just naturally works, right?

Buying and selling isn't practical? It's been in existence since humans existed and it isn't going away. Not even when some people choose to steal will it disappear.
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]I still think its funny that theyre trying to make capitalist models actually work for music sales again. At this point, buying and selling isnt really practical. But capitalism just naturally works, right?Nifty_Shark

I don't see the harm in trying to entice some customers. A person like me will be happy that they can get their physical copies cheaper from a certain company. Say I only have 30 bucks to spend on CDs one particular day. There are many cds that interest me but I want to get as many as possible. Well most likely I'll get the cheaper ones while the more expensive ones have to wait. One company won that day.

You can burn the cd for a lot cheaper. I dont necessarily see the example you gave as being very significant. I think markets are generally one of the least efficient ways to do anything, most of what I enjoy in life has received public funding in order to get started.
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#135 StopThePresses
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[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]I still think its funny that theyre trying to make capitalist models actually work for music sales again. At this point, buying and selling isnt really practical. But capitalism just naturally works, right?Atheists_Pwn

I don't see the harm in trying to entice some customers. A person like me will be happy that they can get their physical copies cheaper from a certain company. Say I only have 30 bucks to spend on CDs one particular day. There are many cds that interest me but I want to get as many as possible. Well most likely I'll get the cheaper ones while the more expensive ones have to wait. One company won that day.

You can burn the cd for a lot cheaper. I dont necessarily see the example you gave as being very significant. I think markets are generally one of the least efficient ways to do anything, most of what I enjoy in life has received public funding in order to get started.

You seem to have the concept of Laissez-faire economics confused with general capitalism...
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[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]I still think its funny that theyre trying to make capitalist models actually work for music sales again. At this point, buying and selling isnt really practical. But capitalism just naturally works, right?Atheists_Pwn

I don't see the harm in trying to entice some customers. A person like me will be happy that they can get their physical copies cheaper from a certain company. Say I only have 30 bucks to spend on CDs one particular day. There are many cds that interest me but I want to get as many as possible. Well most likely I'll get the cheaper ones while the more expensive ones have to wait. One company won that day.

You can burn the cd for a lot cheaper. I dont necessarily see the example you gave as being very significant. I think markets are generally one of the least efficient ways to do anything, most of what I enjoy in life has received public funding in order to get started.

I don't want to burn the CD though. I want the official CD with the booklet.

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#137 StopThePresses
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There's something wholly bizarre about this sort of argument: "Capitalism doesn't work because I don't obey the law. Ergo, we should have different laws."

Uh...what?

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#138 markop2003
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Sounds like a good idea but i'm gonna wait for this to actually happpen before judging considering they're owned by Vivendi which sin't really known for being reasonable with copyright infringement.
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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] (Why does everyone insist on continuing to use only MP3 anyway? It's such an inferior format to other audio compression schemes that are out there.)

Not really. It's been shown (and I'll find the studies if you really want) that even the most trained audiophile can't reliably tell the difference between a 356kbs mp3 and a FLAC. FLAC's seem like a waste of space.

Well i haven't done it with 356kbps but i can tell the differance between my FLACs (900-1000kbps) and mp3 (320kbps) versions.
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]

I don't see the harm in trying to entice some customers. A person like me will be happy that they can get their physical copies cheaper from a certain company. Say I only have 30 bucks to spend on CDs one particular day. There are many cds that interest me but I want to get as many as possible. Well most likely I'll get the cheaper ones while the more expensive ones have to wait. One company won that day.

StopThePresses

You can burn the cd for a lot cheaper. I dont necessarily see the example you gave as being very significant. I think markets are generally one of the least efficient ways to do anything, most of what I enjoy in life has received public funding in order to get started.

You seem to have the concept of Laissez-faire economics confused with general capitalism...

If you consider public funding, and government motivation in the market place to be capitalism, then we might as well call everything capitalism.

It doesnt change the fact that markets by themselves are pretty freaking useless for the majority of important fields. At least the ones I deem important

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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]

I don't see the harm in trying to entice some customers. A person like me will be happy that they can get their physical copies cheaper from a certain company. Say I only have 30 bucks to spend on CDs one particular day. There are many cds that interest me but I want to get as many as possible. Well most likely I'll get the cheaper ones while the more expensive ones have to wait. One company won that day.

Nifty_Shark

You can burn the cd for a lot cheaper. I dont necessarily see the example you gave as being very significant. I think markets are generally one of the least efficient ways to do anything, most of what I enjoy in life has received public funding in order to get started.

I don't want to burn the CD though. I want the official CD with the booklet.

Why? it has no real purpose.
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#142 DarkGamer007
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If they want to resurect the physical medium, CD's aren't going to do it! They need to resurect Vinyl! (Plus that way the crap known as the loudness war ends, and music is no longer destroyed.)

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#143 rawsavon
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@mexicangordo Nice reporting. I think this is a step in the right direction...even though it is not my personal preference -that being a music/cd rental type system...in that, you pay a few dollars to 'try out' a cd...you like it, you pay to keep the cd...you don't like it, the rental period ends and that's it...similar to renting a movie off of PSN only with an option to buy -example: pay $2-3 to rent...like it and pay the other $7-8 to keep it...don't like it , don't pay, rental period ends I can't tell you how often I get disappointed with cd's I buy -I have no problem paying for something I like....just don't like paying for crap -and it takes me a few listens through a cd to decide if I like it or not
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#144 markop2003
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] I'm way too accustomed to just pay a small fee, get a code sent to my cellphone and download the song i like. Not go to a CD store, browse thru the place alphabetically only to find that half of what you were looking for is in another store, and then after purchase subsequently discover that you only liked half the songs on the CD, the rest is garbage you paid for.

You can stream most music to try it from Youtube also you could buy your CDs off amazon.
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#145 Atheists_Pwn
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If they want to resurect the physical medium, CD's aren't going to do it! They need to resurect Vinyl! (Plus that way the crap known as the loudness war ends, and music is no longer destroyed.)

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Vinyl gets worn out.
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#146 markop2003
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Why? it has no real purpose.

It's part of the package, also pressed CDs last substantially longer than writable ones.
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[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] You can burn the cd for a lot cheaper. I dont necessarily see the example you gave as being very significant. I think markets are generally one of the least efficient ways to do anything, most of what I enjoy in life has received public funding in order to get started.Atheists_Pwn

I don't want to burn the CD though. I want the official CD with the booklet.

Why? it has no real purpose.

I like the music and somebody was able to provide me a physical copy so they get paid for it. The collection I have is really cool to me. Kind of like having a collection of books or videogames.

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#148 mattbbpl
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I LOVE this idea. I'm a big fan of physical formats.
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#149 viva_hate
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That's nice, but I hope indie labels start doing the same thing. I paid 22 bucks for Xiu Xiu's last album, and it just came out, it's not rare or anything :(

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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

If they want to resurect the physical medium, CD's aren't going to do it! They need to resurect Vinyl! (Plus that way the crap known as the loudness war ends, and music is no longer destroyed.)

Atheists_Pwn

Vinyl gets worn out.

Yes but it is a very slow process if you take care of your albums. My oldest LP is 41 (edit Math FTW!) years old, and sans one small section destroyed grove in one song, plays fantastic with very little surface noise, and has more depth and clarity than anything I've heard that is digital. Also Vinyls are starting to get packaged with MP3 code downloads so you can put the music onto a portable device, its a win-win situation.