For those of who you still think metal is a worthless genre

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#1 Carnifex726
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyFv7B9R4y8&feature=related

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#2 deactivated-60f8966fb59f5
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...Or you could just try to understand the appeal of music.
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#3 Funky_Llama
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Why the hell would I like that if I don't like metal in general?
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#4 MrPraline
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Good post. R.I.P. Chuck, you are missed.
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#5 Hot-Tamale
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Ummmm, okay? I still don't like cookie monster vocals...

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#6 MrPraline
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Ummmm, okay? I still don't like cookie monster vocals...

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Schuldiner is nowhere near 'cookie monster'. Did you even click on the link?
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#7 nimatoad2000
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while chuck S' death is an amazing band, and arguably the best DM band. Death is not really an accessable band to show people that think metal is worthless. if you want to convert people, you need to give them a song / artist that they cant complain about, because they are going to look for anything to bash. so the vocalist needs to be good, and the music technical, the lyrics not stupid or corny.
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#8 nimatoad2000
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

Ummmm, okay? I still don't like cookie monster vocals...

Schuldiner is nowhere near 'cookie monster'. Did you even click on the link?

shuldiner went cookie on leporacy, and bloody gore is close. altho yes, shuldiner isnt a cookie monster, he's something special himself, between death and black.
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#9 Hot-Tamale
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[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

Ummmm, okay? I still don't like cookie monster vocals...

MrPraline

Schuldiner is nowhere near 'cookie monster'. Did you even click on the link?

If it sounds like the cookie monster, it's cookie monster. It's forced.

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#10 -Chimera-
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Posting a YouTube link to a song isn't going to do much to sway people's opinions. If anything, it's just going to drive them further away. I don't get why some metalheads have to go out of their way to change other people's minds. I love metal, and I've listened to it for most of my life, but I'm not going to try and force a bunch of users on an internet forum to enjoy it the same way I do. Besides, even if I wanted to do that, I wouldn't just post a YouTube link and expect them to appreciate the music on the same level as me.
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#11 MrPraline
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while chuck S' death is an amazing band, and arguably the best DM band. Death is not really an accessable band to show people that think metal is worthless..nimatoad2000
That I must agree on. [QUOTE="nimatoad2000"] shuldiner went cookie on leporacy, and bloody gore is close. altho yes, shuldiner isnt a cookie monster, he's something special himself, between death and black.

I still wouldn't call those cookie to be honest. You're right, his vocal style is something special.
If it sounds like the cookie monster, it's cookie monster. It's forced.Hot-Tamale
But it doesn't sound like the cookie monster.
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Can not click the linkb eacuse I am at work but judging by the posts I see its about Death, one of the greatest metal bands ever. Human is a flawless album!

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#13 megamadman5
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lmao i find this so funny how people think this is so intense and tough. that voice isnt tough, its retarded, and the lyrics are so cheesy i litterally laugh out loud, too most "metal" songs.

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#14 Crimtmp
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I recently found out about a band "Warbringer" gives me faith in Trash.

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#15 MrPraline
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Can not click the linkb eacuse I am at work but judging by the posts I see its about Death, one of the greatest metal bands ever. Human is a flawless album!

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Yeah, it's Death - In Human Form.
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[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"] That I must agree on. [QUOTE="nimatoad2000"] shuldiner went cookie on leporacy, and bloody gore is close. altho yes, shuldiner isnt a cookie monster, he's something special himself, between death and black. MrPraline
I still wouldn't call those cookie to be honest. You're right, his vocal style is something special.
If it sounds like the cookie monster, it's cookie monster. It's forced.Hot-Tamale
But it doesn't sound like the cookie monster.

Metal is my favorite genre, but I personally prefer more melodic fair (trad and prog mostly). I'm not saying that anything's wrong with cookie monster vocals, but they aren't particularly enjoyable to listen to.

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#17 Crimtmp
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Play someone Dream Theater or Symphony X to show them its not a worthless genre lol.

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#18 Hot-Tamale
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Play someone Dream Theater or Symphony X to show them its not a worthless genre lol.

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Dream Theater is crap, dude. This is more like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgzFMPPH340

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Did not convinced me. Try harder. :)
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#20 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

Ummmm, okay? I still don't like cookie monster vocals...

Hot-Tamale

Schuldiner is nowhere near 'cookie monster'. Did you even click on the link?

If it sounds like the cookie monster, it's cookie monster. It's forced.

If it's forced, it's not good. No matter what the singing styIe. Schuldiner's vocals were always on the weaker side of things. Anyway not a song to get into metal with, and I still question why you (TC) said deathcore is horrible if you have Carnifex in your name. :P
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#21 megamadman5
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[QUOTE="Crimtmp"]

Play someone Dream Theater or Symphony X to show them its not a worthless genre lol.

Hot-Tamale

Dream Theater is crap, dude. This is more like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgzFMPPH340

thats somewhat bearable to listen to, but thats probobly the lamest video ever, and its still incredibly cheesy. i think every metal song uses the same lyrics, with such stupid ones as "i die to become immortal" or whatever they say. its the most ununique type of music, imho
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#22 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

[QUOTE="Crimtmp"]

Play someone Dream Theater or Symphony X to show them its not a worthless genre lol.

megamadman5

Dream Theater is crap, dude. This is more like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgzFMPPH340

thats somewhat bearable to listen to, but thats probobly the lamest video ever, and its still incredibly cheesy. i think every metal song uses the same lyrics, with such stupid ones as "i die to become immortal" or whatever they say. its the most ununique type of music, imho

It's generalizations like saying "they all use the same lyrics" that make me mad. If you don't like it, fine, but don't go generalizing it. Most of them are pretty different if you take the time to actually look through the genre.
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#23 Hot-Tamale
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[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

[QUOTE="Crimtmp"]

Play someone Dream Theater or Symphony X to show them its not a worthless genre lol.

megamadman5

Dream Theater is crap, dude. This is more like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgzFMPPH340

thats somewhat bearable to listen to, but thats probobly the lamest video ever, and its still incredibly cheesy. i think every metal song uses the same lyrics, with such stupid ones as "i die to become immortal" or whatever they say. its the most ununique type of music, imho

They're actually a joke band. THe lyrics are supposed to be making fun of the heavy metal genre (mostly stuff like Dio).

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#24 megamadman5
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[QUOTE="megamadman5"][QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

Dream Theater is crap, dude. This is more like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgzFMPPH340

Saturos3091

thats somewhat bearable to listen to, but thats probobly the lamest video ever, and its still incredibly cheesy. i think every metal song uses the same lyrics, with such stupid ones as "i die to become immortal" or whatever they say. its the most ununique type of music, imho

It's generalizations like saying "they all use the same lyrics" that make me mad. If you don't like it, fine, but don't go generalizing it. Most of them are pretty different if you take the time to actually look through the genre.

oh i have, ive tried to like it, become the instrumentals can usually be pretty good, but face it for the most part all the lyrics are the same, cheesy garbage, about angels, demons, hell, god,, the devil and sit like that. and the look is seriously lame :p i mean come on. and dont even get me started on the vocals

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#25 Hot-Tamale
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="megamadman5"] thats somewhat bearable to listen to, but thats probobly the lamest video ever, and its still incredibly cheesy. i think every metal song uses the same lyrics, with such stupid ones as "i die to become immortal" or whatever they say. its the most ununique type of music, imhomegamadman5

It's generalizations like saying "they all use the same lyrics" that make me mad. If you don't like it, fine, but don't go generalizing it. Most of them are pretty different if you take the time to actually look through the genre.

oh i have, ive tried to like it, become the instrumentals can usually be pretty good, but face it for the most part all the lyrics are the same, cheesy garbage, about angels, demons, hell, god,, the devil and sit like that. and the look is seriously lame :p i mean come on. and dont even get me started on the vocals

look into some prog metal, then.

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#26 LZ71
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:lol: I love TC how you think one song will make people change their minds. Anyways, I don't think it's worthless, it doesn't appeal to me. I mean, I like older stuff, like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, and Judas Priest, but I just can't get into alot of the other genres of it. The only metal band I've seen recommended on here that I've liked is Falconer.
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[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

[QUOTE="Crimtmp"]

Play someone Dream Theater or Symphony X to show them its not a worthless genre lol.

megamadman5

Dream Theater is crap, dude. This is more like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgzFMPPH340

thats somewhat bearable to listen to, but thats probobly the lamest video ever, and its still incredibly cheesy. i think every metal song uses the same lyrics, with such stupid ones as "i die to become immortal" or whatever they say. its the most ununique type of music, imho

*facepalms*

Wicked World (Black Sabbath):

The world today is such a wicked thing
Fighting going on between the human race
People give good wishes to all their friends
While people just across the sea are counting the dead

A politicians job they say is very high
For he has to choose whos got to go and die
They can put a man on the moon quite easy
While people here on earth are dying of old diseases

A woman goes to work every day after day
She just goes to work just to earn her pay
Child sitting crying by a life thats harder
He doesnt even know who is his father

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#28 megamadman5
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[QUOTE="megamadman5"][QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

Dream Theater is crap, dude. This is more like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgzFMPPH340

chessmaster1989

thats somewhat bearable to listen to, but thats probobly the lamest video ever, and its still incredibly cheesy. i think every metal song uses the same lyrics, with such stupid ones as "i die to become immortal" or whatever they say. its the most ununique type of music, imho

*facepalms*

Wicked World (Black Sabbath):

The world today is such a wicked thing
Fighting going on between the human race
People give good wishes to all their friends
While people just across the sea are counting the dead

A politicians job they say is very high
For he has to choose whos got to go and die
They can put a man on the moon quite easy
While people here on earth are dying of old diseases

A woman goes to work every day after day
She just goes to work just to earn her pay
Child sitting crying by a life thats harder
He doesnt even know who is his father

i love black sabbath, and bands like iron maiden and stuff, but most of this new stuff is sh!t

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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="megamadman5"] thats somewhat bearable to listen to, but thats probobly the lamest video ever, and its still incredibly cheesy. i think every metal song uses the same lyrics, with such stupid ones as "i die to become immortal" or whatever they say. its the most ununique type of music, imhomegamadman5

It's generalizations like saying "they all use the same lyrics" that make me mad. If you don't like it, fine, but don't go generalizing it. Most of them are pretty different if you take the time to actually look through the genre.

oh i have, ive tried to like it, become the instrumentals can usually be pretty good, but face it for the most part all the lyrics are the same, cheesy garbage, about angels, demons, hell, god,, the devil and sit like that. and the look is seriously lame :p i mean come on. and dont even get me started on the vocals

You definitely have to read up on some lyrics then if that's what you think. A lot of generic bands do that, yes, but of course when has the facade been how judge something?
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#30 Crimtmp
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The Sword is pretty good I think, I mean they arent like crazy heavy or brutal but I enjoy their music.

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#31 Saturos3091
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i love black sabbath, and bands like iron maiden and stuff, but most of this new stuff

megamadman5
So any band that's similar to Black Sabbath (yes there are bands that still sound like Sabbath and are new) is bad?
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#32 megamadman5
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[QUOTE="megamadman5"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"] It's generalizations like saying "they all use the same lyrics" that make me mad. If you don't like it, fine, but don't go generalizing it. Most of them are pretty different if you take the time to actually look through the genre.Saturos3091

oh i have, ive tried to like it, become the instrumentals can usually be pretty good, but face it for the most part all the lyrics are the same, cheesy garbage, about angels, demons, hell, god,, the devil and sit like that. and the look is seriously lame :p i mean come on. and dont even get me started on the vocals

You definitely have to read up on some lyrics then if that's what you think. A lot of generic bands do that, yes, but of course when has the facade been how judge something?

if you give me a metal band with decent lyrics, goof vocals, and either no video or one that isnt lame and trying so hard to be "tough" then maybe i will change my ways, somewhat, but so far i dont see much. and obviously not every single metal song uses lyrics like this, but almost everyone ive seen so far

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#33 megamadman5
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[QUOTE="megamadman5"]

i love black sabbath, and bands like iron maiden and stuff, but most of this new stuff

Saturos3091
So any band that's similar to Black Sabbath (yes there are bands that still sound like Sabbath and are new) is bad?

like who? what new band is on par with black sabbath hm?
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#34 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="megamadman5"][QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

Dream Theater is crap, dude. This is more like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgzFMPPH340

chessmaster1989

thats somewhat bearable to listen to, but thats probobly the lamest video ever, and its still incredibly cheesy. i think every metal song uses the same lyrics, with such stupid ones as "i die to become immortal" or whatever they say. its the most ununique type of music, imho

*facepalms*

Wicked World (Black Sabbath):

The world today is such a wicked thing
Fighting going on between the human race
People give good wishes to all their friends
While people just across the sea are counting the dead

A politicians job they say is very high
For he has to choose whos got to go and die
They can put a man on the moon quite easy
While people here on earth are dying of old diseases

A woman goes to work every day after day
She just goes to work just to earn her pay
Child sitting crying by a life thats harder
He doesnt even know who is his father

Oh dear lord did they just try to rhyme 'easy' with 'diseases' >:

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="megamadman5"] thats somewhat bearable to listen to, but thats probobly the lamest video ever, and its still incredibly cheesy. i think every metal song uses the same lyrics, with such stupid ones as "i die to become immortal" or whatever they say. its the most ununique type of music, imhoFunky_Llama

*facepalms*

Wicked World (Black Sabbath):

The world today is such a wicked thing
Fighting going on between the human race
People give good wishes to all their friends
While people just across the sea are counting the dead

A politicians job they say is very high
For he has to choose whos got to go and die
They can put a man on the moon quite easy
While people here on earth are dying of old diseases

A woman goes to work every day after day
She just goes to work just to earn her pay
Child sitting crying by a life thats harder
He doesnt even know who is his father

Oh dear lord did they just try to rhyme 'easy' with 'diseases' >:

If you've actually heard the song, Ozzy pulls it off fairly decently. :P

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Being a "metalhead" dressed in ugly clothing and chains won't land you a hot girlfriend. Thats why I listen to hip hop/r&b/pop and dress prep.

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#37 Crimtmp
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="megamadman5"]

i love black sabbath, and bands like iron maiden and stuff, but most of this new stuff

megamadman5

So any band that's similar to Black Sabbath (yes there are bands that still sound like Sabbath and are new) is bad?

like who? what new band is on par with black sabbath hm?

The Sword sounds just like a modern day Sabbath if you ask me.

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#38 Crimtmp
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Being a "metalhead" dressed in ugly clothing and chains won't land you a hot girlfriend. Thats why I listen to hip hop/r&b/pop and dress prep.

PhantomSpartan

I lol'ed

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#39 Hot-Tamale
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="megamadman5"]

i love black sabbath, and bands like iron maiden and stuff, but most of this new stuff

megamadman5

So any band that's similar to Black Sabbath (yes there are bands that still sound like Sabbath and are new) is bad?

like who? what new band is on par with black sabbath hm?

Queensryche. Check it out. You might like Threshold too. Both bands have very intelligent and political lyrics (just don't listen to Jet City Woman :roll:).

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Being a "metalhead" dressed in ugly clothing and chains won't land you a hot girlfriend. Thats why I listen to hip hop/r&b/pop and dress prep.

PhantomSpartan

:lol: Just...wow

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#41 Senge
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Metal has a culture that goes hand-in-hand with the music. If you don't understand the music or the culture as a whole or any of its sub-genres and what fuels it, it becomes really hard to appreciate it. It's the same way with rap, hip-hop, punk, etc. The music comes with a culture that has its own ideologies, beliefs, tie-in life experiences, etc. If you are a musician it's easier since you can't help but appreciate the metal genre whether partly or as a whole, just like with any genre of music.

I like Death but I agree that posting one song to prove or entice others that metal's good is odd. There's nothing definitive in that video.

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#42 Samwel_X
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Assuming I was of the belief that Metal was worthless, posting a metal song really wouldn't convince me otherwise.

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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

*facepalms*

Wicked World (Black Sabbath):

The world today is such a wicked thing
Fighting going on between the human race
People give good wishes to all their friends
While people just across the sea are counting the dead

A politicians job they say is very high
For he has to choose whos got to go and die
They can put a man on the moon quite easy
While people here on earth are dying of old diseases

A woman goes to work every day after day
She just goes to work just to earn her pay
Child sitting crying by a life thats harder
He doesnt even know who is his father

chessmaster1989

Oh dear lord did they just try to rhyme 'easy' with 'diseases' >:

If you've actually heard the song, Ozzy pulls it off fairly decently. :P

Dio could do better. He may not have the stage presence of Ozzy, but he's a far better vocalist.

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#44 Chiddaling
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Just listen to some Amon Amarth, Nevermore, Jeff Loomis.
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#45 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="megamadman5"]

i love black sabbath, and bands like iron maiden and stuff, but most of this new stuff

megamadman5

So any band that's similar to Black Sabbath (yes there are bands that still sound like Sabbath and are new) is bad?

like who? what new band is on par with black sabbath hm?

Black Sabbath being my favorite band, I wouldn't say any band is as good as they are. Still, check out EdenBridge (MyEarthDream), Midnattsol (Where Twilight Dwells), Altaria (Divinity), Kamelot (The Black Halo), Dream Theater (Awake), Symphony X (Paradise Lost), Heaven & Hell (The Devil You Know), Nightwish (Oceanborn). Just gave you a few to start with, and avoided listing death/black/other extreme metal and (for the most part) power metal, since it sounds like those wouldn't be your thing (to be fair, apart from death metal, most extreme metal isn't really my thing...). By the way, I gave you recommendations in the form Artist (Album).

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#46 Chiddaling
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[QUOTE="megamadman5"][QUOTE="Saturos3091"] So any band that's similar to Black Sabbath (yes there are bands that still sound like Sabbath and are new) is bad?chessmaster1989

like who? what new band is on par with black sabbath hm?

Black Sabbath being my favorite band, I wouldn't say any band is as good as they are. Still, check out EdenBridge (MyEarthDream), Midnattsol (Where Twilight Dwells), Altaria (Divinity), Kamelot (The Black Halo), Dream Theater (Awake), Symphony X (Paradise Lost), Heaven & Hell (The Devil You Know), Nightwish (Oceanborn). Just gave you a few to start with, and avoided listing death/black/other extreme metal and (for the most part) power metal, since it sounds like those wouldn't be your thing (to be fair, apart from death metal, most extreme metal isn't really my thing...). By the way, I gave you recommendations in the form Artist (Album).

Beast collection, yo. ;)
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#47 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="megamadman5"]

i love black sabbath, and bands like iron maiden and stuff, but most of this new stuff

megamadman5



So any band that's similar to Black Sabbath (yes there are bands that still sound like Sabbath and are new) is bad?


like who? what new band is on par with black sabbath hm?



On par? I don't want to go there since nostalgia eats through people's braincells like termites through wood. Not saying Sabbath isn't great or anything, just that people's opinions of them are often with rose-tinted glasses on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_metal Just check out pretty much any band in that genre that doesn't have much other influences.

Here's one I'm into right now: Sahg.

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#48 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Oh dear lord did they just try to rhyme 'easy' with 'diseases' >:

Hot-Tamale

If you've actually heard the song, Ozzy pulls it off fairly decently. :P

Dio could do better. He may not have the stage presence of Ozzy, but he's a far better vocalist.

I actually saw Heaven & Hell (Dio-era Sabbath under a different name), and Dio had great stage presence. Then again, I haven't seen Ozzy Sabbath in concert, so I can't really compare them...

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Stop trying to convince people into liking things you do, it might not be because they are unknowledgeable on the subject; they simply might just not like it. I love Metal, but it will not be for everyone, especially Metal that involves vocal techniques like growling or shrieking in place of singing. Accept that others will have differing opinions.

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Being a "metalhead" dressed in ugly clothing and chains won't land you a hot girlfriend. Thats why I listen to hip hop/r&b/pop and dress prep.

LZ71

:lol: Just...wow

My female friends saw these kids in the mall that were dressed in metal band shirts, had long greasy hair, and looked straight up demonic (their words, not mine). They said they'd rather sleep with a stereotypical nerd than a stereotypical metalhead.

metal is a worthless genre