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The government refuses to pass a law declaring a minimum age for marriage because Sharia law does not give a minimum.
This is the problem with theocracy; nothing else can even be considered for any reason except religious law.
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The government refuses to pass a law declaring a minimum age for marriage because Sharia law does not give a minimum.
This is the problem with theocracy; nothing else can even be considered for any reason except religious law.
its their custom.
also, how did she die...was it because she was 12? Or was it from poor medicine? Or just odd circumstances? The media can spin this a million different ways, they just decided to put "12 year old" and "died during childbirth" together so we make potentially faulty conclusions
I admit I find it near-barbaric, but its not my place to say anything.
Well, I would normally post my feelings, but this guy summed it up pretty well.its their custom.
also, how did she die...was it because she was 12? Or was it from poor medicine? Or just odd circumstances? The media can spin this a million different ways, they just decided to put "12 year old" and "died during childbirth" together so we make potentially faulty conclusions
I admit I find it near-barbaric, but its not my place to say anything.
mrbojangles25
how did she die.mrbojangles25From the lack of medical care -- as reported in the link. Even if she survived, how is this even remotely acceptable? 12 year old girl with a 24 year old man? My god.
What is the average age people live up to in these countries? I know for a fact that during the times of Jesus that 12 year old girls were regularily having children because the livign situatiosn weren't anywhere near what they are today and the mother needed to be given enough time to raise the child before dieing at the age of about 30.
This is why I am glad I live in a place where the state and the church are separate entities.
Espada12
Agreed...
Well during puberty for girls, their hips widen to allow them to pass a baby. My guess is her hips broke and she bled to death because her body was too small, narrow, and boylike to pass a child.its their custom.
also, how did she die...was it because she was 12? Or was it from poor medicine? Or just odd circumstances? The media can spin this a million different ways, they just decided to put "12 year old" and "died during childbirth" together so we make potentially faulty conclusions
I admit I find it near-barbaric, but its not my place to say anything.
mrbojangles25
A lot of people here were born/raised into believing that stuff like this is 'wrong' so I understand where they're coming from.. But same goes for people over in the location, you can't just say something their doing over there is 'wrong' because it's a taboo in modern western culture, they would find us having age restrictions just as 'wrong'.
A lot of people here were born/raised into believing that stuff like this is 'wrong' so I understand where they're coming from.. But same goes for people over in the location, you can't just say something their doing over there is 'wrong' because it's a taboo in modern western culture, they would find us having age restrictions just as 'wrong'.
Yandere
Its not just a 'taboo' in western societies for no reason, there are far reaching medical reasons why a girl of 12 should not be forced to have sex and become pregnant. Its not a belief, physiologically, a girls body at that age is still developing into an adult. Its just beginning to make the change, its just wrong and you can't just say its their culture lol, thats such a cop out.
Not exactly. Back in the times when marriage and child bearing was the norm for 12-13 years olds in western society, there was also an enormous amount of death amongst women during childbirth, as seen here. Whilst we do have far better medical facilities, we're also living longer which in turn showed us that child bearing ideally shouldn't be done before or during puberty.A lot of people here were born/raised into believing that stuff like this is 'wrong' so I understand where they're coming from.. But same goes for people over in the location, you can't just say something their doing over there is 'wrong' because it's a taboo in modern western culture, they would find us having age restrictions just as 'wrong'.
Yandere
I know you all like to be "Politically correct", but I think we can all agree that Sharia law NEEDS to be abolished.Head_of_gamesAny kind of state run by religious law needs to go. Even the states says its secular in writing, in practice, not so much.
You guys seem to neglect the fact that Yemen isn't very educated. So these things are not uncommon. Granted, early marriage is allowed in Sharia. But these people neglected the Islamic conditioning of marriage: 1. The marrying couple must be physically and psychologically mature. 2. There has to be equal consent between the two people. Judaism has a similar law, where marriage is allowed at the age of 12-13 years old.
I know you all like to be "Politically correct", but I think we can all agree that Sharia law NEEDS to be abolished.Head_of_games
This has nothing to do with Sharia.
[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]I know you all like to be "Politically correct", but I think we can all agree that Sharia law NEEDS to be abolished.ghoklebutter
This has nothing to do with Sharia.
Ok, let's say for a moment that it doesn't. I still think Sharia had to go. No religion should one with the government. There are plenty of other atrocities acceptable under total muslim rule. What about the lack of womens rights and things like "Honor killing"? When taken literally, Islam becomes a deadly religion.[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"]I know you all like to be "Politically correct", but I think we can all agree that Sharia law NEEDS to be abolished.Head_of_games
This has nothing to do with Sharia.
Ok, let's say for a moment that it doesn't. I still think Sharia had to go. No religion should one with the government. There are plenty of other atrocities acceptable under total muslim rule. What about the lack of womens rights and things like "Honor killing"? When taken literally, Islam becomes a deadly religion.This so called "Sharia" you hear on the news is the result of the kings ruling the Middle East. Everything was good with the Ottoman ruling but then everything came crashing down. You can see through the fact that the royal families of Saudi Arabia keep all the money to themselves. Which is also why Saudi Arabians seem uneducated, because either they can't afford education or their education was poor.
Ok, let's say for a moment that it doesn't. I still think Sharia had to go. No religion should one with the government. There are plenty of other atrocities acceptable under total muslim rule. What about the lack of womens rights and things like "Honor killing"? When taken literally, Islam becomes a deadly religion.[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]
This has nothing to do with Sharia.
ghoklebutter
This so called "Sharia" you hear on the news is the result of the kings ruling the Middle East. Everything was good with the Ottoman ruling but then everything came crashing down. You can see through the fact that the royal families of Saudi Arabia keep all the money to themselves. Which is also why Saudi Arabians seem uneducated, because either they can't afford education or their education was poor.
The point is that it is RIGHT IN THE KORAN that women are not equal, you can kill those who will not convert, etc.[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"] Ok, let's say for a moment that it doesn't. I still think Sharia had to go. No religion should one with the government. There are plenty of other atrocities acceptable under total muslim rule. What about the lack of womens rights and things like "Honor killing"? When taken literally, Islam becomes a deadly religion. Head_of_games
This so called "Sharia" you hear on the news is the result of the kings ruling the Middle East. Everything was good with the Ottoman ruling but then everything came crashing down. You can see through the fact that the royal families of Saudi Arabia keep all the money to themselves. Which is also why Saudi Arabians seem uneducated, because either they can't afford education or their education was poor.
The point is that it is RIGHT IN THE KORAN that women are not equal, you can kill those who will not convert, etc. where the hell did you get that from, women are given equal status in the quran. the cultural traditions of the area are the ones who take away the equality. you're confusing the two.[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"] The point is that it is RIGHT IN THE KORAN that women are not equal, you can kill those who will not convert, etc. Head_of_gamesReally eh. I don't think any religion would tell anyone to kill someone else. Also the media has made Islam seem like its much more of an 'evil' religion then it actually is. I myself was born into a Muslim family -- but I'm not a Muslim myself. Technically speaking, if you deny "Allah" then you are not an innocent, and thus can be killed.
Well apostating is a huge sin but it shouldn't get you killed, either. As for women's equal rights, look at this verse:
For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward.(Quran, 33:35)
You guys seem to be misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that in and of itself Islam is a bad religion. All I am saying is that it is all too easy to interpret it in a manner that results in the atrocities we see associated with the religion today. I'm positive that none of you here are going to send your kids to go blow themselves up, force women to cover their faces, or behead any who you can't convert. But whenever the majority of a country is muslim, that seems to always be what happens. Head_of_gamesThe media shows you what they want to show you. What the media shows of Muslim countries are the rednecks of the Muslim world. It isn't a true representation, not one bit.
You guys seem to be misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that in and of itself Islam is a bad religion. All I am saying is that it is all too easy to interpret it in a manner that results in the atrocities we see associated with the religion today. I'm positive that none of you here are going to send your kids to go blow themselves up, force women to cover their faces, or behead any who you can't convert. But whenever the majority of a country is muslim, that seems to always be what happens.Head_of_games
You pointed out something most Muslims are too blind too see. We "modern" Muslimsdon't know how to run a country. There are many reasons why though.
The point is that it is RIGHT IN THE KORAN that women are not equal, you can kill those who will not convert, etc. Head_of_games
This so wrong, you should be ashamed of yourself for telling such lies. In the Qur'an, it is written in black and white that women ARE equal in the eyes of God. Also, it is written that the killing of innocent people is forbidden.
I really can't comprehend how some people can just tell an outright LIE, its disgusting and you should sort yourself out. Maybe you were just unaware, and in that case you need to educate yourself.
[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]You guys seem to be misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that in and of itself Islam is a bad religion. All I am saying is that it is all too easy to interpret it in a manner that results in the atrocities we see associated with the religion today. I'm positive that none of you here are going to send your kids to go blow themselves up, force women to cover their faces, or behead any who you can't convert. But whenever the majority of a country is muslim, that seems to always be what happens. HaziqonfireThe media shows you what they want to show you. What the media shows of Muslim countries are the rednecks of the Muslim world. It isn't a true representation, not one bit.
Completely agree with you. This is why I boycott mainstream media.
Man, Pedophiles at their worst. th3warr1orIf she got pregnant it's quite obvious the guy wasn't a paedophile...
The United States doesn't give a crap about helping people.. Don't buy into the crap of "setting the peopel free in Iraq".. One of our closest allies in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, is one of the most conserative extremist governments out there..Horrible. I know that some might argue that we have no right to meddle with the affairs of other countries, but we should seriously step in and do something about the law in those parts of the world.
bangell99
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