Or do you wish you guys didn't have one? I know that would not fly well over here in US. Does she live off tax payer money??
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Or do you wish you guys didn't have one? I know that would not fly well over here in US. Does she live off tax payer money??
Shes Canada's Queen too..michael_1234576
Yup, and I love her. Long live the Queen! etc.
And to answer TC's question, yes, the Royal Family lives off taxpayer money. However, you ought to put this in perspective. It costs the average British taxpayer about $1 or $2 per year to have a Queen and Royal Family, who bring in tens of billions of dollars to Britain each year due to tourism. To compare, membership in the EU costs the average British taxpayer over $2,500 per year.
Well as a Canadian, it feels pretty damned stupid and pointless.Paladin_King
Then who wouldbe on the 20 dollar bill?
I'm really uneducated in UK's government, but what exactly is the point? Prime Minister is the guy who's basically the president, so the queen does, what?enterawesomeThey're really nothing more than a figure head. However they make the UK a huge amount of money in tourism every year and they are an important part of history. I think the royal tax is .35 pounds a year so it's not like it's a huge deal. Im Canadian and I like the Royal family even if they are "useless".
I'm really uneducated in UK's government, but what exactly is the point? Prime Minister is the guy who's basically the president, so the queen does, what?enterawesomeShe's a figurehead and diplomat really. Up until recently she still held the top powers such as the power to declare war and to suspend parliament.
Isn't this interesting. it seems the Canadians in this thread are more appreciative of the Queen than Britons. Send her over here if you're so ungrateful. Soon though, you'd be left with no royal scandals to read about in your tabloids and you'll start to miss them, but we won't give them back.clicketyclick
Well as a Canadian, it feels pretty damned stupid and pointless.Paladin_King
incorrect. Frankly, you're a bit of an oddity. I'm not sure i've ever heard a Canadian show such love for the Queen.
Isn't this interesting. it seems the Canadians in this thread are more appreciative of the Queen than Britons. Send her over here if you're so ungrateful. Soon though, you'd be left with no royal scandals to read about in your tabloids and you'll start to miss them, but we won't give them back.clicketyclickCouldn't you take the tabloids too? I certainly don't want them.
Damn. I guess its not that much for taxpayers but still. Lol Americans have a fit if Obama even goes out to dinner with his family using tax money
[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]Isn't this interesting. it seems the Canadians in this thread are more appreciative of the Queen than Britons. Send her over here if you're so ungrateful. Soon though, you'd be left with no royal scandals to read about in your tabloids and you'll start to miss them, but we won't give them back.markop2003Couldn't you take the tabloids too? I certainly don't want them. Sorry, but since we protect freedom of the press over here while you don't, it's impossible to remove them from your land. :( :P
Then you must have missed Ace6301's post, because s/he's Canadian and likes the royals too. So you're actually the minority.incorrect. Frankly, you're a bit of an oddity. I'm not sure i've ever heard a Canadian show such love for the Queen.
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Don't care, but I think the Royal Family is a liability. We pay a hell of a lot to keep them in our tax money. It far outweighs the money gained from tourism.clembo1990Care to show me the math for that? Tourism in Britain is nearly a $140 billion industry, largely driven by the appeal of the Royal Family and their quaint little houses and guards and artifacts and the museums cataloguing their history. Supporting the entire Royal Family costs each British taxpayer a mere $1 or $2 per year.
[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Don't care, but I think the Royal Family is a liability. We pay a hell of a lot to keep them in our tax money. It far outweighs the money gained from tourism.clicketyclickCare to show me the math for that? Tourism in Britain is nearly a $140 billion industry, largely driven by the appeal of the Royal Family and their quaint little houses and guards and artifacts and the museums cataloguing their history. Supporting the entire Royal Family costs each British taxpayer a mere $1 or $2 per year. Get a Six Flags and then you wouldn't have to Worship a Royal Family
The Queen herself is alright. It's the other members of the family which are embarrassments, mainly Prince Philip, what with all the racist comments and everything that he does.
Other than that, I don't entirely care about them; but it's probably best they stay, as they are a part of our history and they do bring in a lot of tourism.
[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Don't care, but I think the Royal Family is a liability. We pay a hell of a lot to keep them in our tax money. It far outweighs the money gained from tourism.clicketyclickCare to show me the math for that? Tourism in Britain is nearly a $140 billion industry, largely driven by the appeal of the Royal Family and their quaint little houses and guards and artifacts and the museums cataloguing their history. Supporting the entire Royal Family costs each British taxpayer a mere $1 or $2 per year. Since you seem to have taken the position of defending the Queen in pitbull-like fashion,....what's with the intense love of the Queen? I'm not being critical here (differing opinions are differing opinions), I'm just curious.
[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]Don't care, but I think the Royal Family is a liability. We pay a hell of a lot to keep them in our tax money. It far outweighs the money gained from tourism.LastLaugh90Care to show me the math for that? Tourism in Britain is nearly a $140 billion industry, largely driven by the appeal of the Royal Family and their quaint little houses and guards and artifacts and the museums cataloguing their history. Supporting the entire Royal Family costs each British taxpayer a mere $1 or $2 per year. Get a Six Flags and then you wouldn't have to Worship a Royal Family Worship the royal family???? WTF are you on about?
[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]Don't care, but I think the Royal Family is a liability. We pay a hell of a lot to keep them in our tax money. It far outweighs the money gained from tourism.LastLaugh90Care to show me the math for that? Tourism in Britain is nearly a $140 billion industry, largely driven by the appeal of the Royal Family and their quaint little houses and guards and artifacts and the museums cataloguing their history. Supporting the entire Royal Family costs each British taxpayer a mere $1 or $2 per year. Get a Six Flags and then you wouldn't have to Worship a Royal Family Didn't they just file for bankruptcy?
[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]Don't care, but I think the Royal Family is a liability. We pay a hell of a lot to keep them in our tax money. It far outweighs the money gained from tourism.Paladin_KingCare to show me the math for that? Tourism in Britain is nearly a $140 billion industry, largely driven by the appeal of the Royal Family and their quaint little houses and guards and artifacts and the museums cataloguing their history. Supporting the entire Royal Family costs each British taxpayer a mere $1 or $2 per year. Since you seem to have taken the position of defending the Queen in pitbull-like fashion,....what's with the intense love of the Queen? I'm not being critical here (differing opinions are differing opinions), I'm just curious. Aside from bringing tens of billions of dollars into Britain each year, the Queen and members of the Royal Family have served to boost morale and unite their country. That's not just speaking for England. Canada was united under a Queen, and the present Queen has been in Canada to mark so many of our most important moments in history. She has been there with us all throughout our history, marking our achievements and finally giving us our independence. When has the Queen ever done any wrong to us? When has she ever been anything but gracious? I love England (though not the weather) and it would be extremely ungrateful to insult the Queen and her Royal Family. Honestly, people talk about them like they're tyrants that should be disposed of. It's shameful.
[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="clicketyclick"] Care to show me the math for that? Tourism in Britain is nearly a $140 billion industry, largely driven by the appeal of the Royal Family and their quaint little houses and guards and artifacts and the museums cataloguing their history. Supporting the entire Royal Family costs each British taxpayer a mere $1 or $2 per year. clicketyclickSince you seem to have taken the position of defending the Queen in pitbull-like fashion,....what's with the intense love of the Queen? I'm not being critical here (differing opinions are differing opinions), I'm just curious. Aside from bringing tens of billions of dollars into Britain each year, the Queen and members of the Royal Family have served to boost morale and unite their country. That's not just speaking for England. Canada was united under a Queen, and the present Queen has been in Canada to mark so many of our most important moments in history. She has been there with us all throughout our history, marking our achievements and finally giving us our independence. When has the Queen ever done any wrong to us? When has she ever been anything but gracious? I love England (though not the weather) and it would be extremely ungrateful to insult the Queen and her Royal Family. Honestly, people talk about them like they're tyrants that should be disposed of. It's shameful. I think a large amount of the grievance comes from the rather bizarre position the Queen sits in these days. You're right, the Royal Family does have historical, and hence touristic, value....but they also are figures of governmental power....but yet they're not really. I think that at some basic level, for me anyway, it's hard to blend a figure of government (Even one with practically little power) with a historical attraction. Also, I think a good part of the tyrant part may come from the postcolonial world, or diaspora even...though i may only be saying that due to my having spent far too much time in English Lit classes. That and I think that the influence of the US and its ideals of freedom loving democracy may make a constitutional monarchy appear a bit strange....which isn't particularly bright, admittedly.
I don't really mind the Queen but I think it's because of her that the rest of the royal family has turned out like it has, back when she was younger she made decision and had some say like the ones before her.
She got so old though and didn't die (not sure how else to phrase that) that she couldn't really particpate in politics till it got to the point we're in now. And infact whenever a law is about to be issued it must go by the queen first but she can't say whether it goes through or not (worthless really).
If she had passed the torch earlier on I think the royal family would have more of a say but that doesn't change the fact a right A**hole would of taken over!!
I think that at some basic level, for me anyway, it's hard to blend a figure of government (Even one with practically little power) with a historical attraction.Paladin_King
The Queen represents the history of our laws, politics, and democracy. Much of our legal system is derived from ancient British law, which is wrapped up in the history of the interaction between the British Monarchy and the Parliament. Our legal tradition comes from the proud British legal tradition, with its historical delicate balance of power between the monarch and the parliament and courts. And of course, our treaties and declarations and the way in which our political system is structured derives from that history as well.
There is nothing at all unnatural about a figure of government and a historical attraction when you consider that our entire political system owes so much to the historical legacy of the evolution of the democracy/constitution monarchy in Britain.
Also, I think a good part of the tyrant part may come from the postcolonial world, or diaspora even...though i may only be saying that due to my having spent far too much time in English Lit classes. That and I think that the influence of the US and its ideals of freedom loving democracy may make a constitutional monarchy appear a bit strange....which isn't particularly bright, admittedly.Paladin_King
One thing they don't teach you in Postcolonial Literature courses are the academic studies that have found that colonized islands - for all the human rights abuses that transpired - do much better today than the ones that weren't colonized. That's not a political statement. But it's important to realise that the relationship between the colonizing and colonized country wasn't wholly one-way. In any case, the present Queen can hardly be construed as a tyrant.
In fact, I'd say she goes beyond simple benignity. She sets an example of how to behave well. I will always remember the story of Queen Victoria hosting a lavish dinner party for foreign guests. One of the guests didn't know about finger-bowls used to just rinse off your fingers. Instead, he drank the finger-bowl. Everyone was just gawking at him, and probably genteelly tittering into their napkins. But Queen Victoria didn't want her guest to feel uncomfortable at her party, so she followed suit and drank her finger-bowl, and then of course since the Queen did it everyone at the table had to do so too! They don't teach manners like that at an etiquette school.
I will always remember the story of Queen Victoria hosting a lavish dinner party for foreign guests. One of the guests didn't know about finger-bowls used to just rinse off your fingers. Instead, he drank the finger-bowl. Everyone was just gawking at him, and probably genteelly tittering into their napkins. But Queen Victoria didn't want her guest to feel uncomfortable at her party, so she followed suit and drank her finger-bowl, and then of course since the Queen did it everyone at the table had to do so too! They don't teach manners like that at an etiquette school.
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Hah, I'd actually never heard that before. That's a great story.
[QUOTE="Paladin_King"]Well as a Canadian, it feels pretty damned stupid and pointless.Communist_Soul
Then who wouldbe on the 20 dollar bill?
Celine Dion of course.[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]
Then who wouldbe on the 20 dollar bill?
Celine Dion of course.Possibly the best argument there is in favor of keeping Her Majesty around. :P
LOLOn paper she is probably the most powerful person on earth. In theory she has the power to disband the British, New Zealand, canadian, andAustralian governments, and take control of the Commonwealth. But obviously in practice, she could never do that.
I be fine with her as long as she does not get in my way and if she does trust me OT i will get my revenge like i will In the future on that She-Devil who was the prime minster of Britain , Who's name i do not say since it will bring evil to this thread.
I love the Queen and the Royal family, I don't think we should lose the monarchy or any more of our culture, this is England, we should always have a King or Queen.
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