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#51 aransom
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[QUOTE="yarou1000"][QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

i think a women should be able to abort her child up to the age of 3.

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i know u joke, but if anything liek this ever happened i would lose faith in humanity....

Seriously though there is logic behind my madness. People kill monkeys all the time and know one really cares. A 3 year old is about as intelligent as a monkey. So by my logic i don't really care if we kill either. and ban them both from public areas like super markets of shopping malls.

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#52 lloveLamp
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i think women that are planning to get abortions deserve to get punched in the stumach
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#53 hydralisk86
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i think women that are planning to get abortions deserve to get punched in the stumachlloveLamp
What if the infant inside the mother was implanted by a rapist? Child molester? You still think the mother should get "punched in the stomache"?
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#54 poptart
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[QUOTE="lloveLamp"]i think women that are planning to get abortions deserve to get punched in the stumachhydralisk86
What if the infant inside the mother was implanted by a rapist? Child molester? You still think the mother should get "punched in the stomache"?

I think that one went a little over your head... :P

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#55 trust_nobody
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[QUOTE="hydralisk86"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"]i think women that are planning to get abortions deserve to get punched in the stumachpoptart

What if the infant inside the mother was implanted by a rapist? Child molester? You still think the mother should get "punched in the stomache"?

I think that one went a little over your head... :P



Mine too.

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#56 peter1191
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[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="yarou1000"] i know u joke, but if anything liek this ever happened i would lose faith in humanity....aransom

Seriously though there is logic behind my madness. People kill monkeys all the time and know one really cares. A 3 year old is about as intelligent as a monkey. So by my logic i don't really care if we kill either. and ban them both from public areas like super markets of shopping malls.

Heinrich Himler had a lamp with a shade made from human skin, that he kept in his study. Where do you keep yours?

Yea, that dude is insane. There is no logic to your madness. Its just madness. Have you left your house in the last decade? Or do you plan on starting a family? Obviously not, since to you the life of a baby is disposable rather than precious. Hell parents kill just to keep their baby save from harm, and you......think their monkeys? Tell me, Mr. logical, if a baby has the same potential as a monkey, or are we just blabbering to a guy who doesn't value life? THere is a place for people like you: insane asylums

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#58 dark-warmachine
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[QUOTE="lloveLamp"]i think women that are planning to get abortions deserve to get punched in the stumachhydralisk86
What if the infant inside the mother was implanted by a rapist? Child molester? You still think the mother should get "punched in the stomache"?

She should put him or her up for adoption.

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#59 No_Hablo_Ingles
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A long time ago, I was strongly against abortion. Then I joined this website, andcame to realizethat those woman are doing the world a favor...

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#60 MrGeezer
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If g@y marriage can be banned (against constitution)

Abortion should be banned, the babie's heart starts beating at 4-5 WEEKS. If a person murders a pregnant woman and is charged with DOUBLE homicide, is abortion not homicide?

Jfisch93

You can just as easily turn that around.

If abortions aren't considered homicide, then why should killing a pregnant woman be considered a double homicide?

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#61 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="lloveLamp"]i think women that are planning to get abortions deserve to get punched in the stumachhydralisk86
What if the infant inside the mother was implanted by a rapist? Child molester? You still think the mother should get "punched in the stomache"?

Well, if we accept that abortions are "murder", then that doesn't change just because the "baby's" father was a rapist.

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#62 MuddVader
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I agree with an earlier poster.

She is committing and act of murder against another human being, premeditated to. So jail time. The man was a knowing accomplice as well, so he should to. Jk, but something of the like.

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So. Do you know my sister? She has 3 kids. Shes a drug addict, all 3 babies have different fathers, she hardly takes care of them, and currently has an arrest warrant out for her. If she were to get pregnant again, is it not only sensible for her to get an abortion? Or would it really be better for her either to have it and my parents get stuck with yet another child when my father is over 50, or the child being put into the system? Or an even better example, is her friend, she has 7 kids. She has custody of none. About half I think are old enough to care for themselves but her parents have always taken care of her kids because she is the same as my sister. All children from different fathers, shes a drug addict, she drinks. Anyways, she is pregnant again, right now! Would it not be for the best for her to get an abortion? Abortions can be seen as murder, but sometimes it's just what needs to be done..
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#63 hydralisk86
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[QUOTE="hydralisk86"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"]i think women that are planning to get abortions deserve to get punched in the stumachMrGeezer

What if the infant inside the mother was implanted by a rapist? Child molester? You still think the mother should get "punched in the stomache"?

Well, if we accept that abortions are "murder", then that doesn't change just because the "baby's" father was a rapist.

Yes, but the mother would be a victim, and will be carrying a child that looked like her rapist. If I were a woman, I would feel extremely disgusted that I would have to carry that child. Wouldn't you?
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#64 MuddVader
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"] What if the infant inside the mother was implanted by a rapist? Child molester? You still think the mother should get "punched in the stomache"?hydralisk86

Well, if we accept that abortions are "murder", then that doesn't change just because the "baby's" father was a rapist.

Yes, but the mother would be a victim, and will be carrying a child that looked like her rapist. If I were a woman, I would feel extremely disgusted that I would have to carry that child. Wouldn't you?

That would be sick for society to force a woman to carry the child of a man who raped her... She would never be able to look that child in the face without thinking of him..
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#65 peter1191
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[QUOTE="xXDante666Xx"]

I agree with an earlier poster.

She is committing and act of murder against another human being, premeditated to. So jail time. The man was a knowing accomplice as well, so he should to. Jk, but something of the like.

MuddVader

So. Do you know my sister? She has 3 kids. Shes a drug addict, all 3 babies have different fathers, she hardly takes care of them, and currently has an arrest warrant out for her. If she were to get pregnant again, is it not only sensible for her to get an abortion? Or would it really be better for her either to have it and my parents get stuck with yet another child when my father is over 50, or the child being put into the system? Or an even better example, is her friend, she has 7 kids. She has custody of none. About half I think are old enough to care for themselves but her parents have always taken care of her kids because she is the same as my sister. All children from different fathers, shes a drug addict, she drinks. Anyways, she is pregnant again, right now! Would it not be for the best for her to get an abortion? Abortions can be seen as murder, but sometimes it's just what needs to be done..

I completely see what you mean, and i'm not denying it, but every life is an opportunity. Thats the simple fact that counters your logic. Because what you say is not only sound, but it is (out of all "pro abortion" arguments) the strongest statement, that of a burden to society. Yes, these kids have the liklihood of ending up like their mother, but there is no guarantee. Just like it is your sister who has taken a turn for the worst-not you-should your parents have aborted? They could not see the future. And neither can you. Your logic is impeccible, make no mistake, and what you say is true: but the idealism in all this is that things can take a turn for the better. Nothing is permanent, nothing is set in stone; perhaps your sister will change, and her children find greater opportunity as a result

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#66 peter1191
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[QUOTE="hydralisk86"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Well, if we accept that abortions are "murder", then that doesn't change just because the "baby's" father was a rapist.

MuddVader

Yes, but the mother would be a victim, and will be carrying a child that looked like her rapist. If I were a woman, I would feel extremely disgusted that I would have to carry that child. Wouldn't you?

That would be sick for society to force a woman to carry the child of a man who raped her... She would never be able to look that child in the face without thinking of him..

I agree. Abortions should be legal in cases of danger to the mother (physically), rape, or incest. Otherwise its recreational and should not be tolerated.

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Yes, but the mother would be a victim, and will be carrying a child that looked like her rapist. If I were a woman, I would feel extremely disgusted that I would have to carry that child. Wouldn't you?hydralisk86

Probably, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that my feelings would justify MURDERING AN INNOCENT BABY.

Hey, personally I am "pro-choice" (I hate stupid labels). But I think that whatever stance you have, at least be consistent. If one wants to characterize abortion as the murder of innocent babies, then at what point do you decide that it's okay to murder an innocent baby, but only as long as it was the product of rape? It's still an innocent baby, it still deserves just as much of a chance at life as any other not-yet-born person, and the mom can go through 9 months of emotional agony in order to KEEP FROM MURDERING A FEAKING BABY.

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#68 peter1191
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[QUOTE="hydralisk86"]Yes, but the mother would be a victim, and will be carrying a child that looked like her rapist. If I were a woman, I would feel extremely disgusted that I would have to carry that child. Wouldn't you?MrGeezer

Probably, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that my feelings would justify MURDERING AN INNOCENT BABY.

Hey, personally I am "pro-choice" (I hate stupid labels). But I think that whatever stance you have, at least be consistent. If one wants to characterize abortion as the murder of innocent babies, then at what point do you decide that it's okay to murder an innocent baby, but only as long as it was the product of rape? It's still an innocent baby, it still deserves just as much of a chance at life as any other not-yet-born person, and the mom can go through 9 months of emotional agony in order to KEEP FROM MURDERING A FEAKING BABY.

You've hit on a touchy point here. Most pro-life advocates want to avoid having abortion as a recreational thing (we just go out, have sex, get pregnanent, then dispose of life). However, justifications exist for what is essentially the killing of this baby. A child that is an offspring of, for example, a father and his daughter, is not only scarred for life from this incest, but can be born with a (slightly) higher chance of defects and is usually born to a young daughter that has been separated from any means of supporting herself (after all, her father is probably in jail by now). I agree with you that a child is a child, and if I was a women I wouldn't abort despite the situation, but some concessions have to be made. Society is not perfect, after all

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#69 MrGeezer
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That would be sick for society to force a woman to carry the child of a man who raped her... She would never be able to look that child in the face without thinking of him..MuddVader

Great, she can put the kid up for adoption.

Hell, a LOT of mothers hate their kids. They blame their kids for the loss of their dreams. Having kids at the wrong time can ruin a person's life, even if the mother wasn't raped. And yeah, lots of mothers are reminded of that every time they look at their kids.

But in the non-rape situation, the pro-life answer is essentially "too bad. Either suck it up and be a good parent, or put your kid up for adoption and let someone else raise it."

Same thing with rape. You say that she might never be able to look at the kid again without being reminded of her rape. Okay. I'm not gonna dispute that. Fair enough. But she DOESN'T have to look at the kid ever again. Give up the kid, and let someone else take it.

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#70 MuddVader
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[QUOTE="hydralisk86"]Yes, but the mother would be a victim, and will be carrying a child that looked like her rapist. If I were a woman, I would feel extremely disgusted that I would have to carry that child. Wouldn't you?MrGeezer

Probably, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that my feelings would justify MURDERING AN INNOCENT BABY.

Hey, personally I am "pro-choice" (I hate stupid labels). But I think that whatever stance you have, at least be consistent. If one wants to characterize abortion as the murder of innocent babies, then at what point do you decide that it's okay to murder an innocent baby, but only as long as it was the product of rape? It's still an innocent baby, it still deserves just as much of a chance at life as any other not-yet-born person, and the mom can go through 9 months of emotional agony in order to KEEP FROM MURDERING A FEAKING BABY.

You know the body goes through massive changes durring pregnancy, right?
http://www.essortment.com/all/bodychangesdur_mli.htm
http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/fitness/protectingbackandpelvis/
Its not like pregnancy is something you can just go through and forget about and move on with your life..

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[QUOTE="hydralisk86"]Yes, but the mother would be a victim, and will be carrying a child that looked like her rapist. If I were a woman, I would feel extremely disgusted that I would have to carry that child. Wouldn't you?MrGeezer

Probably, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that my feelings would justify MURDERING AN INNOCENT BABY.

Hey, personally I am "pro-choice" (I hate stupid labels). But I think that whatever stance you have, at least be consistent. If one wants to characterize abortion as the murder of innocent babies, then at what point do you decide that it's okay to murder an innocent baby, but only as long as it was the product of rape? It's still an innocent baby, it still deserves just as much of a chance at life as any other not-yet-born person, and the mom can go through 9 months of emotional agony in order to KEEP FROM MURDERING A FEAKING BABY.

And you don't care about how the woman will feel? Just tell her to keep the baby, even if she is sick to her stomache? Yes, it seems wrong to kill the baby, but I think there are other factors involved. I mean there is a reason why the argument keeps going with no end, amiright? It's like someone else said, if I were the mother, I will never be able to look at the baby's face without being sick to my stomache...
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[QUOTE="MuddVader"]That would be sick for society to force a woman to carry the child of a man who raped her... She would never be able to look that child in the face without thinking of him..MrGeezer

Great, she can put the kid up for adoption.

Hell, a LOT of mothers hate their kids. They blame their kids for the loss of their dreams. Having kids at the wrong time can ruin a person's life, even if the mother wasn't raped. And yeah, lots of mothers are reminded of that every time they look at their kids.

But in the non-rape situation, the pro-life answer is essentially "too bad. Either suck it up and be a good parent, or put your kid up for adoption and let someone else raise it."

Same thing with rape. You say that she might never be able to look at the kid again without being reminded of her rape. Okay. I'm not gonna dispute that. Fair enough. But she DOESN'T have to look at the kid ever again. Give up the kid, and let someone else take it.

I dunno, having kids is incredibly painful, and i guess that the baby being from a rapist won't help...
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[QUOTE="MuddVader"]That would be sick for society to force a woman to carry the child of a man who raped her... She would never be able to look that child in the face without thinking of him..MrGeezer

Great, she can put the kid up for adoption.

Hell, a LOT of mothers hate their kids. They blame their kids for the loss of their dreams. Having kids at the wrong time can ruin a person's life, even if the mother wasn't raped. And yeah, lots of mothers are reminded of that every time they look at their kids.

But in the non-rape situation, the pro-life answer is essentially "too bad. Either suck it up and be a good parent, or put your kid up for adoption and let someone else raise it."

Same thing with rape. You say that she might never be able to look at the kid again without being reminded of her rape. Okay. I'm not gonna dispute that. Fair enough. But she DOESN'T have to look at the kid ever again. Give up the kid, and let someone else take it.

Again! Pregnancy isnt something you can just go through and forget about, some women DIE during delivery. Also, for someone as in my sister and parents situation Abortion isnt fair, but is it right for my parents to have to take care of even more children because of my sisters stupidity? No, thats what not fair.. See all the bull**** I have seen, all the parents who have 4-5 or even more kids and only have custody of one or none because they are drug addicts and would rather spend their time chaseing the next high instead of raising their children. I'm done, I hate talking about abortion and I shouldnt have even come in here. Its bitter and disgusting, we know this, but it happens and in some cases it needs to be done as Ive said.
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The anti-choice movement(Because it is anti-choice, not pro-life) is about punishing and humiliating women for daring to be sexually liberated. It has little to do with actual care for life.
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You've hit on a touchy point here. Most pro-life advocates want to avoid having abortion as a recreational thing (we just go out, have sex, get pregnanent, then dispose of life). However, justifications exist for what is essentially the killing of this baby. A child that is an offspring of, for example, a father and his daughter, is not only scarred for life from this incest, but can be born with a (slightly) higher chance of defects and is usually born to a young daughter that has been separated from any means of supporting herself (after all, her father is probably in jail by now). I agree with you that a child is a child, and if I was a women I wouldn't abort despite the situation, but some concessions have to be made. Society is not perfect, after all

peter1191

I hope I've hit on a touchy point, because the issue isn't as clean cut as a lot of people make it out to be. People should think about unintended and uncomfortable consequences of where they stand on the issue.

Anyway, I'd wonder how many pregnant women actually DO dispose of their fetuses/embryos/babies without a second thought. It's easy to characterize a normal woman who gets an abortion as being just some woman who doesn't mind killing her own baby, but again, I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Have there ever been any studies done that have attempted to answer how difficult this decision is for most women? I'm not sure, but I'm willing to bet that most women who get abortions don't throw their babies away nearly as easily as they'd throw away a 3-month old casserole.

As far as the child being raised by someone who isn't prepared to raise it, this is EXACTLY the same in both rape and non-rape scenarios. That's not an argument for or against abortion. Since women CAN give up their babies if they feel that they can't care for them, the people who end up KEEPING these kids probably weren't ever going to get an abortion anyway. It's like, FIRST you have the option of aborting. SECOND, you have the option of putting the kid up for adoption. FINALLY, you get to the step where you keep the kid and raise it. If you get to step 3 (even despite feeling that you're not qualified to raise a child) and choose to raise the child anyway, then chances are that there was never very much chance that you'd have an abortion anyway.

Sorry, I don't see how RAPE is an issue. Sure, the mother would suffer, and that's regrettable. But if we are to believe that abortion is MURDER, then I hate to say it, but a better reason is needed.

Now, as far as incest, I think there's slightly more of a justification. SLIGHTLY. But not much. If it's okay to abort the product of incest because of the CHANCE that the resulting baby will have life-crippling defects, then I don't see that as being sufficient. Hell, even normal non-incest couples ALSO have a CHANCE of these kinds of defects occuring. If this excuses abortion in the case of incest, then it excuses abortion in pretty much EVERY case. A "chance" aint good enough. Provide clear near perfect evidence that the child WILL be born with such a defect, and in THAT case, the argument passes. But even then, that'd be no different than with babies that were NOT the product of rape or incest.

Like I said though, I'm actually pro-choice. As someone who thinks that women should be able to choose for themselves if they get an abortion or not, I'm not very willing to judge. A woman may abort her kid because she got raped, or because she just "gets around" too much and didn't want her pregnancy to interfere with her lifesty1e. Either way, I don't consider that any of my business.

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#76 MrGeezer
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You know the body goes through massive changes durring pregnancy, right?
http://www.essortment.com/all/bodychangesdur_mli.htm
http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/fitness/protectingbackandpelvis/
Its not like pregnancy is something you can just go through and forget about and move on with your life..

MuddVader

Boo ****ing hoo.

Show me a picture of a dead baby, and a picture of a woman whose body was permanently changed by pregnancy, and ask me which I'd be more upset about.

When you try to compare something unfortunate to the deliberate killing of a "baby", then whatever you're showing me had better be EXTREMELY unfortunate. This doesn't cut it. Most things don't.

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Again! Pregnancy isnt something you can just go through and forget about, some women DIE during delivery. Also, for someone as in my sister and parents situation Abortion isnt fair, but is it right for my parents to have to take care of even more children because of my sisters stupidity? No, thats what not fair.. See all the bull**** I have seen, all the parents who have 4-5 or even more kids and only have custody of one or none because they are drug addicts and would rather spend their time chaseing the next high instead of raising their children. I'm done, I hate talking about abortion and I shouldnt have even come in here. Its bitter and disgusting, we know this, but it happens and in some cases it needs to be done as Ive said.MuddVader

Yeah, and people who WEREN'T raped die during pregnancy. If we allow the "self-defense" argument to pass in cases of rape, then it passes IN EVERY SINGLE PREGNANCY.

If that's allowed to be used as an argument for victims of rape to get an abortion, then that's an excuse for ANYONE to get an abortion.

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It depends on the reason.

If she made a "mistake", she shouldn't get one because she knew full well she could've prevented it.

If she was raped, she should have the choice to, because she had no control over it, and couldn't prevent it herself.

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See, it's all about punishing women for having sex.
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#82 MrGeezer
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If she made a "mistake", she shouldn't get one because she knew full well she could've prevented it.

Lilyanne46

In the post immediately after the one I'm now quoting, you said that abortions for rape victims should be allowed because the mother could die.

Does this somehow NOT apply for women whose pregnancies were the result of consentual sex?

This applies with rape, but it also applies with pretty much EVERY woman. If the woman who got raped is allowed to murder an innocent baby because of the self-defense argument, then how does that NOT also apply for pretty much every woman who has ever considered getting an abortion?

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#83 Asthma_Is_Sexy
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[QUOTE="Asthma_Is_Sexy"][QUOTE="Lilyanne46"]

It depends on the reason.

If she made a "mistake", she shouldn't get one because she knew full well she could've prevented it.

If she was raped, she should have the choice to, because she had no control over it, and couldn't prevent it herself.

Lilyanne46

See, it's all about punishing women for having sex.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying this only if she complains and asks "Why me?". She knows what she did. It's just my opinion. Flame me, I could care less if you did.

You are saying that. You're saying that women who didn't have a choice in the matter are the ones who should have the option.
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#85 _en1gma_
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meh her choice... as long as she knows she is killing a person, and can live wit it....yarou1000
A person has consciousness and experiences. A fetus does not have any of those. A woman makes enough eggs and men make more than enough sperm for her to create another life when she wants to.

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#86 smc91352
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[QUOTE="Asthma_Is_Sexy"][QUOTE="Lilyanne46"]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying this only if she complains and asks "Why me?". She knows what she did. It's just my opinion. Flame me, I could care less if you did.

Lilyanne46

You are saying that. You're saying that women who didn't have a choice in the matter are the ones who should have the option.

Because they didn't know they were going to be raped, and it's not their fault like I said. :? But you don't get my point, and I can't get it simple enough. :|

But if 1 person can get an abortion, why not all women?

I don't understand the gray area.

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#87 poptart
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My ex had an abortion many years ago, as have many of my other friends over the years. Some have been a little more considered in their decision making process as we've grown older, but ultimately its been regarded as an inconvenient procedure in the stirrups followed by a heavy period – that's all.

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#89 perphekt
Member since 2009 • 1096 Posts
Nothing needs to be done to the individual, i'm not for abortion at all... however, i dont feel that they should be punished. I think the fact they got an abortion is punishment enough.
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#90 binpink
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I don't understand how someone can even want to take these kind of choices away from other people. How someone could look at me, a woman, and say:

"I think one way and I'm so sure that I'm right and smarter than you that I'm going to force you to handle your body however I see fit. I'm going to make it illegal for you to control your own body. Nevermind that your life, situation, bills, and issues aren't mine and have nothing to do with me, nor will they ever, and nevermind the fact that I won't give one crap about you or any of your children after they're born. And I sure won't. I won't be a part of their lives or yours and I won't contribute any emotional, mental or financial support. You should just have every single baby you ever get pregnant with no matter how it was conceived and how you feel, because I say so. Because my morals are better than yours and I care so much about "life" that I'll make it illegal for you to stop any chance of it. Oh but I only care about that life for approximately 9 months. It's not valuable enough for me to be involved with afterwards. Your own life isn't important either...funny how that works. The baby's more important than you, an adult female. I'm completely willing to see your emotional and mental health sacrificed for the sake of some baby I won't ever deal with. And as long as my morals and my government can control the uterus and therefore life of every woman in the country, I can sleep at night."

I'll pass. And if abortion is criminalized, I'm leaving. I'm going to work my whole life, pay taxes and everything else, to support a country and goverment that will treat me like I don't deserve to make my own choices and I'm too stupid to be trusted with my own body? Don't think so.

I seriously hope this rant is over.

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#91 synyster-666
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meh her choice... as long as she knows she is killing a person, and can live wit it....yarou1000
This.
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#93 Mr_Leonis
Member since 2007 • 4615 Posts

I think the mother and father should have a discussion about before anything happens. If it turns to be a crime and she commits it than hey.... but if not, the parents should definitely speak to each other about it.