Flat Earth & Thought

The world is Flat. Society denies this, but it is evident when you look at the world with an open mind. Plainar Theorists, those who subscribe to Flat Earth models of thought, represent a small but quickly growing community. The deceptions of the scientific community are drawing to an end. The days of believing something because "science says so" are few.

As I said, the world is Flat. "How can You believe this?" you will ask. "We have pictures from space!"

But I will ask: how can you believe that you live on a giant ball that spins at 1000mph and moves through space at 67,000mph? How can you think that you live on a ball like that and not get flung or sucked off?

But ultimately, its not the shape of the earth that truly matters. What matters is why we think we know what we know... I am here to answer these, and other fundamental questions about the Flat Earth and the universe we live in. Open minds and open questions: thats what matters. I want to show that when we open our minds, asking honest questions, we see that the our world is Flat.

And chemtrails.

So how is it that the North Star disappears under the horizon as you near the equator?

Also, how is it I've gone west, and only west, and ended back where I started?

Why do flat maps distort so much near the poles? Greenland is about as big as Alaska but on a flat map it looks nearly the size of North America.

And so on...

The Earth is round because we have a rotation which provides a night and day cycle. We have a molten core as proofed by volcanoes. We have a gravitational force which keeps things from flying off into space. Water doesn't simply fall over an edge because the Earth is not flat. We've seen images of Earth and other planets from space and I've certainly never seen a flat planet. In all honesty I cannot fathom how anyone in this day and age can believe that Earth is flat.

You will find open-minded people hear, but you'll also find some common sense as well.

Some of that common sense says "how can anyone think the earth is flat?"

And some of that common sense thinks this is either a bot or spam account, and we should lock this thread...

wow, what a stupid topic. Answer this OP, if I am walking towards a mountain, and the earth is flat, why does the mountain appear from the top down the closer I walk to it? Also, how would a planet that is rotating in orbit around the sun in a vacuum, do so whilst being flat?

Not sure if trolling or just stupid?

I don't see how the government could benefit from such a large conspiracy. So you're saying that that thousands, if not millions of engineers and aviators are keeping this a secret and no leak of whatever has come out?

Bullshit conspiracy theories like this are inherently non sensical. It is simply not sensble to conclude that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, would be able to cover up such a conspiracy for more than a half century, without a single person blowing the lid off. Flat earth theory, along with other unsupportable positions, contribute nothing but their own ignorance to every type of discourse they infest.

Not sure if serious.

I dare you to go find Buzz Aldrin and tell him he never stepped foot on the Moon.

Come on, now you're just being immature.

But seriously, that's always been my main gripe with planet earth. I don't sucked off enough.

@foxhound_fox said:

@krishnasprophet said:

But I will ask: how can you believe that you live on a giant ball that spins at 1000mph and moves through space at 67,000mph? How can you think that you live on a ball like that and not get flung or sucked off?

I dare you to go find Buzz Aldrin and tell him he never stepped foot on the Moon.

Shit, you dont even need to go that far. Anybody who has ridden an airplane that went high up enough would see the curvature of the planet. It's quite amazing when it happens. OP needs to learn about angular momentum, intertia, and velocity. I mean hell, the Greeks were able to deduce the fact of the world being round by merely looking at ships on the horizon.

@foxhound_fox: I saw that when I read your earlier quote and really couldn't believe what I read. And I'm still laughing about my stupid post, I crack myself up.

@hillelslovak: When ships disappear over the horizon, they are merely receding from view. Atmosphere obscures distance. A ship that "disappears" over the horizon can be restored into view as this video shows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql_TTguKxnE This proves that the ship did not disappear due to curvature.

@foxhound_fox: Why should we believe what a handful of actors did/said?

@hillelslovak: Large groups of people perpetuate something untrue by believing it. Conspiracies only require that enough people think they are true. I'm not trying to call anyone here stupid or anything, I'm just trying to point out that we have all had the wool pulled over our eyes.

@Gaming-Planet: I'm saying that a lot of people subscribe to the system of belief they are told is true. Lots of people have no problem questioning the political aspects of their early education. But when it comes to science, the supposedly "hard and fast facts", suddenly no one wants to listen when someone points out science's flaws.

@krishnasprophet: Explain how mountains, static objects, do the same. When approaching one from far away, ones sees the top first, and the rest rolls into distance. Explain. Also, explain as to why you flat earthers believe our moon, the other planets, and our sun are spherical, and not our planet?

@FireEmblem_Man: Neither. Just trying to keep an open mind and have honest discussions.

@hillelslovak: I'm not trying to be stupid. Just expressing what I believe. To answer your question, which is a good one, atmosphere obscures distance. Atmosphere (like with a boat out on the water) is thickest closest to the ground (or water surface). As you get nearer, the atmosphere (humidity, smog, pollen, smoke, dust, etc) becomes less as you near an object. Thats why things get obscured bottom up (when receding) ant top down (when approaching).

@mrbojangles25: Common sense is good. To me it is common sense that calls round earth belief into question. I'm not a bot or a spammer. I like having these discussions. I find that there is not a lot of awareness in the gaming community (of which I am an avid part).

@krishnasprophet: So, do you think the thousands of pilots, astronomers, astro physicists, astronauts, and scientists are perpetuating a conspiracy? If so, name the benefits that would be attained by disregarding such an easily attainable fact. Also, please explain to me how I saw the curvature of the planet the times where I was flying high in an airplane.

And no, I do not care what you believe. Belief means nothing when facts are available.

Out of curiosity, how old are you TC?

@Archangel3371: Thanks for the reply, all good questions. According to Planar Theory, the sun, moon, anti moon (which causes lunar eclipses) are all smaller and much closer to the surface of the earth. The sun does not emit light equally in all directions, it acts more as a spot light as it moves above the surface of the disk. This gif loosely illustrates how the sun works: http://31.media.tumblr.com/878f0959428bc050f40ef7ecc4055454/tumblr_inline_o28hr7zb8p1qkctzv_500.gif

A molten layer exists on the Flat earth. It is between two large (hundreds of miles thick) layers of various lithic materials.

I do not agree that gravity (as the spherists describe it) exists. How could we possible stay standing on a world that moves at 67,000mph through the solar system? Anything standing on the side of the earth opposite the direction of that motion would get pulled off.

Water does not fall of the edge of the earth. The disk of the earth is surrounded by a massive ring of ice and tundra that extends outward for thousands of miles. Spherists mistake this ring for the continent of Antarctica. This wring encloses the earth and holds in the oceans.

I am strongly suspicious of any photographs claiming to be taken from out space. All humor aside, George Lucas has made photos that look just as convincing.

Anyways, thats what I think. I hope I have not offended you with my ideas. I know they seem strange. I get that a lot wherever I talk about Planar Theory. To me, more important than understanding the shape of the earth, is understanding why we think we know what we know. Having a solid basis for our understanding of the universe is most important of all. By the way, I like your avatar... :)

@krishnasprophet:

Why would the sun behave like a spotlight? Is it also flat?

@br0kenrabbit: Thanks for the reply and questions m8. To answer your first question, the Sun, Moon, Anti Moon (which causes lunar eclipses), and stars are all smaller and much closer to the surface of the earth. All orbit in varying patterns above earth's surface. As you move to regions "south" along the surface of the disk, the north star recedes from view.

Its however the person making the map chooses to represent the continents. Pictures of the ball earth supposedly taken from space often distort the size of continents as well.

Again, thanks for the reply. Not trying to upset anyone. To me asking questions and having discussions about why we think we know what we know, is key to understanding the universe.

If people still believe that 9/11 is an inside job even with the thousands of people that would have needed to been on it, then it isn't hard for people to believe that the Earth is flat.

This is the stupidest fucking thread ever posted on these boards. Lock this shit.

@ad1x2: I do not see conspiracies as grand schemes involving thousands. A true conspiracy is one that is readily believed by the majority. We all know that news reports by major news agencies are flawed, but many people still believe them. A true conspiracy has just enough truth to seem probable.

You're either the worst troll ever, or a complete dumb ass. I don't know which is worse.

@n64dd: I am not trying to offend. Just posting what I think and asking questions. Honest discussion is all I want. Sorry if I have offended you.

You're offending the human race.

@krishnasprophet: I'm not gonna try to counter your argument that the Earth is flat, because frankly that's such a dumbass opinion that it's not even worth taking the time to counter it. However, you did sort of bring up a kind of valid statement: "What matters is why we think we know what we know."

And yeah...that's pretty legit. A lot of what people "know" probably IS bullshit. And even if it's not bullshit, a lot of people don't really KNOW that it's not bullshit because they never really tested it for themselves.

So yeah...it's important to be skeptical. Having said that, the first thing I have to say is that one doesn't have the time to personally test every single "truth" they hear. So it's kind of okay to just go along with conventional "knowledge" if it really doesn't affect you one way or another if the "facts" are incorrect. For example, if you're just a worm harvester in some P.O.S. rural town and you never travel more than 10 miles from your home, it probably doesn't affect you one way or another whether you know if the Earth is flat or round. By contrast, if your business is launching satellites into space, then you'd ****ing better know if Earth is flat or round.

Anyway, even if such details aren't really practical to your personal way of life, I always encourage people to find out the truth if they're so inclined. You know, knowledge for knowledge's sake. However, even then, a flat Earth vs a round Earth has profound implications on how gravity works. And if one is so inclined, one can actually test currently accepted theories of gravity and see that, "yep, gravity works the way that people say it does". And since gravity would only work that way if the Earth were round....then I think you see where I'm going with this.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for questioning "what we know". What I am NOT for is laziness as a substitute. If one just plain doesn't give a shit if the Earth is round, and the "truth" has absolutely zero impact on how they go about their lives, then...whatever. But if one is claiming to actually want to know the truth, then...this is shit that anyone on Earth can personally verify for themselves. Take the time to test this shit out for yourself and stop using "but we can't just trust what everyone says" as an excuse to be ****ing lazy.

And this is even WORSE than laziness. Because flat earthers aren't just lazy, they're willfully ignorant. It's not even that they're lazy, because if they REALLY cared about the truth, they could have verified that the Earth is round in a small fraction of the time that spend going around telling everyone that the Earth is flat. So it's not even about laziness. It's about having such a need to feel privileged and special that they have to dispute the truth, but then being so lazy about being rebellious and free-thinking that they pick the absolutely STUPIDEST thing to dispute. So in a way, it's STILL being lazy. Because even though they work their asses off trying to feel privileged by being distrustful of "conventional knowledge", they're still too ****ing lazy to put their efforts towards finding something WORTHWHILE to challenge.

"how can you believe that you live on a giant ball that spins at 1000mph and moves through space at 67,000mph? How can you think that you live on a ball like that and not get flung or sucked off?"

Well, for starters, because I know at least a TINY bit about how gravity actually works. There's a ****ing theoretical framework already established. One that people can actually TEST by performing their own experiments and seeing if they conform to theory. Stop being lazy. There are plenty of wrongly believed accepted "facts", and there are plenty of things that people are wrong about. Take the time to focus on something that you might even have a slight chance of being right about. But using a skeptical attitude to challenge the notion that planets are round is lazy as shit, dude. You really ought to try harder.

You're getting trolled. I'm waiting for him to make a thread about how the moon is made out of cheese, and the sun revolves around the earth.

@arad96: The sun, moon, and stars are all spherical. However, they are all smaller and much closer to the surface of the disk. The sun is likely composed of some kind of solid substance (however, Planar Theorists do not pretend to know for sure what we cannot see) and does not emit light equally in all directions. This is called Variable Luminosity: imagine a the sphere on which only a specific quadrant emits light. Thats how variable luminosity works. It makes sense, if the sun was fully luminous we would see it at all times and from all places. At best the earth would experience only twilight. But as it is, it is able to recede from view as it orbits above the surface of the earth.

Thanks for your question. To me, even more important than the shape of the earth is questioning and understanding why we think we know what we know.

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In the good old days we burned people alive for not knowing this obvious fact. The science was settled. It's amazing how far we have fallen since those enlightened times when anyone who disagreed with predominate theories were ridiculed or worse.

This is probably going to come off as condescending, but I'm genuinely curious. What is it that the Round Earth Conspiracy gains by tricking people into believing the Earth is flat? I thought maybe it's NASA seeking funding, but the conspiracy would have to predate space exploration by a few centuries. It would have had to start as soon as long distance ship travel became possible. So lets start there. What was gained by convincing people the Earth is flat? And what continues to be gained that would convince an ever increasing pool of conspirators to perpetuate this?

@n64dd: I'm almost certain that he's trolling, but my comments still sort of apply since there ARE all sorts of stupid things that people believe out of sheer laziness. What I posted is actually sort of a message to EVERYONE, including myself.

I understand that no one has the time to know everything, and that's okay. But if you actually give a shit, stop being so ****ing lazy and find this shit out for yourself. Incredulity is not a valid argument when one is only incredulous because they were too lazy to find out how shit actually works.

@MrGeezer: Thanks for the reply. I respect your view, but I disagree that knowledge doesnt matter if it holds no practical value. Common knowledge is part of what defines a society. Maybe a farmer will never need to care about the shape of the earth, but it could matter what his son or daughter is raised to think. A large majority of people only want to know enough to feel secure in themselves: to me this applies to science and religion equally. So take a farmer that lives in the P.O.S middle of no where. To him, medicine (for whatever reason) is evil and he imposes that view on his children. Knowing what medicine to take is impractical. Until you get sick. It is the same with the shape earth, what seems impractical now might become very practical and necessary in the future. Thats one reason that real knowledge, ANY knowledge, is worth knowing. We are humans. We have A LOT of space and capacity for knowledge, and having a society that pursues information equally, is a society that can innovate and change for the better.

But I'm not trying to fight. Just question and think. And I can tell that you are someone who thinks...

@judaspete: Good question. In modern times, I would reply that it is indeed funding. However, the reason that the idea emerged in the past is a bit different. The idea that the earth is round became solidified as a tool of political power in the 17th century. It was then that Newton and other early Alchemists began blending ideas about the natural world with early scientific thought. This was all in an attempt to both supplant and create an alternative to the political power of the catholic church. With the downfall of the churches power, the new ruling elite needed a system of thought that could effectively create a standard of unified belief. Back then, it mostly served to unify the elite among themselves, but it later began to be applied on a wider scale. By the late 18th and early 19th centuries, the idea of a round earth and gravitation became core aspects of public education. At this period, early corporations were beginning to emerge, and much of the driving philosophy behind mechanization and industrialization (that exploited the lower classes) was predicated on scientific/reductionist modes of thought. And the rest, so to speak, is history.

@hillelslovak: Thanks for the question. I'm not trying to upset. Just discuss. The reason mountains appear top first is due to atmosphere. It obscures distance. A camera with a zoom can alleviate this to a point, but eventually the object is just too far away to be seen. It has nothing to do with curvature.

The earth is rare. Its shape is unique: as far as earth based telescopes can see, no other planetary bodies with the same shape are near us. But the fact that other planetary bodies are spherical need not dictate that earth be round. Basically all Crows are black. But a few White Crows do exist. The earth is similar: it is unique among its peers.

Again, thanks for the response m8...

@hillelslovak: Its cool if you disagree. I just want to think and discuss. To answer your question about specialists being involved in a grand conspiracy - the grandest conspiracies are those which the majority of people believe in. If misinformation gets elevated to the level of commonly accepted truth, it becomes harder to even call it a conspiracy. To me, thats what makes discussing Flat earth realities so important. Society at large believes something that is inaccurate. I'm not calling anyone stupid. I once believed in the round earth myself. My hope is to wake people up and help them to see that their socially driven conception of the material universe is in error. At the very least I want to encourage people to evaluate their basis of knowledge. And again, I'm not trying to inflame our incite.

You mentioned that belief is nothing when facts are available. How do you know that your fact based system of belief is sound? I also think that knowledge should be based on what we can intuitively observe. A system of thinking that is based on facts is still as system of belief. How do we all evaluate that system and know that it is right? Anyways, as always thanks for the reply.

Yeah, I was wondering this myself. People who believe the Earth is flat have absolutely no understanding of the third dimension and gravity.

@speedfreak48t5p: Serious. And hoping for constructive and friendly discussion.

Recognizing facts is not a belief system. Where is this anti moon, why has it not been discovered by every civilization known to man, and how can it be measured? And how can a movement founded by a 19th century quack, whose main proponents are reality stars and never was rappers, possibly hope to counter all the astronomers and astro physicists?

Once again, I ask you, what would the millions of people who have done independent inquiries onto the nature of our solar system stand to gain from ignoring and obscuring an incredibly simple fact like the flat character of the earth.

Lastly, if the moon orbits the earth in a vacuum, and is spherical, how could it rotate around us in a vacuum right along our equator if the planet was shaped like a bowl? That makes zero sense, because a planet that was not spherical would have an extremely uneven magnetic effect on orbiting bodies. And no, please do not bring up an anti moon to explain this away. The more entities revolving around an gravitationally unstable object like our planet would increase the instability.

So why exactly would everything else be spherical if the Earth isnt?