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#51  Edited By krishnasprophet
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@hillelslovak said:
@krishnasprophet said:

Its cool if you disagree. I just want to think and discuss. To answer your question about specialists being involved in a grand conspiracy - the grandest conspiracies are those which the majority of people believe in. If misinformation gets elevated to the level of commonly accepted truth, it becomes harder to even call it a conspiracy. To me, thats what makes discussing Flat earth realities so important. Society at large believes something that is inaccurate. I'm not calling anyone stupid. I once believed in the round earth myself. My hope is to wake people up and help them to see that their socially driven conception of the material universe is in error. At the very least I want to encourage people to evaluate their basis of knowledge. And again, I'm not trying to inflame our incite.

You mentioned that belief is nothing when facts are available. How do you know that your fact based system of belief is sound? I also think that knowledge should be based on what we can intuitively observe. A system of thinking that is based on facts is still as system of belief. How do we all evaluate that system and know that it is right? Anyways, as always thanks for the reply.

Recognizing facts is not a belief system. Where is this anti moon, why has it not been discovered by every civilization known to man, and how can it be measured? And how can a movement founded by a 19th century quack, whose main proponents are reality stars and never was rappers, possibly hope to counter all the astronomers and astro physicists?

Once again, I ask you, what would the millions of people who have done independent inquiries onto the nature of our solar system stand to gain from ignoring and obscuring an incredibly simple fact like the flat character of the earth.

Lastly, if the moon orbits the earth in a vacuum, and is spherical, how could it rotate around us in a vacuum right along our equator if the planet was shaped like a bowl? That makes zero sense, because a planet that was not spherical would have an extremely uneven magnetic effect on orbiting bodies. And no, please do not bring up an anti moon to explain this away. The more entities revolving around an gravitationally unstable object like our planet would increase the instability.

Thanks for the questions. How we interpret facts is part of our belief system. Perhaps you and I are using different senses of the word "belief"? I do not use "belief" as synonymous with "faith". A belief is a coherent part of our total understanding of reality. People can interpret the same facts in different ways. That interpretation comprises their belief given those facts. You ask how can Planar Theory counter the astronomers and astro-physicists? I does and has. Millions of people have inquired into the nature of the earth, but most accepted the prevailing notions of what the universe should look like. They approached their analysis of earth with the assumption that it was round. A minority of those inquirers did/have noticed that the earth is not round, but quickly got stymied by social stigma. Everyone believes (sometimes in a faith based way) that the earth is round because the specialists believe that the earth is round.

Regarding the moon, it is smaller and closer to earth's surface. It orbits above the disk, opposite the sun. Earths magnetic field is even, though not for the reasons spherists would claim.

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#52 krishnasprophet
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@drrollinstein: Why not? The earth is rare and unique in the observable universe. There could be other Planar planetary bodies, but we have not seen them. I could also ask why all crows are black, but a small few are white. Must all crows be black if black crows are all we have ever seen?

Anyways, thanks for the question, it is a good one...

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@krishnasprophet said:
@hillelslovak said:
@krishnasprophet said:

Its cool if you disagree. I just want to think and discuss. To answer your question about specialists being involved in a grand conspiracy - the grandest conspiracies are those which the majority of people believe in. If misinformation gets elevated to the level of commonly accepted truth, it becomes harder to even call it a conspiracy. To me, thats what makes discussing Flat earth realities so important. Society at large believes something that is inaccurate. I'm not calling anyone stupid. I once believed in the round earth myself. My hope is to wake people up and help them to see that their socially driven conception of the material universe is in error. At the very least I want to encourage people to evaluate their basis of knowledge. And again, I'm not trying to inflame our incite.

You mentioned that belief is nothing when facts are available. How do you know that your fact based system of belief is sound? I also think that knowledge should be based on what we can intuitively observe. A system of thinking that is based on facts is still as system of belief. How do we all evaluate that system and know that it is right? Anyways, as always thanks for the reply.

Recognizing facts is not a belief system. Where is this anti moon, why has it not been discovered by every civilization known to man, and how can it be measured? And how can a movement founded by a 19th century quack, whose main proponents are reality stars and never was rappers, possibly hope to counter all the astronomers and astro physicists?

Once again, I ask you, what would the millions of people who have done independent inquiries onto the nature of our solar system stand to gain from ignoring and obscuring an incredibly simple fact like the flat character of the earth.

Lastly, if the moon orbits the earth in a vacuum, and is spherical, how could it rotate around us in a vacuum right along our equator if the planet was shaped like a bowl? That makes zero sense, because a planet that was not spherical would have an extremely uneven magnetic effect on orbiting bodies. And no, please do not bring up an anti moon to explain this away. The more entities revolving around an gravitationally unstable object like our planet would increase the instability.

Thanks for the questions. How we interpret facts is part of our belief system. Perhaps you and I are using different senses of the word "belief"? I do not use "belief" as synonymous with "faith". A belief is a coherent part of our total understanding of reality. People can interpret the same facts in different ways. That interpretation comprises their belief given those facts. You ask how can Planar Theory counter the astronomers and astro-physicists? I does and has. Millions of people have inquired into the nature of the earth, but most accepted the prevailing notions of what the universe should look like. They approached their analysis of earth with the assumption that it was round. A minority of those inquirers did/have noticed that the earth is not round, but quickly got stymied by social stigma. Everyone believes (sometimes in a faith based way) that the earth is round because the specialists believe that the earth is round.

Regarding the moon, it is smaller and closer to earth's surface. It orbits above the disk, opposite the sun. Earths magnetic field is even, though not for the reasons spherists would claim.

Actually, people assumed the Earth was flat. The Christian church ruthlessly repressed Galileo and the men before him. The reason people started to think the Earth was round was because of the moutning evidence, first in mathematics, pointing to a speherical object moving within a vacuum.

Once again, an object on a planetary scale that is no itself spherical will have wild fluctuations in it's magnetic field. Adding further entities revolving around it, in this case 2 moons, which apparently have an equal magnetic pull, makes no sense when the math is broken down. Your assumptions and hypothesis do not even account for the 3rd dimension, and were created by a man, who lets just say, his math was not on point.

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#54  Edited By DrRollinstein
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Well if gravity affects everything else, why not the Earth. And im fairly certain that we found another Earth-like planet just this week. Next to our closest neighbor star in fact.

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#55 krishnasprophet
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@drrollinstein: Planar Theory rejects the notion of gravitation as conceived of by the spherists. "Gravity" or the reason we dont fly away when we jump, is due to the universal accelerator which causes the disk of the earth to move upward through space at a constant rate.

I am also highly suspect of any discoveries which NASA and other major space exploration venues claim.

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#56  Edited By DrRollinstein
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So basically, you've taken every scientific fact and claim and replaced them with ones of your own(Or other flat earthers) invention, because you're a conspiracy theorist. Right? Its a bit hard to have a discussion about the topic at hand when you have some flat earther replacement for everything science claims as fact, and being highly suspect of NASA doesnt help.

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#57  Edited By Maroxad
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@krishnasprophet said:

But I will ask: how can you believe that you live on a giant ball that spins at 1000mph and moves through space at 67,000mph? How can you think that you live on a ball like that and not get flung or sucked off?

I know this is a troll post but any opportunity to use this video is one I wont squander...

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#58  Edited By SarahF
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We don't fly off the earth because of a combination of gravity, and we are moving at the exact same speed. If the earth ceased rotating suddenly we would continue moving at that speed as would everything on the surface and the atmosphere. On one side of the planet death would be instant as you would essentially collide with the planet at incredible speed and be turned into mush. Other side, you gonna go for a ride. This isn't up for a debate any more.

The earth isn't a sphere btw, that's actually correct. Take away the oceans and atmosphere and it's a very oddly shaped potato. You're just wrong, you can keep posting if you like, but it's a waste of your time. Goodbye.

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#59 WAJ
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I have a hard time taking this topic seriously.

The degree to which you accept or refute/deny a proposition should be proportional to the evidence provided to support it...

When so much evidence is available in support of another, different proposition all together which is mutually exclusive to the original proposition, then it weakens the original proposition to the point where, in this case, it has become ludicrous.

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#60  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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It's been a very long time I seen a funny thread in OT, we don't get these kinds of threads often so I'm enjoying reading the comments from everyone :P

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#61 Treflis
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I'd like to debate but not with people who substitute reality with their own fictional one.

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#62 alim298
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This has to be one of the oldest running conspiracies ever then considering that the Greeks and Muslims too, believed in the spherical earth theory.

Besides, I advise you not to travel with plane because you will get flung. But who cares. It's all a simulation.

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#63  Edited By jhonMalcovich
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How can you say that the flat earth is real if our eyes are not real?

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#64 mrbojangles25
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@krishnasprophet said:

@arad96: The sun, moon, and stars are all spherical. However, they are all smaller and much closer to the surface of the disk. The sun is likely composed of some kind of solid substance (however, Planar Theorists do not pretend to know for sure what we cannot see) and does not emit light equally in all directions. This is called Variable Luminosity: imagine a the sphere on which only a specific quadrant emits light. Thats how variable luminosity works. It makes sense, if the sun was fully luminous we would see it at all times and from all places. At best the earth would experience only twilight. But as it is, it is able to recede from view as it orbits above the surface of the earth.

Thanks for your question. To me, even more important than the shape of the earth is questioning and understanding why we think we know what we know.

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@krishnasprophet: Have you ever heard about around the world travel ? The first one was led by Ferdinand Magellan. Then in modern time it was repeated by dozens of other people. How do you explain satellites ? Are they float above us ? If the earth is moving upwards, how satellites didn't crash on Earth so far ? How can a plane flight west or east and still reach americas, for example, and nor the edge of the world ? Why nobody have seen the edge of the world so far ?

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#66 LexLas
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Come on now, look at this picture and decide. There is only one possibility. I can't even believes this is questionable. Too funny.

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#67 BalaminienBGS
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@krishnasprophet:

What's your occupation?

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@krishnasprophet said:

The world is Flat. Society denies this, but it is evident when you look at the world with an open mind. Plainar Theorists, those who subscribe to Flat Earth models of thought, represent a small but quickly growing community. The deceptions of the scientific community are drawing to an end. The days of believing something because "science says so" are few.

As I said, the world is Flat. "How can You believe this?" you will ask. "We have pictures from space!"

But I will ask: how can you believe that you live on a giant ball that spins at 1000mph and moves through space at 67,000mph? How can you think that you live on a ball like that and not get flung or sucked off?

But ultimately, its not the shape of the earth that truly matters. What matters is why we think we know what we know... I am here to answer these, and other fundamental questions about the Flat Earth and the universe we live in. Open minds and open questions: thats what matters. I want to show that when we open our minds, asking honest questions, we see that the our world is Flat.

Don't expect a Nobel Prize very soon.

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I can't believe I read all of OP's posts in this thread. Good show, would read again.

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@SOedipus said:

And chemtrails.

Chemtrails are real, the fact there are planes that spray something in the night says a lot. I am sure they are spraying contrails at night for the joy ride right?

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78% of flat-earthers are voting Trump, 19% that libertarian guy, and 3% Lyndon LaRouche. And those facts I totally pulled out of my ass but they're probably true anyways.

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@CommandoAgent said:
@SOedipus said:

And chemtrails.

Chemtrails are real, the fact there are planes that spray something in the night says a lot. I am sure they are spraying contrails at night for the joy ride right?

No, it's a form of mind-control. It makes people, in the affected vicinity, believe anything Hillary says.

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#73 JimB
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@lamprey263 said:

78% of flat-earthers are voting Trump, 19% that libertarian guy, and 3% Lyndon LaRouche. And those facts I totally pulled out of my ass but they're probably true anyways.

You are on the same level as the person that started this thread.

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@krishnasprophet said:

@drrollinstein: Planar Theory rejects the notion of gravitation as conceived of by the spherists. "Gravity" or the reason we dont fly away when we jump, is due to the universal accelerator which causes the disk of the earth to move upward through space at a constant rate.

I am also highly suspect of any discoveries which NASA and other major space exploration venues claim.

if the disk was moving upward through space at a constant rate and there was no gravity due to mass, those on the surface of the earth would be traveling at the same velocity as the disk and therefore would feel weightless. just as when traveling in a car you do not feel pressed into the seat when traveling a constant 70mph but only feel forces when under acceleration/deceleration.

the disk would have to be constantly accelerating to create the illusion of gravity. assuming the earth is 4 billion years old and has been accelerating at that rate since the start we'd be traveling MUCH faster than the speed of light by this point....

yeah, we're not.

assuming we all live in a universe where gravity is present and proportional to the mass of an object ( all evidence points to this being true ) and we did live on a massive disk rather than a sphere, those living at the edges would be feeling gravity pulling them sideways rather than downward...

the 1st 2 minutes below explains this perfectly

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Coriolis effect.

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@CommandoAgent said:
@SOedipus said:

And chemtrails.

Chemtrails are real, the fact there are planes that spray something in the night says a lot. I am sure they are spraying contrails at night for the joy ride right?

Wuh....huh....I can't...I just can't.

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#77  Edited By deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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@CommandoAgent said:
@SOedipus said:

And chemtrails.

Chemtrails are real, the fact there are planes that spray something in the night says a lot. I am sure they are spraying contrails at night for the joy ride right?

What, in your opinion, are these jets spraying, and how can it be quantified in the human body?

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@krishnasprophet said:

@br0kenrabbit: Thanks for the reply and questions m8. To answer your first question, the Sun, Moon, Anti Moon (which causes lunar eclipses), and stars are all smaller and much closer to the surface of the earth. All orbit in varying patterns above earth's surface. As you move to regions "south" along the surface of the disk, the north star recedes from view.

Its however the person making the map chooses to represent the continents. Pictures of the ball earth supposedly taken from space often distort the size of continents as well.

Again, thanks for the reply. Not trying to upset anyone. To me asking questions and having discussions about why we think we know what we know, is key to understanding the universe.

Maybe you should ask your mate krishna.....

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#79  Edited By xdude85
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What is going on...

What is this stupid shit...

Are you guys seriously arguing and debating with this retard?

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#80 thereal25
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But I will ask: how can you believe that you live on a giant ball that spins at 1000mph and moves through space at 67,000mph? How can you think that you live on a ball like that and not get flung or sucked off?

It's because the Earth is not the only thing moving. The atmosphere that surrounds the Earth is also moving through space at a very fast speed.

That's why when rockets re-enter the Earth's atmosphere after a trip, they have to do so at a very precise angle and velocity.

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#81 fenriz275
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@xdude85 said:

What is going on...

What is this stupid shit...

Are you guys seriously arguing and debating with this retard?