Forbes Releases 2013 Top College Rankings. California Schools take 1 and 2.

Sadly, most degrees are worthless no matter what school you attend. Spellingiscool

:lol: .. More like most degrees are worthless if you're lazy with no motivation. I personally know many art and philosophy majors become extremly successful... more so than some of my engineer friends.

Harvard is at #8.

trololololol

[QUOTE="Spellingiscool"]Sadly, most degrees are worthless no matter what school you attend. The_Lipscomb

:lol: .. More like most degrees are worthless if you're lazy with no motivation. I personally know many art and philosophy majors become extremly successful... more so than some of my engineer friends.

University of Tennessee #282 we dont care about no damn education! only college football saturdays on the banks of the Tennessee river!

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

My alma mater didn't make it. :(

heeweesRus

University of Wisconsin Eau Claire. It's a smaller school. It suited me just fine. Had a job a few months before I even graduated. Also had an internship and plenty of opportunities. Can't be all that bad.

Of course #1 is Stanford :cool:

#168, not too shabby.

Too bad I semi dropped out though.

Sadly, most degrees are worthless no matter what school you attend. Spellingiscool

The battle cry of the unsuccessful right here.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Here are the QS rankings for comparison: http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2012

coolbeans90

This is a much better list.

I'm not sure I agree with that.  I mean I don't know a lot about many international University's, but NYU's ranking on that list is strangely high (not that they're a bad school by any measn) for what their academics are.  The list seems to cater to urban schools in world cities.

Yeah, those ranking are meh.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]I prefer the US News rankingscoolbeans90

This would also be better.

USNWR does not rank Universities and LACs together like Forbes does, so I think Forbes list is of value if for that reason alone.  On USNWR schools like Duke, Northwestern, Harvard etc. are not competing against the likes of Williams, Bowdoin, Amherst etc since they're ranked separately.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Here are the QS rankings for comparison: http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2012

TacticalDesire

This is a much better list.

I'm not sure I agree with that.  I mean I don't know a lot about many international University's, but NYU's ranking on that list is strangely high (not that they're a bad school by any measn) for what their academics are.  The list seems to cater to urban schools in world cities.

Maybe, maybe not, but MIT was on top, which seems appropriate if academics are of concern.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

This is a much better list.

coolbeans90

I'm not sure I agree with that.  I mean I don't know a lot about many international University's, but NYU's ranking on that list is strangely high (not that they're a bad school by any measn) for what their academics are.  The list seems to cater to urban schools in world cities.

Maybe, maybe not, but MIT was on top, which seems appropriate if academics are of concern.

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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

I'm not sure I agree with that. I mean I don't know a lot about many international University's, but NYU's ranking on that list is strangely high (not that they're a bad school by any measn) for what their academics are. The list seems to cater to urban schools in world cities.

chessmaster1989

Maybe, maybe not, but MIT was on top, which seems appropriate if academics are of concern.

I disagree. Academics are always a concern for great schools, but academic skills are not what breeds 'great' people, leaders.

MIT may be composed of genius's/superior academics but not of people who stand out among those within a group. Great schools like Princeton, Harvard, Yale or Stanford choose those who are whip smart (and great academics) and who lead groups. Those who stand out among the crowd. Most leaders of substantial companies come from either 1 of those 4 schools. MIT is a school which holds the researchers, not the leaders.

Cali wins again! Take that, rest of the country!Allicrombie

yup.  I love being Californian.

[QUOTE="Allicrombie"]Cali wins again! Take that, rest of the country!mrbojangles25

yup.  I love being Californian.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Maybe, maybe not, but MIT was on top, which seems appropriate if academics are of concern.

EagleEyedOne

I disagree. Academics are always a concern for great schools, but academic skills are not what breeds 'great' people, leaders.

MIT may be composed of genius's/superior academics but not of people who stand out among those within a group. Great schools like Princeton, Harvard, Yale or Stanford choose those who are whip smart (and great academics) and who lead groups. Those who stand out among the crowd. Most leaders of substantial companies come from either 1 of those 4 schools. MIT is a school which holds the researchers, not the leaders.

Traits you describe aren't those that make a school good - just personal characteristics of people who at one point went there, distinct from the schools as those aren't by any means leadership training grounds.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] ^ A list without MIT in the top 5 is basically wrong.coolbeans90

I disagree. Academics are always a concern for great schools, but academic skills are not what breeds 'great' people, leaders.

MIT may be composed of genius's/superior academics but not of people who stand out among those within a group. Great schools like Princeton, Harvard, Yale or Stanford choose those who are whip smart (and great academics) and who lead groups. Those who stand out among the crowd. Most leaders of substantial companies come from either 1 of those 4 schools. MIT is a school which holds the researchers, not the leaders.

Traits you describe aren't those that make a school good - just personal characteristics of people who at one point went there, distinct from the schools as those aren't by any means leadership training grounds.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"]

I disagree. Academics are always a concern for great schools, but academic skills are not what breeds 'great' people, leaders.

 

MIT may be composed of genius's/superior academics but not of people who stand out among those within a group. Great schools like Princeton, Harvard, Yale or Stanford choose those who are whip smart (and great academics) and who lead groups. Those who stand out among the crowd. Most leaders of substantial companies come from either 1 of those 4 schools. MIT is a school which holds the researchers, not the leaders.

EagleEyedOne

Traits you describe aren't those that make a school good - just personal characteristics of people who at one point went there, distinct from the schools as those aren't by any means leadership training grounds.

Yes, now read the post you just responded to.

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Traits you describe aren't those that make a school good - just personal characteristics of people who at one point went there, distinct from the schools as those aren't by any means leadership training grounds.

coolbeans90

Yes, now read the post you just responded to.

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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] Just google the CEO of most any company. They either went to Princeton, Yale, Harvard, or Stanford. Not MIT.EagleEyedOne

Yes, now read the post you just responded to.

No, the best leaders tend to pick those schools. This is very simple.

Edit: Moreover, your particular point could be narrowed down to an emphasis in a single field of study.

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Yes, now read the post you just responded to.

coolbeans90

No, the best leaders tend to pick those schools. This is very simple.

Edit: Moreover, your particular point could be narrowed down to a single field of study.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] Those schools seem to choose the best leaders.EagleEyedOne

No, the best leaders tend to pick those schools. This is very simple.

Edit: Moreover, your particular point could be narrowed down to a single field of study.

Yes, and that there a select few people (most people aren't CEO's and that is why MIT's average salary is still ranked above all the Ivies) that happen to be considerably better than most students in one aspect in the workforce has very limited implications as to improving their standing as a good school - while having superior academics dwarfs it by comparison. Like I said, this is very simple.

Business programs (finance and econ as well) at these schools tend to be really top-notch (which, along with prestige, attracts high caliber students in this field), and then there's the fact that a whole lot of these guys have Ivy MBAs, etc. Leaders aren't equally concentrated in all disciplines.

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

No, the best leaders tend to pick those schools. This is very simple.

Edit: Moreover, your particular point could be narrowed down to a single field of study.

coolbeans90

Yes, and that there a select few people (most people aren't CEO's and that is why MIT's average salary is still ranked above all the Ivies) that happen to be considerably better than most students in one aspect in the workforce has very limited implications as to improving their standing as a good school - while having superior academics dwarfs it by comparison. Like I said, this is very simple.

Business programs (finance and econ as well) at these schools tend to be really top-notch (which, along with prestige, attracts high caliber students in this field), and then there's the fact that a whole lot of these guys have Ivy MBAs, etc. Leaders aren't equally concentrated in all disciplines.

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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] Either way, leaders tend to go to those schools rather than MIT. What field of study would that be?EagleEyedOne

Yes, and that there a select few people (most people aren't CEO's and that is why MIT's average salary is still ranked above all the Ivies) that happen to be considerably better than most students in one aspect in the workforce has very limited implications as to improving their standing as a good school - while having superior academics dwarfs it by comparison. Like I said, this is very simple.

Business programs (finance and econ as well) at these schools tend to be really top-notch (which, along with prestige, attracts high caliber students in this field), and then there's the fact that a whole lot of these guys have Ivy MBAs, etc. Leaders aren't equally concentrated in all disciplines.

and look where that got us

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Yes, and that there a select few people (most people aren't CEO's and that is why MIT's average salary is still ranked above all the Ivies) that happen to be considerably better than most students in one aspect in the workforce has very limited implications as to improving their standing as a good school - while having superior academics dwarfs it by comparison. Like I said, this is very simple.

Business programs (finance and econ as well) at these schools tend to be really top-notch (which, along with prestige, attracts high caliber students in this field), and then there's the fact that a whole lot of these guys have Ivy MBAs, etc. Leaders aren't equally concentrated in all disciplines.

lostrib

and look where that got us

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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] I get what you are saying but it still doesn't take away from the fact that the leaders of America (or the world) go to Ivy League Schools rather than MIT.Ace6301

and look where that got us

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

and look where that got us

EagleEyedOne

Here are the QS rankings for comparison: http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2012

Aljosa23

Only looked through Top 200 and Michigan is not on the list. Found that odd. Might have missed it though.

Anyways, the program matters more than the school usually.

Cali wins again! Take that, rest of the country!Allicrombie

my school is probably somewhere in the 900's lol

(edit: it's somewhere in the mid 500's)

All I was looking at were those prices.helwa1988

[QUOTE="helwa1988"] Those huge endowments are truly put to use.waitaseck

...If you know what I mean  :D

Only looked through Top 200 and Michigan is not on the list. Found that odd. Might have missed it though.

Anyways, the program matters more than the school usually.

SpartanMSU

Michigan was number 30 I believe.  Which is probably the appropriate general placing for them.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

This is a much better list.

coolbeans90

I'm not sure I agree with that.  I mean I don't know a lot about many international University's, but NYU's ranking on that list is strangely high (not that they're a bad school by any measn) for what their academics are.  The list seems to cater to urban schools in world cities.

Maybe, maybe not, but MIT was on top, which seems appropriate if academics are of concern.

Keep in mind this list is only ranking by undergrad, and not grad school where rankings are often broken down more by program.  Not that you're not free to criticize, I just feel that's worth pointing out.  

Again, this could just be my bias, but there is a good amount of evidence to support this.  For undergrad if you're really concerned about academics, you're probably better off going to an elite LAC rather than an Ivy or MIT, simply because you still get the connections, and top-notch professors, except that the professors are actually concerned about the students instead of their research or grad students.

There was a Berkely law school report that came out a number of years ago ranking the most rigorous or "grade deflation" schools for undergrads, and most of the top 5-10 were LACs, not Ivies, or MIT. 

That is probably a big reason why Pomona is number 2 on this list.

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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

I'm not sure I agree with that.  I mean I don't know a lot about many international University's, but NYU's ranking on that list is strangely high (not that they're a bad school by any measn) for what their academics are.  The list seems to cater to urban schools in world cities.

TacticalDesire

Maybe, maybe not, but MIT was on top, which seems appropriate if academics are of concern.

Keep in mind this list is only ranking by undergrad, and not grad school where rankings are often broken down more by program.  Not that you're not free to criticize I just feel that's worth pointing out.  

Again, this could just be my bias, but there is a good amount of evidence to support this.  For undergrad if you're really concerned about academics, you're probably better off going to an elite LAC rather than an Ivy or MIT, simply because you still get the connections, and top-notch professors, except that the professors are actually concerned about the students instead of their research or grad students.

That is probably a big reason why Pomona is number 2 on this list.

Would def. take MIT over those for undergrad, easily, and the list in the OP cites ratemyprofessors, so . . .

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Maybe, maybe not, but MIT was on top, which seems appropriate if academics are of concern.

coolbeans90

Keep in mind this list is only ranking by undergrad, and not grad school where rankings are often broken down more by program.  Not that you're not free to criticize I just feel that's worth pointing out.  

Again, this could just be my bias, but there is a good amount of evidence to support this.  For undergrad if you're really concerned about academics, you're probably better off going to an elite LAC rather than an Ivy or MIT, simply because you still get the connections, and top-notch professors, except that the professors are actually concerned about the students instead of their research or grad students.

That is probably a big reason why Pomona is number 2 on this list.

Would def. take MIT over those for undergrad, easily, and the list in the OP cites ratemyprofessors, so . . .

Yeah, but most school's profs generally have similar overall ratings on ratemyprofessor anyway so it really becomes mostly irrelevant.